Posted on 01/15/2009 1:54:09 AM PST by jeremybuff
Getting rid of the "don't ask, don't tell" rule will bring big problems for the U.S. Military. Aside from the fact that I do not approve of the homosexual lifestyle, I have identified a few quick reasons why allowing gays to openly serve will bring negative effects to the military.
Uh, do you have examples of this. My experience tells me differently.
With Respect, Jeremy.
A Gay in the Military serving his/her/its Country has much more credibility than a war wimp such as yourself. If you aren’t in uniform then you really don’t have any business having an opinion on this matter.
Many countries have homosexualists serving in their armed forces with none of the problems you have forecast. My country (New Zealand) is one of those countries. Canada, the UK and Russia are others.
Why not put your money where your mouth is: enlist. Then you will have credibility enough to criticize the homosexualists who SERVE.
“If you aren’t in uniform then you really don’t have any business having an opinion on this matter.”
Any of us who help pay for the military, and any of us who depend on the military for our national security “have business having an opinion on this matter.”
Any of us who have children who could potentially be drafted (the Selective Service Administration remains in existence for a reason . . . ), or who are deciding whether to voluntarily enlist “have business having an opinion on this matter.”
I’m still mad about girls at the Academy.
> Any of us who help pay for the military, and any of us who depend on the military for our national security “have business having an opinion on this matter.”
Actually, you don’t.
Anyone that says otherwise has never served a day in a uniform.
For the most part, homosexuals are incapable of keeping their orientation to themself.
Self control seems to be a missing character trait.
Will the gays have the same physical training standards as the men or the women.
The females in the military don’t have to meet the same standards as the men.
If you think this doesn’t harm morale you are in denial.
When you lower a standard, any standard, for a particular group of people you are harming the entire unit.
I’ve experienced first hand the negative effects of open homosexuality in the military. At least now the perpetrators face consequences for their advances. If homosexuals are allowed to practice their perversion openly, I’m leaving of the service. Not only will they be allowed to openly practice their perversion, service members will be forced to endure tolerance and brainwashing training sessions to try and make us accept this immoral and highly offensive behavior. Those who don’t conform will be punished.
Any of us who help pay for the military, and any of us who depend on the military for our national security “have business having an opinion on this matter.” (JL)
“Actually, you don’t.” (Diehard)
Please give us your list of who has standing to “have business to have an opinion” on sodomites in the U.S. Military.
And then secondly, please give us a rundown on who contributes financially to the upkeep of the U.S. Military.
So if you’re not on welfare you have to keep your mouth shut about it? Can not have an opinion about it?
So if you’ve never been a Senator you can not have an opinion on what they should be doing?
That should cut down on the talk around here.
But apparently not a veteran.
I spent most of my adult life in the military. If Obama removes the ban on gays then I'm sure there will be repercussions. But all this talk of disaster and the military completely disintegrating and the world ending are just plain ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of service men and women will continue doing the same outstanding job they have been doing all along, be they heterosexual or homosexual. A small minority will be a problem and they will be removed from the services, again be they heterosexual or homosexual. Life will go on, the military will survive, and the country will remain secure. Regardless of what Sunshine patriots like yourself may think. Hope that isn't too big a disappointment for you.
What you're sayingis that anyone has the right to speak from ignorance. And that is most certainly true.
And how do heterosexuals do that?
Well...bye.
It's different. It just is. And, in the military especially, different is bad. I just keep thinking of my Infantry Platoon and how bad it would've been for an outed homo in the ranks. Not good at all...
Of course it is.
I just keep thinking of my Infantry Platoon and how bad it would've been for an outed homo in the ranks. Not good at all...
So you couldn't control your men? Or take steps to ensure that nobody disrupted the good order and discipline of your unit?
Nobody can control anybody 24/7. Trust me, we tried it. Even in a combat zone it was difficult to do. In garrison, it's impossible. If the homos want this, they'd better be REAL sure they're willing to go through with it.
Let me put it in a way that is very lucid. Young volunteers in the armed services don't want to shower, shave, sleep, eat, kill or be killed with gays. Maybe some libtards do, but OVERWHELMING majority DON'T. Also, the thought of a squad or company with gay "lovers" in it makes one sick. Look, it is hard enough with as it is, (I am a former officer and had to lead young men)
The military is not a jobs program or a social experiment.
I was in the navy... on a submarine... named the San Francisco.
Seems to me that my opinion trumps anyone else’s.
Any of us who have children... who are deciding whether to voluntarily enlist “have business having an opinion on this matter.”
I’m so sick of the Oprah-esque “it’s for the children” crappopa.
To enlist requires one to be an adult.
They aren’t your “children.”
I was in the navy...for almost 30 years...on several ships and shore stations...and I don't think your opinion trumps any other veteran's.
That's what God invented the UCMJ and the brig for. This is going to happen and nobody will be able to stop it. And the only way it will keep from being disruptive will be through a strict enforcement of the existing regs. Anyone, be they homosexual or heterosexual, who uses this change to subvert good order and discipline should be jumped on with both boondockers.
That's a ridiculous question. Men will meet male standards, women will meet female standards. That's a no-brainer.
But aren't gays a bunch of prancing, limp-wristed crybabies unable to do a single push-up? Actually, in the military, the majority of gays are called "lesbians" and most of them can meet physical standards just fine.
Have you been in the US military?
Are you aware of the bubba rules that were introduced during his regime?
Do you feel comfortable in a combat situation where a woman who couldn’t pass the PT requirements is now the only hope you have of being carried to safety?
The Military had turned into a social experiment during bubba.
Seems as tho the degradation is about to escalate.
What a shame. Unit cohesion is not just an expression, it’s vital for safety.
I'm currently serving in the navy with many fine men and women and who they share their bed with when they go home is an issue I couldn't care less about.
And yourself?
Nobody is kicking anyone's asses these days. I've so far served with two men who were openly gay and countless openly lesbian women, not to mention the even greater numbers of closeted ones. Truth be known, the "don't tell" portion of "don't ask, don't tell" has really pretty much been discarded. Everyone knows who the gays and lesbians are. Nobody cares so much anymore.
Gays in the military is a Liberal attack on their most hated enemy, the US military. And opening the door for homosexuals will quite possibly be opening a floodgate to young homosexual men who are looking for lifetime free AIDS health insurance. Once they are legal, homosexual activity will also have to be allowed and HIV will be soon a normal part of their makeup and discharge will leave them on Permanent Disability and lifetime medical care.
With all due respect, service in the military is not a prerequisite for forming and expressing an opinion. The presence or lack of service experience should be a factor in evaluating the opinion, but to preclude non-service opinions is merely a new form of taxation without representation - the very reason behind the American revolution.
I have a major problem with allowing potential lovers to room together in the barracks. To be equitable, males and females would be allowed to cohabitate openly, something that is currently forbidden. One alternative is to give homosexuals their own room, which is currently a privelege reserved for staff sergeant and above (barring exceptions due to rank and gender).
Before you ask, I am a veteran. I am opposed to this move for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with the character of the homosexuals that would choose to serve patriotically. In the U.S., I also expect to see a volume of homosexuals join the military in order to change it.
No - YOU DON'T CARE! Quit projecting your own feelings on everone else. I F'ING CARE, GET IT! I WILL ALWAYS CARE- FOREVER. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO WILL EVER, EVER CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THIS. EVER. THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH.
Back in my day, HIV+ personnel were non-deployable. Is that still the case?
Well, you'd better man up and stop crying about it then because things are about to change.
We all saw this coming. Where were you?
There have, actually, been a number of homosexual men in the military all along but to date, the homosexuals that enter and stay in the military are not in it to “celebrate” their “lifestyle” and do quite well in keeping it from becoming an issue. Many of the career guys are known to their colleagues but they are not a problem because they do their thing off privately base and without affecting their units or their fellow troops. I knew several such men in my 4 years and could have no problem serving with them and there would be no worry about who is watching who’s back. Allowing them in openly is entirely another matter and a mission destroyer. They will come in with huge chips on their shoulders and ACLU cards in their wallets- in addition to the other obvious problems. The military will have to divert ever greater amounts of its resources to its legal department and will eventually be forced by the lawyers and courts to allow the homosexuals to define their own mission and to some extent, the mission of the military.
That is still the case (at least in the navy). If someone is HIV+, they are on permanent shore duty which will make it awfully difficult to get promoted.
Your experience is typical. There are homosexual men and women in the military who serve their country honorably.
Their purpose is to serve the country not their social agenda.
They are to be commended for their service.
That said, the standards overall have deteriorated to the point of the ridiculous when it comes to PT for women.
Any of us who live in the country the military is tasked to defend “have business having an opinion on this matter.”
The Republic is not run(officially, at least) as a private estate of a King or the exclusive preserve of an Aristocracy or Oligarchy.
Being in combat in the infantry is not analogous to being a sailor on a ship.
You must be aware that the Navy is ridiculed for running Love Boats. Pregnant sailors....just ducky.
Every male member of our family has served since WW I. No exceptions. During war and peace. US Army, US Air Force and US Navy.
Thank you for your service.
This conversation about homosexuals serving openly is meant in no way to denigrate your service.
The backlash is coming. See my tagline.
BTW stopping saying 'we' all the time. You got a turd in your pocket? Do me a favor and quit including ME in your postions. You creep me out. Thanks.
And once the military is forced to homosexualize there will still be those who enter for military reasons, not homosexual reasons, and that group will not even be known to the flamers, suspected , maybe, but not known. The homosexual brother of an old(40+ years) friend of mine said the other day, Hey! gays in the mìlitary, that’s cool, I guess, but that’s not the military I want defending me and my country.
God invented the UCMJ to keep Sodomites out of the military.
Exactly that's the problem when you allow the breakdown of 'moral' cohesiveness, perversion run amuck, there's no depth the perverts won't go to to make the military accept their depraved, disgusting, lifestyle.
You sound pro-homo?
I live in today's America and serve in today's military. Things are a lot different than they used to be. That's the reality of the world we live in. We fight our battles and this battle was decided by Bill Clinton in 1993. Repealing the "DADT" compromise of gays serving has long been expected to eventually happen. Anyone who claims to be surprised by this has been living in denial for a long time.
It matters little if I'm pro- or anti-homo. I'm going to obey orders whether I like them or not.
No I don’t think my opinion trumps anyone else’s. (And I didn’t even offer an opinion in fact.) Thought you would see the humor (or lack thereof) in my post.
I mean c’mon. On a friggin submarine named after the gay capital of the US? That’s gotta be worth something.
You're in NEW ZEALAND!!! YOU are the one with no business expressing an opinion on the structure of the US military.
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