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Border Patrol shot at with automatic weapons while uncovering new smuggling tacticís
BorderFireReport ^ | 12/18/08 | Michael Webster, Syndicated Investigative Reporter

Posted on 12/18/2008 12:03:38 PM PST by Sammy67

By Michael Webster, Syndicated Investigative Reporter Early this month U.S. Border Patrol agents from the Tucson, Ariz. sector and agents of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were again fired upon with what appeared to be military type automatic weapons by Mexican drug smugglers dressed in military garb. Agents after observing a Flatbed tow truck on the Mexican side of the U.S. Mexican border backed up to the new international border fence. According to witnesses the tow truck backed up on a newly constructed earthen dirt berm which put the truck almost even with the height of the fence. The tow truck operator slowly unloaded two trucks laden with marijuana over the 18 ft. high fence to the U.S. side of the border. The entire episode was caught on the remote camera surveillance system and watched by U.S. predator and National Guard camera operators who were able to coordinate Border Patrol field agents to the scene. Shortly after arriving several Border Patrol agents came under fire after

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1 posted on 12/18/2008 12:03:39 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67
I didn't believe it so I had to check.

The actual title DOES use "tactic's" with an apostrophe.

First rate journalism, that.

2 posted on 12/18/2008 12:06:52 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: Sammy67

Wow...the source title actually does have that apostrophe in “tactic’s.” Someone needs an editor.


3 posted on 12/18/2008 12:07:41 PM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: Sammy67

Could have easily been solved by dropping a hellfire on them, but hey what do I know.


4 posted on 12/18/2008 12:09:37 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: humblegunner; xjcsa

5 posted on 12/18/2008 12:10:26 PM PST by Constitution Day (Big Brotha Is Watching You)
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To: xjcsa

Borderline reporting?


6 posted on 12/18/2008 12:12:16 PM PST by ducdriver (99% of liberals give the other 1% a bad name.)
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To: Sammy67
Ramos and Compean should be released and given all back pay with a serious apology.

Snipers should be present during as many border related issues as possible and anytime agents are fire upon, they go immediately green.

7 posted on 12/18/2008 12:13:09 PM PST by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: Sammy67

“fired upon with what appeared to be military type automatic weapons by Mexican drug smugglers dressed in military garb”

With some insight, this might read:
“Mexican military smuggling drugs and firing on U.S. Border Patrol.”


8 posted on 12/18/2008 12:13:35 PM PST by G Larry (Barack’s character has been molded by extremists)
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To: Sammy67
a newly constructed earthen dirt berm

Is there any other kind of dirt berm than the 'earthen' kind?

9 posted on 12/18/2008 12:15:16 PM PST by r9etb
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To: domenad
Could have easily been solved by dropping a hellfire on them, but hey what do I know.

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Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion ; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Sounds like a good idea to me!

10 posted on 12/18/2008 12:15:30 PM PST by Loud Mime ("Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato)
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To: Sammy67

“Smugglers”, hell.

It was probably the Mexican Army!

Oh, wait... the terms are synonymous...


11 posted on 12/18/2008 12:17:10 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sammy67

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 17, 2008
The threat that is Mexico has FINALLY hit the media!

You know it’s BAD, when they finally report it. Last night, CBS Nightly News with Couric did a solid 10 minutes on the WAR in MEXICO that has NOW spilled over our borders.....More deaths than Iraq....more beheadings (even showed the bodies!)....5th journalist killed this year....citizens in terror...and ALL the stuff we’ve been crying about for how many years??

Well, McCain, et al’s PC immigration experiment has finally left us with what I believe is a terrible dilemma. We will be overrun with an exodus from Mexico like nothing this nation has ever seen. We will either take them or we will be forced to send troops to Mexico to work along side a corrupt army and police.

One way or another a lot of people are going to die over some people’s greed/ideology.

WATCH THE VIDEO!

http://www.cbsnews.com/

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4672298n
AND even Associated Press suddenly ‘gets it’

Mexican drug smugglers pose top crime threat
Associated Press
Dec. 15, 2008, 6:34PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6166344.html

WASHINGTON — Mexican drug traffickers who pair up with gangs and use a sophisticated network to smuggle drugs across the border have become the biggest organized crime threat to the United States, the Justice Department reported Monday.

Most of the cocaine available in the U.S. is brought across the southwest border by Mexican groups, according to the annual report by the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center.

Additionally, Mexican drug smugglers are increasingly working with Italian Mafia and other traditional organized crime groups nationwide, the report says.

“Mexican drug trafficking organizations represent the greatest organized crime threat to the United States,” the report concluded. “The influence of Mexican drug trafficking organizations over domestic drug trafficking is unrivaled.”.[snip]

MORE:
Unruly Passenger Forces Emergency Landing
A JetBlue flight headed from New York to Burbank was forced to make an emergency landing in Salt Lake City late Monday night (Illegal Alien......)

Air travel.....and this today about rail travel...

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/12/15/heightened-awareness-recommended-for-railways-operating-along-the-us-mexico-border/

GlobalIncidentMap.com Recommends Heightened Awareness For Railways Operating Along The US-Mexico Border

“Based on information from trusted Law Enforcement sources, we are recommending a heightened state of awareness for all railway operations along the USA-Mexico border, based on recent threats and observed activity”

Heightened Awareness Recommended For Railways Operating Along The US-Mexico Border
Submitted by national on Monday, 15 December 2008
Note: Special thanks for much of this information
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12 posted on 12/18/2008 12:17:25 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Sammy67

13 posted on 12/18/2008 12:17:27 PM PST by TonyStark
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To: r9etb

I suppose you could use dirt from another planet. Let’s ask John Kerry, he’s not of this earth.


14 posted on 12/18/2008 12:18:49 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS; gubamyster; All

Gunmen open fire in Tijuana attorney general’s office
BY MARIANA MARTINEZ
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/817487.html

Gunmen opened fire in the state attorney general’s office in Tijuana on Wednesday, wounding three agents, police said.

One of the state officers was in serious condition after the 1:30 a.m. attack, a news release from the Tijuana police department said.

City police said they had no further details, and the Baja California state attorney general’s office declined to comment.

Drug gangs have raided police offices in the past to rescue members in custody. Some have even invaded hospitals to kill wounded rivals.[snip]


15 posted on 12/18/2008 12:19:16 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Sammy67
backed up on a newly constructed earthen dirt berm which put the truck almost even with the height of the fence. The tow truck operator slowly unloaded two trucks laden with marijuana over the 18 ft. high fence

Did no one previously notice them building a dirt berm tall enough to hand stuff over an 18 foot fence?!?!?

16 posted on 12/18/2008 12:19:30 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: r9etb

Is this not a “double fence” with a no-man’s land in between?

Who would be dumb enough to build a single fence and expect it to actually keep anyone out?


17 posted on 12/18/2008 12:20:54 PM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: AuntB

The last time I opened fire in an attorney general’s office I got in BIG trouble.

I guess that just illustrates one of the major differences between our two countries.

;^)


18 posted on 12/18/2008 12:21:17 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Sammy67
The entire episode was caught on the remote camera surveillance system and watched by U.S. predator and National Guard camera operators

That's nice, but it sound like we need A10's.

19 posted on 12/18/2008 12:21:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: thackney

Has noone figured out that digging a ditch on our side of the fence would stop a lot of this? They can lift things over the fence all day, but if it can’t cross the ditch, they are out of luck.


20 posted on 12/18/2008 12:24:03 PM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: Moonman62

A Predator drone could handle it, couldn’t it?


21 posted on 12/18/2008 12:24:40 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: mad puppy

No wayyyy ,,, those Ramos and Campeon, they shot at an unarmed man. Apparently he is the *only* drug smuggler in the middle of the mexican drug way who is non violent and hates guns.
And we are sure he was unarmed,,, when they talked to him months later, they asked if he had a gun that night and he SWORE that he didnt. Even under oath!

I cant believe you guys doubt the word of a mexican cartel mule, months after the fact, youre so jaded!


22 posted on 12/18/2008 12:26:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Sammy67

We should use armed Predator’s (intended) to guard the border.


23 posted on 12/18/2008 12:26:32 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: thackney

“Did no one previously notice them building a dirt berm tall enough to hand stuff over an 18 foot fence?!?!?”

A bulldozer is the only way you could build it quickly. 18 feet (two stories) seems awfully high to build quickly with a bulldozer.


24 posted on 12/18/2008 12:26:48 PM PST by Brookhaven (The Fair Tax is THE economic litmus test for conservatives)
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To: Sammy67
Does the Mex national government promote illegal entry into the U.S. partly because they fear being killed or overthrown by the drug lords? That would slow down those "enforcement" reflexes, wouldn't it? Even without the remittance money from illegals being mailed and transferred from the U.S. to Mexico.

The payoffs and threats from the drug lords may dwarf mere GNP considerations. It looks like a contingent of the army is "bought" as well. Considering how many "no-go" areas of Mexico there are now, I just wouldn't be surprised.

25 posted on 12/18/2008 12:26:54 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: TonyStark
¡Izquierdo, izquierdo, derecho, izquierdo!

¿La mama, mama puede usted ver?

¡Qué el ejército ha hecho a mí!
26 posted on 12/18/2008 12:27:39 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot (No better friend, no worse enemy)
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To: WayneS

Several years ago, the State Asst Governor was gunned down on the Toll Road between Ensenada and Tijuana, near the movie Studios where they shot Master and Commander/Titannic.


27 posted on 12/18/2008 12:29:12 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: WayneS

It probably could, but I like A10’s and the sight of one would probably give them coronaries and deter others.


28 posted on 12/18/2008 12:35:44 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Better throw the Border Patrol Agent in jail, freakin racist ...


29 posted on 12/18/2008 12:36:54 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Brookhaven
Is this not a “double fence” with a no-man’s land in between? Who would be dumb enough to build a single fence and expect it to actually keep anyone out?

Actually, this episode highlights two sorts of stupidity. First, it shows that a fence is most likely ineffective in the first place, whether single or double. The time required to build an "earthen dirt berm" of the size required to accomplish their tactics was not insignificant: it took hours or even days.

Second, however, despite their obviously enterprising attitude, the stupidity of the smugglers cannot be overstated. If they've got earth-movers big enough to build this berm in a timely manner, why not just use them to drive through the fence?

On second thought, perhaps the smugglers weren't so stupid after all. Nothing better than an eye-catching display like this to distract attention from the real crossing point....

The smugglers know, after all, that it's a lot easier for them to pick their crossing spots, than for the Border Patrol to handle them.

30 posted on 12/18/2008 12:37:09 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Sammy67

This looks like an invasion to me. How about an airborne response next time - at least it will keep the Mexican Army from having to torch the vehicles...
I say we take a chapter from the Israel border enforcement on the Gaza Strip.


31 posted on 12/18/2008 12:40:33 PM PST by texrepub76
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To: r9etb
Is there any other kind of dirt berm than the 'earthen' kind?

Trash berm?

32 posted on 12/18/2008 12:40:36 PM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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To: r9etb

“Is there any other kind of dirt berm than the ‘earthen’ kind? “

You sod! Don’t soil yourself fretting over the difference between earth and dirt!


33 posted on 12/18/2008 12:45:53 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: r9etb
First, it shows that a fence is most likely ineffective in the first place, whether single or double.

Fencing cannot be 100% effective, but it is a significant improvement. The builders of the 'better mousetrap' have to be people of significant means. If the fence isn't 100% effective at stopping drug smugglers, it's pretty good at slowing them and probably really effective at stopping jumpers(especially those with families in tow.)
If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

34 posted on 12/18/2008 12:46:14 PM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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To: Sammy67

I’m not sure, but I think this website’s assault on the English language might be more destructive than the waves of illegal immigrants and bilingual education combined.


35 posted on 12/18/2008 12:46:41 PM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: Sammy67

Another war we are in but which we don’t fight.

If we just ripped the hell out of some of these vehicles, they might get the message. Oh, and if the people happen to be too close, oops!


36 posted on 12/18/2008 12:58:03 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Moonman62

You got THAT right!

The Warthog is a scary critter.


37 posted on 12/18/2008 12:59:36 PM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: MovementConservative
If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

Ok, let's grant that for the sake of argument. And by the same token, if you wanted to deal with illegal immigration you would ... what?

Following on your approach with drugs, wouldn't one way to handle illegal immigration be to regulate cross-border labor in a manner that makes illegal border-crossing not worth the trouble....?

At any rate, you didn't mention that illegal immigration or illegal drugs are nothing more than folks acting to meet a demand that exists north of the border. The driver for both problems is Americans who are willing to pay for illegal stuff -- be it drugs or labor. Deal with the demand side, and the supply side takes care of itself....

38 posted on 12/18/2008 1:22:24 PM PST by r9etb
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To: MovementConservative
If we wanted to cripple the Mexican drug cartels, we'd have to cut their main source of funds. That would mean decriminalizing and regulating marijuana.

All drugs should be available in the marketplace. The only problem is those on the payroll for the WOD, (the real reason for the WOD being the payroll), are not going to give up their hold on the taxpayers money.

39 posted on 12/18/2008 1:26:59 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


40 posted on 12/18/2008 1:28:42 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Brookhaven
Its not, it is designed to slow down those that try and enter. . .to allow time for the BP to arrive.

No fence is able to keep a determined person willing to take risks and use ingenuity. Look at the Berlin Wall, people escaped through that death trap right up to it being torn down. Most attempted escapees were caught by the guards, with some killed, with few actually making it.

So, basically, raising the border fence bar (so to speak) to include keeping people out. . .period. . .is unreasonable.

41 posted on 12/18/2008 1:32:43 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Sammy67

The drone can find a tow truck with cargo but not detect the earth moving equipment building an 18 foot berm at the fence? Somebodies being paid to look the other way and/or alter evidence and records.
Post #1894355 from last year comes to mind. Was about Blackhawks being deployed after drones spotted illegals.


42 posted on 12/18/2008 1:40:21 PM PST by Old Flat Toad (Pima county- Home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: Sammy67
Couple this with the other story about the gang war using weapons acquired in the United States. I don't think so. Full auto weapons are nearly impossible to obtain and exceedingly expensive when you can find them via legal channels. It's more likely the corrupt Mexican government supplying firearms to their "friends" in the cartels.
43 posted on 12/18/2008 1:46:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: r9etb
At any rate, you didn't mention that illegal immigration or illegal drugs are nothing more than folks acting to meet a demand that exists north of the border. The driver for both problems is Americans who are willing to pay for illegal stuff -- be it drugs or labor. Deal with the demand side, and the supply side takes care of itself....

Why? I don't understand why you are asking me this. Of course I believe in hunger as a great motivator. That's why I believe all these Mexicans are willing to bust their arses picking berries and doing janitorial work.
I have no solution for dealing with the demand side. I don't believe the US is willing to do take the steps that would make it so that people will take the jobs(picking berries, srubbing floors) that would halt the demand for more cheap labor. People would rather the social safety net catch them.

44 posted on 12/18/2008 1:59:38 PM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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To: humblegunner
First rate journalism, that.

It's unfortunate that the word "journalism" has nearly become synonymous with the word "shoddy".

45 posted on 12/18/2008 2:02:16 PM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: Old Flat Toad
That is what the SBInet is supposed to address, among other issues. SBInet includes steps taken to monitor beyond the border, the catch them before they can set up.
46 posted on 12/18/2008 2:11:07 PM PST by Hulka
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To: MovementConservative
Why? I don't understand why you are asking me this.

Well, you offered legalization of marijuana as a means of relieving border pressure with respect to drug traffic ... I was just extrapolating to the ostensible "real" reason for the concern over border security.

I was also pointing out there there is more than one way to manage the issue.

47 posted on 12/18/2008 3:20:51 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Sammy67

Tancredo for president.


48 posted on 12/18/2008 3:25:03 PM PST by Marauder ("I won't be wronged, I won't be lied to, and I won't be laid a hand on." - J.B. Books)
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To: Sammy67; HiJinx; Borax Queen; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; ...

Border/Drugs/Drug War-Lords PING


49 posted on 12/18/2008 3:27:26 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Thanks for the ping.


50 posted on 12/18/2008 3:52:43 PM PST by GOPJ (Gun Control-:- like trying to control stray dogs by neutering veterinarians.- G. Jonas)
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