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Lewis and Clark's Amazing Air Rifle
Associated Content ^ | 4-16-09 | John Rice

Posted on 04/25/2009 12:53:59 PM PDT by 7jason

Lewis and Clark brought an airgun on the Voyage of Discovery. When this fact became widely known after World War II, while air rifle manufacturers were mass producing and marketing inexpensive models for boys throughout America, the revelation seemed profound. A pellet rifle? A BB gun on that famous expedition by Thomas Jefferson's Corps of Discovery? Well, not exactly. The airgun Lewis and Clark brought along was a powerful weapon, hardly a Daisy Red Ryder.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: airgun; bang; banglist; clark; firearms; lewis
Possibly the most important gun in American history was an air rifle.
1 posted on 04/25/2009 12:53:59 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason
Kewl!

I'll stick to my SOCOM however...

2 posted on 04/25/2009 12:59:14 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: 7jason

A good article with disassembly

http://www.beemans.net/images/Austrian%20airguns.htm


3 posted on 04/25/2009 1:00:53 PM PDT by james500
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To: EGPWS

Alas ... no SOCOMs in 1803.


4 posted on 04/25/2009 1:01:36 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason
The actual bad boy in question:


5 posted on 04/25/2009 1:04:14 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Chains you can believe in.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Also worked great as a club!


6 posted on 04/25/2009 1:09:21 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: james500
WOW !!

I never knew.

7 posted on 04/25/2009 1:09:33 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: SolidWood

Heh. It was the best gun they had on the voyage. This is the one Lewis grabbed when he thought they were under attack. It was used by the Austrian military, and was a repeater that could fire 20 rounds in a row, something no other gun of the time could do. Read the article. Very interesting stuff.


8 posted on 04/25/2009 1:16:29 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason

Repeating airguns were used by European armies centuries ago.


9 posted on 04/25/2009 1:20:56 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 7jason
More info HERE
10 posted on 04/25/2009 1:24:54 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: james500

Beat me to it! L0L


11 posted on 04/25/2009 1:25:27 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Looks like something we will have to make when the government takes our guns


12 posted on 04/25/2009 1:37:28 PM PDT by Pardeeville Liberator
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To: 7jason; All

http://www.airgunarena.com/index.php/Lewis_and_Clark_Airgun


13 posted on 04/25/2009 1:39:09 PM PDT by A. Morgan (The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher)
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To: 7jason
I attended the Eastern Primitive Rendezvous several years ago that featured this reproduction (is there another?). The demo was impressive.

The speed one could fire is exactly as described. Not quite up to semi-auto, but close to bolt or lever action in repeat shots. Don't recall that loud a report; I remember hearing the sound of the ball impacting the target making nearly as much noise as the report of the gun, and saw it flatten a lead ball (50 yds.) when starting with a full charge of air.

You can bet there was an EXTENSIVE Q&A after the demo. I think they spent something like 20K reproducing the rifle. They found while trying a range of materials for the air seal, only horn would work properly.

14 posted on 04/25/2009 1:40:31 PM PDT by TheBlackFeather
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To: fso301

Well dunno about the rest of Europe, but for sure by the Austrians around the time of Napoleon.


15 posted on 04/25/2009 1:42:41 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason

My first realization that an air-gun could do more than “put your eye out” was reading the collected Sherlock Holmes mysteries.

Someone took a pot shot at the great detective with an air-gun, a very powerful and deadly weapon evidently.

It’s sort of mind boggling to realize such weapons had been around for nearly 100 years, when Moriarty tasked his henchman to murder Holmes.


16 posted on 04/25/2009 1:46:09 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: TheBlackFeather
I attended the Eastern Primitive Rendezvous several years ago that featured this reproduction (is there another?).

The Beeman disassembly article noted that the reproduction being made for the Beeman family was reproduction #4.
I would assume this means there are at least 4 working models out in the world.

17 posted on 04/25/2009 1:49:52 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: 7jason

Slick!


18 posted on 04/25/2009 1:51:34 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: TheBlackFeather

There’s a couple of custom big bore airgun makers out there, but I think their waiting lists are a year or more. The Dragon Slayer, from Korea, is a .50 caliber model available for well under $1,000.

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/career-dragon-slayer-50-caliber-air-rifle.shtml


19 posted on 04/25/2009 2:01:06 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason
Well dunno about the rest of Europe, but for sure by the Austrians around the time of Napoleon.

I'm pretty certain the Swiss Army used them as well.

20 posted on 04/25/2009 2:07:12 PM PDT by fso301
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To: 7jason; All
Actually when Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo there were snipers on the British side using air rifles and it irritated Napoleon to no end. They were used for quite extensively as sniper rifles in that time periond, although they were not as quiet as you might think, simply get a modern .177 or .22 air rifle and fire it, it makes quite a loud sound.

The advantage over the black powder muzzle loaders of the day was lack of smoke, and they were not as loud as a black powder gun, simply not as quiet as a silenced weapon would be.

Large caliber air rifles are for sale today and there are people who use them. They are a pain to charge however.

21 posted on 04/25/2009 2:14:54 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

dewey lambdin’s character, british naval officer alan lewrie, has one.


22 posted on 04/25/2009 2:26:48 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (NO I WON'T)
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To: calex59
Actually when Wellington defeated Napoleon at Waterloo there were snipers on the British side using air rifles and it irritated Napoleon to no end.

Were the snipers in question Austrian mercenaries?

23 posted on 04/25/2009 2:30:10 PM PDT by 7jason
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To: Pardeeville Liberator

They may take yours, but they ain’t gettin mine....at least not without a fight.


24 posted on 04/25/2009 2:51:36 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: 7jason

Before the voyage of discovery they tried out the air gun and almost hit a woman in the head. the ball went through her hat. The Indians they met were very impressed with the air gun.


25 posted on 04/25/2009 3:31:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: Drammach
That's more than I would have expected... During the Q&A it was mentioned the one present had been built from the original plans, obtained with the help of a resident from the Italian village where the builder worked in 1700s. It confused me when one was reported to have been re-created from a tear-down of the original Lewis & Clark gun.

Apparently the Italians wouldn't respond to the request for the plans, until someone from that village, now in America, called up and said 'What's the trouble with this?'. They got the plans, and built the reproduction.

26 posted on 04/25/2009 3:45:18 PM PDT by TheBlackFeather
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To: 7jason

http://www.bigborebob.com/bobspics/a.jpg

50 cal version


27 posted on 04/25/2009 6:08:20 PM PDT by freedom9 (Is the lawgiver bound by the law?)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Quick question. What would an air gun need a hammer?


28 posted on 04/25/2009 6:21:15 PM PDT by panaxanax (Reward paid for any Harvard Yearbook with pictures of 0bama in it.)
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To: 7jason

Fascinating! Thanks for the post.


29 posted on 04/25/2009 6:33:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: 7jason
Were the snipers in question Austrian mercenaries?

Can't recall, if fact I am not sure I ever knew exactly what unit(s) were snipers. I do know that some armies used air rifles quite extensively for regular use, not just for snipers. They were repeaters, but took a long time to charge up, they had wagons loaded with extra, I want to say cylinders, magazines is as good a word as any, that would follow along behind the troops so they could reload quickly. Charging from dead empty took quite a long time.

I know the Lewis and Clark gun could fire about 20 rounds and I think the modern equivalent does also, but each shot has a slightly lower velocity than the previous round fired, a slight draw back when you consider the gain in fire power over a muzzle loader.

30 posted on 04/25/2009 6:39:45 PM PDT by calex59
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To: panaxanax
Quick question. What would an air gun need a hammer?

My first thought. I believe it functions as a back-up musket when the air pressure is gone.

31 posted on 04/25/2009 6:41:07 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Chains you can believe in.)
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To: 7jason

cool!


32 posted on 04/25/2009 7:09:21 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: FormerACLUmember; panaxanax
Quick question. What would an air gun need a hammer?

Just as with a modern air rifle the trigger requires cocking.

33 posted on 04/25/2009 7:18:16 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Pardeeville Liberator

Partisans used them against the Nazis, so you may be onto something!


34 posted on 04/25/2009 7:44:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
Quick question. What would an air gun need a hammer?

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My first thought. I believe it functions as a back-up musket when the air pressure is gone.

No, there's no flintlock-type pan and frizzen, or anything resembling a nipple which could hold a percussion cap. The hammer is just used for cocking the valve mechanism:


35 posted on 04/25/2009 9:18:28 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel

Early 1800’s High Tech.


36 posted on 04/25/2009 9:35:46 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Chains you can believe in.)
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To: 7jason

Good article, thanks. I have a few Beeman air rifles, and they’re great little guns. Interesting that Mr. Beeman unknowingly wound up with Lewis’ gun.


37 posted on 04/26/2009 6:29:58 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: publiusF27
Interesting that Mr. Beeman unknowingly wound up with Lewis’ gun.

I found it interesting that for so many years the good doctor was convinced, as were others, that his rifle was not Lewis'. Then the evidence just kept coming in until it became irrefutable.

38 posted on 04/26/2009 6:39:45 AM PDT by 7jason
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To: 7jason

Interesting, thanks.


39 posted on 04/26/2009 6:45:09 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: MHGinTN

With to days technology we should be able to build a very powerful and effective weapon.


40 posted on 04/26/2009 7:16:06 AM PDT by Pardeeville Liberator
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To: MHGinTN

With to days technology we should be able to build a very powerful and effective weapon.


41 posted on 04/26/2009 7:27:30 AM PDT by Pardeeville Liberator
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To: Pardeeville Liberator

We have, I used one for a couple of days installing my new pre-finished hardwood flooring where I couldn’t swing the nailing hammer.


42 posted on 04/26/2009 8:30:18 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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