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Official Says National Health Delays Could Save Lives
A Semi-News/Semi-Satire from AzConservative ^ | 23 May 2009 | John Semmens

Posted on 05/27/2009 12:14:34 PM PDT by John Semmens

Health and Human Service Undersecretary Mortimer Graves cited figures on iatrogenic morbidity and mortality in rebuttal of criticism that national health care would increase delays in treatment.

“While, in theory, the extra caution and review that will accompany the President’s reform of health care could cause additional deaths and suffering, the fact is, doctor error killed nearly 100,000 people last year,” Graves said. “It seems to me that when it comes to medicine, haste makes waste. If government intervention impedes access to physicians by elongating the process, less damage will be done.”

Graves also contended that “in 90% of cases, the patient gets better without any medical intervention. So, adding more bureaucracy will allow natural healing to cure the patient without incurring either the cost or risk entailed by actually consulting a physician.”

(Excerpt) Read more at azconservative.org ...


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Humor; Politics
KEYWORDS: bureaucracy; medicine; satire; treatment

1 posted on 05/27/2009 12:14:34 PM PDT by John Semmens
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To: John Semmens

He might as well say it. He has already admitted it would rationing healthcare.


2 posted on 05/27/2009 12:16:27 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com for the love of something)
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To: John Semmens

Humans can rationalize anything.


3 posted on 05/27/2009 12:17:01 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: John Semmens
how many lives would be saved if the health care industry went away altogether?

don't laugh, it makes about as much sense.

4 posted on 05/27/2009 12:17:07 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://www.stink-eye.net)
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To: John Semmens
“While, in theory, the extra caution and review that will accompany the President’s reform of health care could cause additional deaths and suffering, the fact is, doctor error killed nearly 100,000 people last year,” Graves said. “It seems to me that when it comes to medicine, haste makes waste. If government intervention impedes access to physicians by elongating the process, less damage will be done.”

This is such utter crap on so many levels.....I don't know where to begin.

5 posted on 05/27/2009 12:19:01 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: John Semmens

Fake but accurate.

Nationalized healthcare will also reduce lawsuit abuse because you cannot sue the government.


6 posted on 05/27/2009 12:20:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Justice is blind. Sonia Sotomayor is not even qualified to sit on an IMPARTIAL jury.)
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To: John Semmens

I was getting steamed, John, until I looked up and saw your byline. Great work....

.....Bob


7 posted on 05/27/2009 12:20:33 PM PDT by Lokibob (When handed lemons...Refuse to sign for them. Life's lemons can't be delivered without a signature.)
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To: John Semmens

This actually is more true than satire.

Iatrogenic deaths (deaths by doctors/nurses - mistakes, wrong meds, errors etc) kill a conservatively figured 750,000 people a year. That figure doesn’t take into account people injured (mildly or moderately) by medical mistakes.


8 posted on 05/27/2009 12:21:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Puppage

Satire.......Good ole Semmens


9 posted on 05/27/2009 12:22:21 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: John Semmens

How would you like this meathead to be your doctor?

Good Lord, what a putz.


10 posted on 05/27/2009 12:25:05 PM PDT by RexBeach ("Do your duty in all things." Robert E. Lee)
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To: John Semmens

RATION and KILL saves lives. How exactly again?

Abortion on one end, kill granny on the other. That’s where we are headed. Once you start down the road with cheapening life with abortion, the rest just naturally falls into place. Eugenics, the NAZI super race.


11 posted on 05/27/2009 12:25:24 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Tarpon

Had to look up “iatrogenic”. Thanks for the daily snicker though.


12 posted on 05/27/2009 1:22:51 PM PDT by pnut22
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Iatrogenic deaths (deaths by doctors/nurses - mistakes, wrong meds, errors etc) kill a conservatively figured 750,000 people a year.”

That’s ridiculous unless it purports to be a global figure. If it’s restricted to US, it would imply that 1 in 3 deaths is due to iatrogenic causes. 46,000 to 98,000 are caused by medical errors (not all of them negligent) according to national Institute of Medicine. What’s the source of your claim?


13 posted on 05/27/2009 2:28:54 PM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm


14 posted on 05/27/2009 5:15:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Thanks for this compilation. I don’t have time to examine every study, but it appears there is at least some double-counting among the categories listed in the table. Starfield (2000), cited in the table, comes up with a figure of 225,000 to 280,000 deaths due to iatrogenic causes, for example, yet she is listed in the table as a source for the 199,000 “outpatient” deaths figure—a category that does not even show up in her compilation (12,000 due to unnecessary surgery, 7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 due to other hospital errors, 80,000 from nosocial infections and 106,000 from nonerror adverse effects of medicines). She gets to 280,000 by swapping the IOM figure of 98,000 deaths for her first 3 categories.

Admittedly, she only focuses on hospital and outpatient deaths, so the deaths listed for starvation and bedsores in nursing homes aren’t included. So the true figure appears to be in the 500,000 range—certainly higher than I’d previously believed, but lower than 783,000 etc.


15 posted on 05/28/2009 5:14:02 AM PDT by DrC
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