Posted on 01/12/2009 8:40:09 PM PST by Freefreq
I have been reading all over the net tonight and I don’t see the Birth Certificate issue dying anytime soon. As I sit here and write this I’m listening to my Smooth Jazz and typing away. Many sites across the net will not let this issue go even though the Supreme Court has been ignoring suit after suit after suit.
On the Sean Hannity site there is a thread that will not die and more and more info is dug up by the day. Its my opinion its just a matter of time before the Main Stream Media will have to address this. The thread on Hannity has tons of info but let me warn you it is VERY long. If the Libs would stay out of the thread and let the Right discuss things between themselves something may actually come of it all.
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Correct.
But he has so many masters to please, least of which come from the ‘right’ side of the political sphere.
Yes. The Obama administration may be the shortest in history.
I don’t think Obama or anyone connected to him really cares that much whether this thing goes away or not. Sure, they’ll go through the motions and file motions to dismiss any court cases, but that’s pretty standard stuff. It’s actually a much less significant issue than those who raise it wish it to be.
I agree. Until Obama produces his birth certificate, and all of his other records, for that matter, Americans must not stop searching for whatever it is that he’s hiding.
We know one thing. Whatever he is hiding is vitally important to his dreams and aspirations. If it wasn’t, he’d have settled this issue a long, long time ago.
“I don’t think Obama or anyone connected to him really cares that much whether this thing goes away or not. Sure, they’ll go through the motions and file motions to dismiss any court cases, but that’s pretty standard stuff. It’s actually a much less significant issue than those who raise it wish it to be.”
If just ONE court approves discovery it will instantly become the most significant issue of all.
Yup.
The writer is right about one thing: it is NOT going away, nor will it ever go away, until it sees the light of day.
Ping. Thought you might want to read this.
One of these Obama non-citizenship cases will pop. The law is the law.
I am guessing API will pop, they are suing Faux Neuz for breech of contract about airing the Obama tapes.
API, the one in Africa for those that didn’t know has the information of where and when Obama was born.
The only evidence that I have heard is that Obama was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Note that they can’t come up with where he was born in Hawaii.
ssssshhhhh!
Its a state secret, keep quiet or the obamadeathbots will laser us!
I believe it, others believe it but a whole lot refuse to think about it, pity those that will not accept the truth, pity not those that know the truth and refuse it.
Yes indeed! Obama has spent a fortune keeping the issue quiet. The news libs are all over us like the Cling-ons.
Keep pushing for authorities and elected officials to enforce the law.
The only condolence I can take from the unfolding tragedy that has beset this nation from Obummer becoming President is that for the next four years (if he lasts that long) we can make his life a miserable, accursed, living h3ll by hammering away at him with everything we can get our hands on regarding every aspect of his marxist little life. May he leave office screaming and cursing the day he set his sights on the highest office.
The internet until its unplugged will be his bane, at least half of America will be dusting Obama with itching and sneezing powder while he is in office.
That's possible.
It's also possible that he's a pigheaded contrarian spoiled brat with too much money ... and this is his way of thumbing his nose and saying "You can't make me do that!! Nyah Nyah Nyah!!"
Didn’t the Messiah say we needed transparency in our Government?
Or was that Nancy?
Whatever Obama is hiding is probably inconsistent with his much-vaunted public “biography” and, perhaps, his private understanding of who he really is. In brief sympathetic moments, I believe that he really doesn't fully know his early childhood background because he has been told so many different stories by relatives.
lincoln’s second term was short, too.
Obama will never need to divulge his bc...the feds can't coerce a state govt to do so....
You said — “I have been reading all over the net tonight and I don’t see the Birth Certificate issue dying anytime soon.”
You’re right; it’s just like the Kennedy assassination conspiracies, too. They never die either. I believe it’s the same way here, too. I, personally and definitely, do not believe the Warren Commission on the matter, either. But, at this point, I won’t follow those conspiracies, even though I was there at that time he was shot. It’s finished as far as I’m concerned as I don’t figure that we’ll ever know anything about this, for sure. It’s history.
So, yes..., this will continue along just like the Kennedy assassination conspiracies, do, too...
There is another rationale that I use in thinking about this Obama Qualification issue, too. I mentioned it in another thread, so I’ll simply copy the reasoning here...
The article said — “At this moment in history, one man has the power to stop this monumental fraud and uphold the Constitution.”
Well, I disagree with the choice of the “one man” that they are talking about. I do think that there *is* — definitely — “one man” who does have the power and the ability to stop any kind of violation of the Constitutional requirements for the office of President of the United States — and who is *sworn* by his official duties to uphold that same Constitution.
That one man is President George Bush.
He has the power and the ability to not merely *know* all the facts, by mere commanding it from the Office of the President (having many agencies at his disposal, plus all sorts of covert ops at his disposal, plus secret agencies at his disposal) — he also has the *power* to put a complete stop to it, if there is a violation of the Constitutional requirements for office of the President of the United States.
But, by the fact that he is not doing so and will not do so — brings me to one of two possible positions — he refuses to do so, because he knows there’s not an issue with the Constitutional requirements (i.e., Obama is qualified), or he is “conspiring” with those who want to put Obama in office and will ignore the qualifications issue (i.e., Obama is not qualified).
Now, it’s possible that some may argue that Bush may not “know”, but that’s sort of ridiculous since it’s been to the Supreme Court and it would be saying that Bush doesn’t know what the Supreme Court is deciding on... LOL...
Maybe one might say that Bush doesn’t want to know, so he’s ignoring it. But, that’s saying that he’s intentionally ignoring his Constitutional duties. I suppose some may say that’s true. And if that’s true, then I put that in the “conspiracy area”, up above, that I just mentioned.
Of those possibilities, I would say that Bush obviously knows (and has the full power of the government, secretly and not secretly, to *know* without a doubt) that Obama is qualified under the Constitution.
I guess there are others, here — however — that will say Bush is involved in the conspiracy. Well, there is Berg, who also says that Bush is involved in the conspiracy involving the attack on 9/11, since Berg says that in his 9/11 Truther case...
Here is another rationale for what is going on in the Obama Qualifications issue...
The following came from —
Obama’s Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach (”cauterized” O’s passport info)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2163590/posts
You said — “Yes, where is the FBI and where the you know what is the Supreme Court?”
This thing happened way back when — “During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.”
It’s been investigated and we’ve got Secretary of State Rice involved (”Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice phoned Obama and personally apologized for the breach. ‘I told him that I myself would be very disturbed if I learned that somebody had looked into my passport file,’ Rice told reporters.”), the State Department Inspector General (OIG) issuing a 104-page report on the breach last July, and the State Department (in general, saying “The State Department chalked up the passport file snooping discovered in March 2008 to ‘imprudent curiosity’ by contract employees hired to help process passport applications”), and Acting Assistant secretary for administration William H. Moser sent a six-page reply in regards to the recommendations for correcting this type of breach.
Now, with all those people and agencies and investigations going on, it would seem *very apparent* that if there is a violation of the Constitutional requirements for the office of President of the United States (which would be clear from the passport), this item would be known by all those people, and it goes right back to George Bush.
Bush is sworn to uphold the Constitution, and obviously since he doesn’t see a problem there (and is in a position *to know* for sure, and “especially so” with Secretary of State Rice, being involved in this and being directly under President Bush) — that this is fairly clear evidence that there isn’t a problem. If there was, President Bush would be *duty-bound* to uphold the Constitution.
Of course, there are people like Berg, who think that Bush was involved in the attack of 9/11, too. And I suppose..., there will be people here who will say Bush is also “involved” in the conspiracy to hide the information about Obama not being qualified under the Constitutional requirements...
It’s amazing what conspiracy theorists will come up with, it seems...
The smoking gun document has got Obama over a barrel. He didn’t get to this one...scrubbed or hidden.
Thanks Ernest. I think his stonewalling is a diversionary tactic.
I heard Rush gently dance around it today as well...
What was investigated? Add 99 apples together and you still do not have one orange.
It was the accessing of Obama’s passport information... happened last year about the first part of the year.
And the result, regarding Barrack Obama’s birth and citizenship statuses and history?
You asked — “And the result, regarding Barrack Obama’s birth and citizenship statuses and history?”
President Bush determined that it wasn’t a problem and there was not a violation of the Constitutional requirements...
That’s an assumption, not a fact. What statement in re Obama’s eligibility, specifically in regard to “natural born” status, has President Bush made?
Hmmmm, really? When did President Bush determine that it “wasn’t a problem”?
You asked — Hmmmm, really? When did President Bush determine that it “wasn’t a problem”?
When there is a case to prosecute, you announce it upon prosecution. If there is not a case to prosecute — no announcement and no prosecution...
The President announced no prosecution...
The First Fraudulent Presidency will not be commemorated by the MSM or the major parties; it must be forced into the consciousness of history by the decentralized decision-making now available to ordinary people. The urinalists will continue to pee on this truth.
Boy are you stretching it to come to that conclusion. Why not just stick to the facts? Obama has failed to provide an easily obtainable (by him) $10 document to prove where he was born. That fact bothers me and should be a great concern to every citizen of this country.
I suppose ST is using his twist logic from post #27.
President Bush is in a position to know, he has the power to get any kind of information and he has the ability to direct the Justice Department — and — he has a duty as President to uphold the Constitution...
That says it all for me...
You said — “That’s an assumption, not a fact. What statement in re Obama’s eligibility, specifically in regard to “natural born” status, has President Bush made?”
It’s a fact that the President has directed no prosecution for violation of this Constitutional provision. Since he has the duty to uphold the Constitution, that’s all I need to know...
You said — “I suppose ST is using his twist logic from post #27. “
Pretty sound logic in that the President must uphold the Constitution, per his sworn oath and the President has the ability to get the information and also had the reason to do so (with this passport issue) and has the ability to direct prosecution when it is needed.
No prosecution means exactly that the President has decided, according to his knowledge and his sworn oath of office that there is no violation to prosecute...
That’s supposed to be your logic in determining that Bush has verified that Obama is eligible?
You asked — “That’s supposed to be your logic in determining that Bush has verified that Obama is eligible?”
Yeah, I trust President Bush a lot more than Obama...
I actually believe that President Bush will do the right thing on the qualifications issue. If it’s a violation of the Constitution, he will order prosecution. If it’s not, he won’t.
Did Vice President Cheney ask Obama to produce any evidence of his citizenship when the House and Senate met in joint session to certify the elctoral vote? Did any Congressman or Seantor object?
Settled it how? If he had produced his COLB to a court, the plaintiffs would have demanded the original vault birth certificate. If he had produced that, they would have demanded that document examiners examine it. If the court found the certificate legitimate, the plaintiffs would have demanded evidence about his adoption in Indonesia, and on and on.
If Obama had, for one minute, conceded that any court had any role in this process, he would have been tied up in litigation for 8 years. As it is, the courts have dismissed every case; the Supreme Court has refused to hear any appeals; neither Hillary (in the primaries), McCain (in the general election), the Electoral College, or any member of the House or Senate (when the electoral votes were certified), has questioned his eleigibility. He will be sworn in on schedule by Chief Justice Roberts, and will continue to ignore the internet rumors.
We are each and all beggars hoping (if we are wise, idiotically ignorant of the theft if not) that their inaccountabilities will not print so many dollars that ours are worthless except as fuel for a poor man's fire. That is beyond any penumbra of Constitutional authority, and by the grant to being non-reviewable it is beyond any vesitge of the duty of a steward in care of the wealth of others by long established common law.
Yet in this one matter you expect Mr. Bush, Commander in Chief, finally relented of his negligence in all non-war areas with regard to insuring that the Constituional requirements were met?
Where then, assuming like a rose-colored-glasses wearing daughter of Doctor Pangloss that he did do that duty, where then did he get the proper definition of "natural born" from?
For as far as we all can find, there has never been a settled determination of that term.
If only it were that simple. With all due respect....we wouldn't have witnessed Republicans prosecuted for non-crimes while DemocRats skate after committing crimes that they were guilty of beyond any shadow of doubt, all the while getting a free-pass from the leftist media.
The law may be the law, but there are ""special people"" that don't have to follow the same laws that you, I and fellow conservatives and Republicans have to follow. Those special people are, as you should know, called leftist DemocRats.
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