Posted on 03/08/2009 4:01:28 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
Many people ABC-7 talked to in Juarez believe if the military does indeed take over the police department, which we refer to as “martial law” in the U.S., the calm will end and the attacks will increase to a whole new level.
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And so it begins.
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Before everyone has a heart attack, this story was floated late last night in a chat thread. The only reference to “martial law” is one news reporter glibly making the comparison for a local television affiliate. Also a search on google news shows no recent stories explicitly stating a declaration of martial law in Mexico.
‘Bout friggin’ time. Juarez was turning into Bogota on the Rio Grande.
They need to take contol of the entire border and wait for the drug runners to come to them. the cartels aren’t in northern mexico because they like the weather, they’re there because the border is swiss cheese and neither the US nor Mexico is making any significant moves to control it.
Is this really bad? Maybe the Mexican military can guard their own border.
Horse hockey. Many of the police are corrupt. The drug people will disappear like Al Qaeda and lay low until the heat’s off.
FWIW, Geraldo was in Juarez and said that it was indeed under martial law.
Really. Headline is definitely misleading.
What the hell took them so long???
Better question, what prompted this action? Certainly the violence and corruption didn’t prompt it. Otherwise this would have been done a long time ago. Who are they trying to impress, and why?
Maybe the military leaders aren’t getting their “fair share” of the pie!
> Is this really bad? Maybe the Mexican military can guard their own border.
I’ve heard our SecDef wants to “intervene”. Geez, let the mexicans deal with their own problems, I agree.
Perhaps not. Perhaps Mexico has no legal definition of “martial law” as does the United States.
Here’s the Wikipedia definition, which seems reasonably accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law
“Martial law is the system of rules that takes effect when the military takes control of the normal administration of justice.”
One could argue that is precisely what is now happening in Ciudad Juarz. They just don’t call it that.
Where are the idiots who have been crowing about how drug crimes aren’t real crimes because they do nothing bad to the public?
When its all said and done, drug cartels are potential Al Qaida’s without the religious dogma and should be handled as Terror Organizations.
-———Headline is definitely misleading.-—————
Are you sure about that? The reporter seemed to be trying to make it clear that “what we in america would call martial law” as if that’s not what it is called down in mexico.
There are a few other stories contained at post 1. Al-Reuters is reporting that “Mexico army to take over policing in drug-hit city”.
Instead of searching for mexico martial law, search for juarez military
Geraldo Rivera did a special on Fox News last night when this story was first posted about drug/gang violence along the Mexican border and the law enforcement efforts there. He can say what he wants, but he’s not an official spokesperson of the Mexican government.
-——————One could argue that is precisely what is now happening in Ciudad Juarz. They just don’t call it that.——————
Thanks ABB, I was just thinking the same thing.
The reason for the lack of border control is probably the politicians at all levels and on both sides are making too much money as things now are.
I agree 110%.
See Post 11.
Why bother, the Military is probably as corrupt as the cops.
/mark
it’s not the drugs, it’s the fact that they’re illegal. If the government prohibited the sale of apples, you’d have violent gangs smuggling apples into this country. Decriminalize this stuff and the violence associated with the black market would disappear overnight. Are drugs a good thing? Of course not. But the drug war is not stopping a single addict from getting high anyway. Time to try another approach.
Isn’t this over marijuana? How has the drug war helped the US? It seems things are worse everywhere because of our corruption.
I guess you're right, we should have read more carefully. That being said, if the military does take over the PD, it doesn't really matter what they call it, it would be real martial law... or alternately it could just be consolidation of power by the king-pins.
Read about Columbia in the 1980s-1990s. Every major presidential candidata killed in one election cycle, half the Supreme Court killed, bombs in markets daily, airliners exploding, judges & mayors & governors & congress extorted, the most wanted men in the world walking around openly & freely. If anything 1/4 as bad as that happens on our large & open southern border, we'll have some real problems.
Semantics, I suppose, but what we would call martial law is business as usual in third world countries.
in fact, it’s rogue elements of the military (who we helped train) that provide the muscle for the drug cartels. Google “Los Zetas.” That said, the Mexican government has to try something or risk the country collapsing around them. Maybe this will work. Probably not though.
La ley marcial es la imposición del estado militar, en el cual todos los civiles se convierten en militares, sometidos a las leyes propias del estatuto militar.
Yeah, but who or which are the good guys? Does anyone really know?
Really! Where are the usual-suspect liberal-tarians on this thread? Can’t they put down the bong long enough to express their support for the drug gangs they’ve been supporting all this time?
In fact, one of the biggest impediments to Mexico ever becoming a viable country is the widespread corruption ... from the highest politician to the neighborhood cop.
How can you reform a country that has thrown ethics completely out the window!
I think we need to change the “War on Drugs”..... It has been a disaster imho...
You are correct in that it may not be martial law as we know it but when you pour a few thousand troops into a city to help control the situation martial law is in effect what you have. jmo.
http://www.star-telegram.com/state_news/story/1245213.html
Yes, military dictatorships (Cuba, Venezuela) are ruled via de facto martial law. But we must observe that words mean things. And some words or terms are more 'hot' than others. "Martial Law" is such a term.
Federal police arrive to patrol Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, last week as part of a government effort to free Mexican citizens from a daily spectacle of assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings ordered by rival drug czars. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/MIGUEL TOVAR
We need a UN Resolution condemning the drug cartels, and maybe another one condemning Mexico for ‘repressive measures’.
That should take care of the entire problem.
Some mid-level UN bureaucrat might even get a Purple Heart out of it, for recieving a paper cut in the line of duty, inflicted by a particularly sharp Note.
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Right here, bud. What's happening in Mexico is not a result of "drug crimes" but a result of drug prohibition. Alcohol is a drug, but Seagrams doesn't go to war with Smirnoff over market share - because their product is legal. Those companies don't need to murder police to get their product to market, either.
Drugs are very bad if misused - for the individual. When the nanny state sets out to protect that individual from his own lack of self control, however, the result for society is much more dire. You see in Mexico that ordinary law enforcement has failed. Prohibition has made drugs so valuable that the drug dealers have more money than the state, and that money buys weapons and officials. According to one website, cocaine sells for around $60 a gram. You can bet it doesn't cost that much to make. And marijuana is a weed that grows practically anywhere and would be free for all intents and purposes if it were not prohibited. Nobody kills anybody over something that's free.
How in the world did it become a "conservative" position to prohibit drugs? The same nanny state that tells you you can't snort coke is the same state that tells you you have to wear a seat belt. It's the same state that bans trans fats and prohibits smoking in public parks. Laissez-nous faire! That's the real conservative position.
Bingo. This has always, always been the case. It is not that there are not "good, conscious" people in Mexico, but in general the society is a totally different mentality than the original basis of the United States.
They are BICAMERAL.
That is, the order of society is based on fear, extortion, authority, as evidenced by the Mayans and Aztecs, rather than the internal consciousness (moral awareness) of the individual. The Aztecs for instance really really did commit mass blood sacrifice for God-induced authoritarianism.
Once understood the definition of Leftism becomes clear, authoritarian order, not necessarily from an explicit coups d'etat, but from the basic subliminal psychology of those who impose it.
Barack Obama, the Democrats, the financiers, the supporters, simply know nothing else.
This is, in an entirely non-mystical, non-proselytizing way, what Christ was about, a rebel to the Old Bicameral Testament. Socrates, Luther, Shakespeare, Voltaire, Wells, too, for that matter. It was, and is, about the individual understanding and exercising his own responsibility, and the synergy of others doing the same.
The United States in a vast perspective, is now amidst one of the most profound sea-changes in mass psychology, ever in human history.
The Borg versus the Federation.
*****Horse hockey. Many of the police are corrupt. The drug people will disappear like Al Qaeda and lay low until the heat’s off.******
Or until 0 gives them a date for when the “heat” will be off
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It’s getting pretty bad out there.........
It was an ABC news video.
Each wall 20ft high, sensors throughout the nomans land in the middle.
Helicopter and trucks respond to all breeches. Never more than 15mins away.
Should riots develop on the southern side, allow them to end of their own energies. Should a concerted effort be launched to breech the wall, up-to deadly force should be used to ASCERTAIN the wall stands. IT should be known for 1000 years that no man ever crossed it.
and with voltage on the top layers....
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