We Got It Right About the Rosenbergs

From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 12/28/08 | Purple Mountains

[PurpleMountains]

I was surprised to see a major FoxNews report on the Rosenberg trial the other day. Every once in a while, the treasons committed by notorius leftists such as Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs are exhumed, and some present-day leftists try to cast doubt on their guilt. One of the witnesses, who himself was a spy for the Soviets, recently recanted his 55 year old testimony against the Rosenbergs; and their sons, who spent their lifetimes arguing the innocence of their parents, have gone in the other direction. We should always remember that all communists, socialists and modern liberals lie whenever it suits them in order to advance their cause of collectivism.

[Non-Sequitur]

So then why didn’t we fry the Walkers and Jonathan Pollard?

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

McCarthy was right.
And we need another McCarthy. But first, we need to revive real patriotism and contempt for the evil that is communism.

[VR-21]

"So then why didn’t we fry the Walkers and Jonathan Pollard?"

I'm not knowledgeable enough about Pollard to say, but I would definitely have hanged Walker.

[Non-Sequitur]

I'm not knowledgeable enough about Pollard to say, but I would definitely have hanged Walker.

At the time of the Walker case the government's preferred mode of capitol punishment was still the electric chair.

What bothers me about the Rosenbergs is not that they fried but that they were the only ones. I'd prefer that the do it in all cases.

[mysterio]

And we need another McCarthy.

Another big government authoritarian witch hunt? No thanks.

[PurpleMountains]

I hate traitors, but I can do without another McCarthy, a drunk who destroyed the lives of many innocent people.

[woollyone]

Mr. Obama, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party USA?

[Revolting cat!]

Name them.

[VR-21]

"What bothers me about the Rosenbergs is not that they fried but that they were the only ones. I'd prefer that the do it in all cases."

I agree. I understand about the method of execution, I was "editorializing" a bit.

[Tijeras_Slim]

These people never give up... Pacifica radio was whining about Sacco and Vanzetti the other day... sheesh...

[mozarky2]

“Another big government authoritarian witch hunt? No thanks.”

Well, we are talking about Communists here. This is much more than a “witch hunt.” Let’s recall that witches aren’t real. Communists and their threat to freedom are. Kill them all...

[Operation_Shock_N_Awe]

It wasn't a witch hunt. McCarthy said there was a list of people who's clearances should be investigated b/c their loyalties weren't clear.

His words were later twisted to say he knew the names of communists and was on a witch hunt. However, most of the original names were on the Reid list, which had previously been addressed to Congress. Some of the people on said list merely left one gov't position and got another

That said every last name McCarthy had turned out to be a communist or fellow traveler holding a government position.

Try reading "Black Listed by History," the other went to great lengths to provide copies of the charts and FBI files... its a lot more accurate than the "McCarthy=Bad" regurgitation..... furthermore the Venona files confirmed that McCarthy was right and so did Russia after the dissolution of the USSR.

Personally, I'm for limited gov't, but we have the FBI for a reason; to protect against domestic threat. And if our do-nothings in Congress actually listenend to them and allowed them to do their job, maybe we would read shocking stories about Hamas operatives that worked at the FBI and CIA BEFORE they did significant damage to the country, or before communists use their position to insure China goes red.

McCarthy had no authority, but to bring information he received to light.... which included people (working in signals intelligence and the Code room at the Pentagon) actively providing info to the reds.

Just because a lie is repeated often by sympathizing-hack "authors" and NEA troops (read public school teachers) doesn't make it true.

[mysterio]

Kill them all...

What should we do with socialists? Should they all be killed as well? How about racists? I don't like racists. Should we kill them? And telemarketers. Let's not forget telemarketers.

[MissDairyGoodnessVT]

I have a YTube response to this thread:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L3QVn4JyYA

[Operation_Shock_N_Awe]

the other went to great

should be the author went to great

[GOPJ]

McCarthy was right.

I don't think the MSM is going to trumpet this one...

[353FMG]

Because we live in a “kinder and gentler” society where PC is the norm.

[Operation_Shock_N_Awe]

if they actively work to subvert the Constitution (as written by the Founders).....YES but we should start with their apologists first

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

He was correct in identifying communists, and his goal was to prevent them from destroying the country.

Here we sit around, afraid to insult anyone by ‘questioning their patriotism’ while they put a communist in the White House.

[mysterio]

McCarthy said there was a list of people who's clearances should be investigated b/c their loyalties weren't clear.

Oh, that's was all it was? I thought it was a kangaroo court designed to parade regular citizens in front of the country and to destroy their careers because someone was forced to give up names of accused "communists." And the mere accusation got you blacklisted and a lot of non-communists had to live with that label as well.

I hate communism. One of the aspects of communism I hate the most is that competing political philosophy is banned by law and those who don't believe in communism are punished or killed. If you're asking me to support doing something similar here in America, no thanks.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

No, but Michelle Malkin has done a pretty good job of it.

[353FMG]

Obama: What does it matter? The American people don’t care—the American people don’t even care if I am a natural born citizen. Now get off the WH lawn.

[mysterio]

.YES but we should start with their apologists first

Are you accusing me of being a communist "apologist?"

[Liberty Valance]

[BobL]

You certainly sound like one, if you are unable to understand the mortal threat that communism posed to the existence of this country at that time.

[Oldpuppymax]

Lets see now...Julius and Ethel were innocent and all great or talented people throughout history were homosexuals. OK, now I got it.

[mkjessup]

What should we do with socialists? Should they all be killed as well? How about racists? I don't like racists. Should we kill them? And telemarketers. Let's not forget telemarketers.

And DEFINITELY any person so twisted as to actually be a dual musical fan of Soundgarden AND Sinatra.

[mysterio]

The poster advocated the killing of apologists. Should I be killed?

It's fairly comical to call me a communist. On a political quiz, I'm the polar opposite of a communist authoritarian.

[muawiyah]

Not all spies and traitors get fried ~ never have. Some who commit particularly egregious crimes, e.g. steal atom bomb secrets, get fried.

Personally I think that the ones who don't get fried should be given up for public torture every third year for at least one day.

[mysterio]

And DEFINITELY any person so twisted as to actually be a dual musical fan of Soundgarden AND Sinatra.

Hey, now. Sometimes you feel like "One more for the Road," and some days are more "Slaves and Bulldozers." It's become something of an Ipod world lately. However, we could kill those with Ipods while we're mowing down commies, apologists, and crooner/grunger fans. I prefer vinyl anyway.

[muawiyah]

What “authoritarian witch hunt”? Sure, there was a search for “authoritarians” and “totalitarians” doing the bidding of foreign dictators, but witches? Nobody said any of these people were witches, just Commies!

[muawiyah]

None were innocent.

[muawiyah]

OK, then, telemarketers (we need merely bomb the Malabar Coast), THEN the Socialists, but only after suitible torture ~ like forcing them to watch Bill Gates cash a check and stick his own money in his own pockets.

[mysterio]

like forcing them to watch Bill Gates cash a check and stick his own money in his own pockets.

I pegged you a cruel character right off the bat, but that right there is sinister.

[BobL]

Actually, the “kill them all comment” was just in regard to communists...but it did morph into apologists - so you may have a point.

As to killing communists, that is what our Constitution calls for (indirectly, via Treason), so I certainly support that.

[pallis]

The Rosenbergs were Communist chump change compared to what we will have in the White House, and leading Congress. The world leftists finally figured out that spies are not nearly as affective as getting their people into political power. Treason from on high will ruin us.

[mkjessup]

And Jimmy Carter was their test run.

[fr_freak]

I hate communism. One of the aspects of communism I hate the most is that competing political philosophy is banned by law and those who don't believe in communism are punished or killed. If you're asking me to support doing something similar here in America, no thanks.

You are confusing two totally different things. It is one thing for people to be free to believe in whatever ideology they want, and to do so openly. That is the freedom we have here, and the Communist Party existed before, during and after the McCarthy days, without any interference from the government (although I'm sure they were being watched at some point by the FBI). It is quite another thing to be an agent of a hostile foreign power and hide your own belief system in order to achieve positions in government that allow you to advance that foreign power's agenda in direct contrast to your own country's agenda. That is what McCarthy warned against, and those types of people were the ones he sought (and found).

I think you also may be confusing Senator McCarthy with the House Un-American Activities Committee, of which McCarthy had no part. MCarthy sought Soviet moles in the US government, and found them. HUAC went a little further and called out some non-governmental people, such as Hollywood types. As far as I know, though, none of those actors were actually arrested. Their careers were merely hurt because the Hollywood bigshots feared that no American would go to a movie with a known communist in it.

A country has to be able to defend itself from hostile people. Period. That includes spies and saboteurs. To suggest otherwise is asinine. To suggest that the concept of "freedom" prohibits the ability to act in your own defense and self interest is ridiculous.

[April Lexington]

McCarthy was right. And we need another McCarthy. But first, we need to revive real patriotism and contempt for the evil that is communism.

We already have one. Her name is Ann Coulter. Read her books and understand that people who defend Joe McCarthy are not crazy. It is the grasp of the extent of leftist activity in the United States that makes people shrill.

[mysterio]

That is what McCarthy warned against, and those types of people were the ones he sought (and found).

But many people were labeled "communists" and ruined. People were encouraged to turn in suspected communists. That's too much collateral damage. And the end result is that the public got so angry about it that now it's almost chic to be a communist. So the witch hunt was a complete failure and ended up having the opposite of the desired effect.

[muawiyah]

No one was falsely labeled.

[April Lexington]

Don't be fooled by this clap trap. Try publicly stating that homosexuality is a sin or that Jesus is our savior and watch how "tolerant" these leftists become.

Oldest trick in the book. "We aren't bad. We just believe in communism..." Its all one way and it all leads to their empowerment and the destruction of Western Christian culture.

[Right Winged American]

On a political quiz, I'm the polar opposite of a communist authoritarian.

So, that would make you an archao-anarchist, right?

[mysterio]

No one was falsely labeled.

So every person who was named as a communist was actually a communist? Wow, that's some amazing government efficiency right there.

[mysterio]

No, I lean mostly libertarian. I believe in smaller, less intrusive government and in a strong Bill of Rights.

[CodeToad]

“And telemarketers. Let’s not forget telemarketers.”

Yes, kill them all by hanging them with telephone wire!

[fr_freak]

But many people were labeled "communists" and ruined. People were encouraged to turn in suspected communists. That's too much collateral damage. And the end result is that the public got so angry about it that now it's almost chic to be a communist. So the witch hunt was a complete failure and ended up having the opposite of the desired effect.

Once again, I think that was HUAC and not McCarthy. Also, I don't think that "the public" got so angry at the communist labels being thrown around, as much as Hollywood types, who were communists, got angry, and set about a propaganda campaign that continues even to this day that depicts the anti-communists as knuckle-dragging, old, white, racists while depicting the accused as innocent, freedom-loving citizens. Women and children hardest hit, you know. Hollywood made communism chic, just as they have made gangsterism, rampant promiscuity, and homosexuality chic.

The fact is that there was, has been and perhaps still is a concerted effort by communists, funded and organized initially by the Soviets, to undermine the American system from within and replace it with the Soviet-style communism. Back in the 50s and 60s, when the Soviets were still a world power and the Cold War was in full swing, such an undermining was life-threatening. Soviet spies, for instance, were responsible for stealing much of the US's nuclear technology. There is no greater direct threat than that.

[fr_freak]

No argument here.

[mysterio]

Once again, I think that was HUAC and not McCarthy.

I don't think it's intellectually honest to cast the two as completely independent entities. Seems more accurate that they enjoyed a symbiotic relationship.

The fact is that there was, has been and perhaps still is a concerted effort by communists, funded and organized initially by the Soviets, to undermine the American system from within and replace it with the Soviet-style communism.

Well, they picked the wrong tactic. Seems like our current government has done a much better job accomplishing that goal using an economic crisis as impetus.