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Poll: Is there ever a time when violent protests are justified?
A Daily Poll ^ | June 18, 2009 | Dave Miller (tenger)

Posted on 06/17/2009 10:04:53 PM PDT by tenger

Poll: Is there ever a time when violent protests are justified? A Daily Poll.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: iran; iranviolence2009; protest; violent

1 posted on 06/17/2009 10:04:54 PM PDT by tenger
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To: tenger

Duh.


2 posted on 06/17/2009 10:08:00 PM PDT by exist
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To: tenger

Yes, in order to preserve our liberties


3 posted on 06/17/2009 10:11:31 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: tenger

Depends: is the left in charge or the right?

It would make a difference to the libs you’re asking...


4 posted on 06/17/2009 10:20:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Tzimisce

Yes, but only as part of a freedom movement and in response to tyranny.


5 posted on 06/17/2009 10:23:15 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

TICK TICK TICK............BOOM!


6 posted on 06/17/2009 10:40:24 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: tenger

No. “Protests” should be nonviolent.

Violence comes when all else has failed. It comes when there is no other reasonable choice. It comes when a free People have been forced to be to become slaves, when their country and way of life and treasure has been plucked from their callused hands.

Violence comes when you back a man into a corner and he sees no other way to survive.

Violence comes to you, if you don’t stand up to it’s threat.

Violence comes, it always has and always will.

But “protests”, no. Of course, protests can become the precursor to violence.

I feel the wind of a perfect storm.......


7 posted on 06/17/2009 10:41:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: tenger

Sure. We’ll get the right permits from the police, make sure the media is notified, show off the guns and our faces on facebook, get the FBI alerted to which twitter feed we’ll be using to coordinate things, get the merchants to post signs as to whether they are white-owned or not, put flags on our cars, drive around shooting in the air for a while, and get some radical fundamentalist preacher to shout at us for several hours on how we deserve everything we are going to take for free because of something someone did to us six generations ago. Then we are going to go out with our cameras and catch the whole thing on video feeds from six hundred different viewpoints and post them all to youtube.


8 posted on 06/17/2009 10:42:07 PM PDT by Sundog (Try and find me one issue that Obama has handled rightly.)
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To: tenger

If some government bureaucrat tried to implant a chip in my body, I would get violent, I think.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 10:51:57 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: tenger

I believe that folks . . .

in this era . . .

in the context of OThuga being . . . where he is . . .

need to prayerfully consider whether responding to this poll is the wisest thing to do, or not.

It will virtually certainly mean . . . that one is . . .


10 posted on 06/17/2009 10:53:33 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gator113
It comes when a free People have been forced to be to become slaves, when their country and way of life and treasure has been plucked from their callused hands.

Interesting article I stumbled across while checking stuff on slavery (as you mentioned.)

Historically, the definition of a free person is a person who owns his own labor. Serfs were not free, because they owed their feudal lords, the government of that time, a maximum of one-third of their labor. Nineteenth century slaves were not free, because their owners could expropriate 50% of their labor.

Today, no American is a free person. The lowest tax rate, not counting state income, property tax and sales tax, is 15% Social Security tax and 15% federal income tax. The "free American" starts off with a 30% tax rate, the position of a medieval serf.

In medieval Europe, when tax rates reached beyond 30%, serfs rebelled and killed their masters.

VDARE ARTICLE

Even reposted on a Russian site

Anyone who doesn't see a civil war coming is wearing blinders.

11 posted on 06/17/2009 10:59:58 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: IncPen

ping


12 posted on 06/17/2009 11:18:40 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: tenger

From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


13 posted on 06/17/2009 11:24:40 PM PDT by Nova442 ("Cry Havoc and let slip the Dogs of War.")
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To: Centurion2000
I've heard Glen Beck, Judge Napolitano, and a few others say the word "Fascist", and then turn right around and discourage militia's, violence, and rebellion. I guess they feel the SCOTUS will pull our chestnuts out of the fire. If the POTUS is breaking the law, burning the Constitution, nationalizing more private companies than Hugo Chavez, and generally destroying our country and it's economy, then we are supposed to bit$h and moan and watch it all fall down. It's time to face up to the fact that between government backed bad home loans, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare, we have already racked up $100 trillion in debt that we can't get out of. Now we are adding more. Any sober person that knows anything about economic theory is sucking the business end of a .45 if we can't take the country back soon. We had our chance with Bush 43 and the Repub Congress. You saw what a mess that was. Our next chance will be a big win in Congress in 2010. If we miss that, IMHO, there will be trouble. MY predictions will be long term 10+% unemployment, hyperinflation, low food supplies, unusable interest rates, and blood in the streets. People today have no patience with such things. There won't be the "Can't we all just get along" feeling. The only way to avoid these things is to have the same type Congress we had under Newt Gingrich. The Kennedy, Pelosi, Chris Dodd, Bwarney Fwank, Kerry, idiocy of the present Congress is unafordable any longer.

What are the odds?

14 posted on 06/17/2009 11:39:25 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Nova442
From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
So? What are we waiting for?
15 posted on 06/17/2009 11:48:09 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: Centurion2000

No blinders here.


16 posted on 06/18/2009 12:00:43 AM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: Quix

My thoughts too. Who’s askin’? Whadda ya wanna know for? Nunya bidness.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 12:06:57 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

I realize that all FREEPERS are probably already on various lists.

However, I don’t think it’s wisdom to get unnecessarily on a crazier list.

The only list that really matters to me is God’s list! The Book of Life.


18 posted on 06/18/2009 12:31:16 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Centurion2000

INDEED.


19 posted on 06/18/2009 12:32:15 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
However, I don’t think it’s wisdom to get unnecessarily on a crazier list.

Agreed. I, also, think we are already on many lists for simply posting here. I don't really care about that anymore. But it seems to me that there are more and more polls and blogs and websites looking for hits only to collect IPs and opinions in order to build a case against conservatives. I see it in the kinds of vanities posted and questions asked by newer FReepers too. I sense a large increase in information gathering through leading questions as opposed to true personal interest and general conversation.

20 posted on 06/18/2009 12:42:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: tenger

A riot is an ugly thing.... and that is why we need one right now!

21 posted on 06/18/2009 12:52:06 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: tenger

A riot is an ugly thing.... and that is why we need one right now!

22 posted on 06/18/2009 12:52:06 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: tenger

Was the American Revolution a violent protest?


23 posted on 06/18/2009 2:43:10 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( Hey, remember the last head of state who dictated the design of automobiles?)
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To: tenger

Any time now!


24 posted on 06/18/2009 2:59:50 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: TigersEye; Alamo-Girl; airborne; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; backhoe; ...
However, I don’t think it’s wisdom to get unnecessarily on a crazier list.

Agreed. I, also, think we are already on many lists for simply posting here. I don't really care about that anymore. But it seems to me that there are more and more polls and blogs and websites looking for hits only to collect IPs and opinions in order to build a case against conservatives. I see it in the kinds of vanities posted and questions asked by newer FReepers too. I sense a large increase in information gathering through leading questions as opposed to true personal interest and general conversation.

INDEED. I've noticed that, too. Standard intel gathering, it seems to me . . . and perhaps then some. I hope the mods are paying extra attention to such things.

Thankfully, God is my refuge . . . regardless of the fiery furnaces involved.

Thanks for the reality check. God be with you and yours.

25 posted on 06/18/2009 7:08:08 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 06/18/2009 7:09:28 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Your post #10 was my first and IMMEDIATE thought when I looked at the thread. Thanks for the ping.


27 posted on 06/18/2009 8:10:42 AM PDT by houeto (Defang the FEDGOV. Repeal the 17th!)
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To: Quix

Good point. Too bad I already responded.


28 posted on 06/18/2009 9:18:53 AM PDT by madison10
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To: tenger

No. A violent protest is uncalled for.

When time comes for violence, ie out and out revolt, time for protest is past. Guerilla/military operations are the ONLY answer.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 9:22:05 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Quix
You know, Quix, I don't care what lists I'm on anymore.

I see MY country going over the cliff full tilt, I see my children and grandchildren being paupered by a man that has no business being in the WH, I see private companies being commandeered by the federal government, I see government spending (on all levels) outstripping ANYTHING that current level taxes can pay, I see assaults on liberties and rights occurring on a daily basis, and I don't see any way out at the moment.

Let them put me on a list.

Maybe when they come for me my stand will be what wakes the country up. At least that's my hope.

30 posted on 06/18/2009 9:29:20 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: tenger

There wasn’t a he** yes, so I just voted yes. 95 % yes when I voted.


31 posted on 06/18/2009 10:12:22 AM PDT by calex59
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To: American_Centurion
This answer, and others like it on this thread, are simply, well, wrong. A revolution is a violent protest. However, if the poll was in relation to Iran, the protesters there were mostly peaceful, and still are, until the Basij started shooting them for simply being in the street.

Answer such as yours seem to me to be an attempt at ass kissing in case some leftard is listening. Don't worry, if you are on FR, you are on their list, so you might as well tell it the way you see it, not how you think the anonymous listeners want to hear it. They don't care what you say, you are a conservative, a believer in freedom, therefore you are the enemy of the left.

32 posted on 06/18/2009 10:18:02 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

If you believe me to be an arse kisser, there is nothing I can do here to change your mind. Never the less, you are wrong.

You apparently don’t understand that once you invoke violence you will lose, UNLESS you are willing to do ANYTHING it takes to WIN. That will require full on armed rebellion and a very long, bloody war. Until there’s a whole lot more folks ready to do that, violence at a protest will only get the protestors KILLED. Make no mistake about that.


33 posted on 06/18/2009 10:33:47 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: houeto

THX THX.


34 posted on 06/18/2009 12:07:17 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: madison10

The Lord God Almighty is our ONLY REFUGE AT ALL

IN ANY CASE.

Blessings,


35 posted on 06/18/2009 12:07:44 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Just another Joe

I can certainly identify with your feelings.

I would, however, like to be viable for others . . . in behalf of helping others . . . as long as possible.


36 posted on 06/18/2009 12:08:38 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: tenger

Remember the three boxes for redress of grievances: The soap box, the ballot box and the ammo box?

Protests should be non-violent. They come from the “soap box” part of politics. There is no place for violence in them.


37 posted on 06/18/2009 12:17:04 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Sundog

Damn sundog you took the words right out of my mouth. /sarc


38 posted on 06/18/2009 5:48:00 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: tenger
At one time there was a time for violent protest but ever since the civil war all protest has been deemed sedition by the power in Washington so even if it ever came to us taking back the country the powers in Washington would see it as an act of treason. That is how Ol’Abe painted the southern patriots as treasonous dogs.
39 posted on 06/18/2009 5:57:59 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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