Posted on 12/18/2008 1:39:29 PM PST by Sorry screen name in use
12/18/08 - URGENT NOTICE – False rumors are circulating – Justice Kennedy denied our Application for an Injunction to Stay Electoral Vote Count by Congress on January 8, 2009. However, our Writ of Certiorari is still pending and is now scheduled for Conference before U.S. Supreme Court on January 9, 2009.
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A little late
Does this (conference) mean they need 4 Justices to go to a full hearing/trial?
Didn’t the elector’s meet and select Obama?
Anybody got money on SC taking up the case?
Geez, put your tin-foil hat away, willya? Spend your energy on fighting the three headed monster (Obamanancy Reid) from destroying this great country in the next 6 months instead of worrying about where Obama-lini was whelped.
It’s like mud wrestling with a pig: You get us all dirty and the pig (i.e. DUmmies and other Kool-Aid drinking Demo-rats) like it!
The Supreme Court is an appellate court. It does not conduct trials. If four Justices vote to hear the case, they will set a schedule for briefs to be filed and oral argument to be held. However, I expect the petition to hear the case to be denied 0-9.
I think he is referring to this recent news item:
Justice Kennedy rejects 2 more challenges to Obama
Dec. 17, 2008
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHUQU9Oy9bW8w5a5eevJkGvFNtmAD954J4CG0
“Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy has rejected two more efforts to get the court to consider whether President-elect Barack Obama is eligible to take office.
Kennedy on Wednesday denied without comment an appeal by Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, that claims Obama is either a citizen of Kenya or Indonesia and is ineligible to be president because he is not a “natural-born citizen” of the U.S. as required by the Constitution. Another appeal from California, based on Berg’s claims, also was denied.”
Sorry, ignore the anti-constitution retards.
Do you know if this is re: Berg?
Yesterday we learned Berg is scheduled for the 9th, so is this a different one?
I can’t wait until the “LOL” poster gets here.
I don’t have an opinion but that poster makes me “LOL”
Yes the conference involves all 9, and at least 4 have to vote for the issue to be heard by the court.
IMHO it will come before the full court.
All 9 see their place in history.
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WE may set aside the Constitution on a whim, whenever it suits our passing “need” of the moment, or we cannot, or should not. Which shall it be? If the first, then we should just scuttle the whole experiment in carefully modulated self-government.
The only way you guys can win is to get the smoking gun.
With the subpoena the State has to furnish you with a copy of the vault copy and provide the document to the court as well you can ask that your expert(s) examine the document. I think you may want an independent lab to test the document for authenticity (rate of the documents oxidation, etc. to see that it was in fact issued in August 1961) should the document indicate that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. I don't think that the document will say that, but you never know.
The fact that Obama has simply opened up the vault for examination only leads to the conclusion that he does not have a valid Hawaiian birth certificate,but only that the birth was recorded in Hawaii.
Additionally, you should get subpoena for HHS on Barry Soetoro or all his other aliases for his student aid application. If in fact he applied for aid as a foreign student either HHS or DoS has to have the document(s). This can also be FOIA'd in a plenary action in the US Court for the District of Columbia. Additionally, DHS may have from ICE a record of his Indonesian passport's entry and exit from the US in the past. If this guy has an Indonesian Passport recorded by our government, or his entry into Pakistan on an Indonesian passport...he is, as you know, toast.
The truth is out there!
But you guys have got to either FOIA or subpoena it. It isn't currently going to magically appear in your mailbox.
However, after this Rick Warren announcement you never know what certain individuals in certain quarters will do?
Get moving with the subpoena to the Federal District Court in Hawaii, time is of the essence.
Anyway, were expecting snow and Phil probably needs a few days in the sun in Honolulu.
If one of the justices accepts to hear the case(s), it’s fair to the voting behind closed doors is at least 8-1. My guess is Thomas and Scalia are chomping at the bit, but Roberts and Alito are scaredy cats.
I really think this will at some point be before the court.
Obama having been elected, other than my natural objection to a man whose beliefs I completely object to, I support him serving his term in office. I state that with the stipulation that he is qualified to hold the office.
Obama has a number of problems here. Hawaii did allow people to acquire birth certificates having not been born in the state, just so long as they were a resident for twelve months prior to the request.
It is now open to question if the address used by the petitioners to obtain his birth certificate was legitimate. When a fraud is perpetrated on any level, the government can completely nullify the transaction, even if the end goal was a valid one.
Was Obama born in a Hawaiian hospital? Was he even born in Hawaii? Did the state of Hawaii validate his birth using a request based on residence, or on natural child birth?
These are questions I want answered. I want a full public accounting. If in the end that is provided, my objection will be reduced to one of a political rather than merit based objection.
I disagree. The Constitution is worth protecting. By being willing to look the other way to this possible theft, we’re saying the Constitution is not important and we’ve opened the door to more of the same. A precedent has been set.
Do you think they will hear it? I am not optimistic but I get sick on the naysayers here teling us to move on.
Everything I see is like a rolling snowball...just keeps rolling and collecting more and getting bigger and bigger.
Will it explode when it hits the tree at the bottom of the hill??? One can only hope and hope it doesn’t explode all over the American people..which I fear it will. sigh...
Do you believe in the theory of a parallel universe, it may happen there but not here!!! If you do you have been watching to much star gate.
I think we know Thomas and Scalia want to defend the Constitution. I was expecting more from Roberts and Scalia. Maybe they will suprise me but it seems like corruption is the way of the USA these days.
LOL... :-)
You asked — “Why hasn’t Berg simply asked Justice Kennedy for a subpoena for the vault copy or in the alternative taken a subpoena request to the Federal District for Hawaii and gotten a Federal (not Hawaii state judge) to issue a subpoena for the vault copy?”
I think it’s because Berg is busy with the case about the 9/11 attack and how Bush was involved in it... I mean, that takes up a lot of time to show that Bush was involved in the attack on the Towers (and Pentagon). Being a 9/11 Truther is not a job Berg can slack off on...
OR..., it could be because Berg *also* represent Chief Editor Korir of the African Press International in trying to get out the Michelle Obama tape recording where Obama’s wife basically admits that he’s not a natural born citizen. Berg has officially said that he was representing ole “Chief Editor Korir” so depending on where the Chief Editor is hiding out now, it could be a busy time for Berg...
Other than that — I don’t know what other tin-foil hat issues that Berg is working on...
You asked — “Will the SCOTUS use their Time Machine after there January 9th conference.”
Well..., if nothing else, the Supreme Court of the United States will certainly dismiss all these cases as moot, after Obama is sworn in, as *only* the Congress can do anything to remove Obama from office at that time.
Of course, I wouldn’t be holding my breath that Congress will do anything about Obama... :-)
I love it!
My hubby is into Japanese anime. He says ROR (or Raughing out Roud)
If Obama was born in Kenya, he would have a DS-1350 on file at the State Department. File a FOIA to obtain that DS-1350.
It is a sorry day when posters on Free Republic want to ignore a constitutional issue because pursuing it makes us look bad.
You said — “It is a sorry day when posters on Free Republic want to ignore a constitutional issue because pursuing it makes us look bad.”
Pursue it in a way that is going to work. This way is not working, unfortunately. There is another way.
That other way is to work for state laws in which the Secretary of State must vet a Presidential Candidate, having him prove that he meets the Constitutional requirements for being in office, or else he will not be placed on the ballot and no Electoral College vote can be for him...
That’s how to correct the *defective process* that we have right now, in vetting the candidate...
Everyone has been bought off. This whole system is so corrupt. It won’t change until -
| No. 08-570 | ||||
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| Docketed: | October 31, 2008 | |||
| Lower Ct: | United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit |
| Case Nos.: | (08-4340) |
| Rule 11 |
| ~~~Date~~~ | ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| Oct 30 2008 | Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008) |
| Oct 31 2008 | Application (08A391) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter. |
| Nov 3 2008 | Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed. |
| Nov 3 2008 | Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter. |
| Nov 18 2008 | Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed. |
| Dec 1 2008 | Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson. |
| Dec 8 2008 | Application (08A505) for an injunction pending the disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter. |
| Dec 9 2008 | Application (08A505) denied by Justice Souter. |
| Dec 15 2008 | Application (08A505) refiled and submitted to Justice Kennedy. |
| Dec 17 2008 | DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 9, 2009. |
| Dec 17 2008 | Application (08A505) denied by Justice Kennedy. |
I’m not saying to set aside the Constitution, but bringing up lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit and getting it repeatedly turned down by court after court after court is somewhere between insanity and self-destruction.
For all the lawsuits against Slick Willie back in the 90s, where did it get us? All it got us was a guarantee that, when we got someone with an “R” on their party recognition, the same crap came at us, and NOTHING GETS ACCOMPLISHED! Hell, Ronald Reagan himself couldn’t have done a thing with all the crap that Soros and his willing accomplishes in the DBM were pulling.
If you ask me, let’s solve the REAL problems. Even if one of these suits works and Obama-lini gets tossed on his ear, we’d have Biden-mytime at the head of the hydra, but we’d still have a hydra nonetheless.
Good suggestion.
Wrong. Unless you fight them - they will walk all over you. By fighting and showing people the Constitution is there for a reason tehn some of them might wak up. Maybe you might wake up or shame SCOTUS into defending the Constitution.
The other problem is the Obama MSM. The only way you battle that is get millions of conservatives to cancel cable TV. Does it sound silly? No. The NY Times, and all the other papers are on their last legs. What killed newspapers - the Internet and conservatives fed up with reading propaganda.
The Libs want the fairness doctrine and it is being pushed by House members. We boycott companies in their districts. Money talks. We have economic power. We are fed up with corruption. By being meek, not speaking out and not fighting they will just keep on walking all over us.
So until someone has a concrete plan then get off the “let’s move on” speech.
If incontrovertible evidence came to light that showed Obama was not eligible, civil war would be unavoidable. Even if Congress would have the Constitutional authority to choose someone else, any selection they could make would be seen as illegitimate by a very large percentage of the population. The Supreme Court is not going to undertake any action that would produce such a result. It simply isn't going to happen.
The remedy that would best honor the Constitution, and have the best chance of averting civil war, would be to require that Obama provide prima facie evidence of eligibility. Since the state of Hawaii claims to have his birth records, the Court should state that Obama will be deemed eligible for office as soon as the state of Hawaii states officially and unequivocally that he was born there. Obama is free to authorize the release of that information whenever he sees fit; if January 20 comes without him having authorized the release, Biden would serve as Acting President but Barack would remain President-Elect, able to serve as soon as the state confirms his eligibility.
Under that scenario, Barack could be kept out of the White House without his ineligibility ever having to be exposed. Rather than being declared "ineligible", he would be "not eligible yet", and given clear instructions how to become eligible. Any delay beyond that point would be purely Barack's own decision.
This case might “grow some legs” since Obama failed to answer the Writ.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
I nominate this post for the Unintentional Ironic Headline Of The Day Award.
The Supreme Court is an appellate court. They don't take evidence or hear trials, and the Supreme Court rules therefore give them no power to issue subpoenas. Even when they hear a case-- and they hear only the ones 4 Justices vote to hear-- they only review the legal resoning of the court below.
Exactly! As if the left, Dem pols and the MSM hold Free Republic and conservatives in general in high regard. Apparently the naysayers live in some alternate universe where they do. I'll bet McCain is a staunch conservative and President-elect there too. LOL
I think the Germans have some good ideas about getting news out by draping banners over freeway overpasses.
I can just imagine the colective panic when thousands of commuters see messages hanging from an overpass denouncing Obamas eligibility.
Yeah, what do they think this is, hotair.com?
Apparently, not according to the federal court system, if one believes Judge Alsup, Cindy.
At link you gave :”Does America have one honest, courageous senator?”
This is exactly what the moonbats got Barbara Boxer to do in January 2005 over Ohio and Florida to keep GWB from being elected. They were laughing stock of nation and the moonbats said the same thing. Turns out attacking GWB on policies and news events was the key in them winning.
Nothing in this adds up to republican president, any more than Boxer and BCC could get to Kerry as president.
"Nothing adds up" except for hard, cold, jaggy and heavy truth.
I invite you to do some reading. Barack Obama, by the informaion he admits to is manifestly not a natural born Citizen and his presidency would be fictitious and in violation of the United States Constitution.
This is not about getting a Republican President. Does the Constitution matter to you?
PS: And since 2005, due to Barbara Boxer, tell me just how much the Democratic Party has sufferred, please.
The democrat party didn't suffer because all the other senators voted against Boxer including Kerry. That's not to say that these repeated lawsuits hurt elected republicans but don't ask our elected to risk their seats for a completely hopeless cause..
RE :”Does the Constitution matter to you?”
Please, spare me the holy than thou. The courts make practical and political decisions all the time and it's not just Ginsberg and Breyer. Scalia (who is my hero) voted with the majority of Bush vs Gore and that decision was clearly outside the authority of the SC. Read Levin's ‘Men in Black’ for the details. They made a decision that applies only to that one case. Note they wont stop the counting in Minnesota, it is outside the SC.
How in the world do you think there is not a case, when it the meaning of "natural born Citizen" clearly makes Obama ineligible, due to his foreigh father?
How do you not see that Obama is fictitious and that the actual Constitution hangs in the balance?
They intervened precicely because a lower court (FL Supreme) violated its jurisdiction. That is what the SCOTUS does. I suggest reading more about it, if you need to go beyond that basic fact.
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