Hey, it Worked for the Nazis!

I am no jurist and, I’ll admit, I may be reading too much into Judge Scoles’ specific ruling. However, gentle reader, the language used by the honorable judge has certainly raised my eyebrows. Does His Honor really mean to imply that, as a Jew, Mr. Rubashkin is a bigger flight risk than if he were not a Jew?!?!? I wonder if this very Honorable judge would have thought, for example, of making a ruling denying bail to some Imam whose pronouncements were too incendiary for inciting to shed infidels’ blood? Don’t you think that CAIR, ISNA, ICNA and others would rightfully and indignantly picket the honorable judge’s home and courtroom. Perhaps in some Muslim capital His Honor would be burned in effigy while our embassy would be attacked by some unruly mob defending the honor of the Prophet (PBUH!). Hmmmmmnnn….

I think it’s more related to the “no extradition from Israel” policy.

We had an example in the Washington DC area about 10 years ago with Samuel Sheinbein who committed a murder at age 17 and fled to Israel and who would not be extradited to Maryland to stand trial. I recall that something was ultimately worked out where he served some time in an Israeli prison, but the details have escaped my memory.

It may also be that extradition from Israel to the US has improved since the Sheinbein case, but this case was really a sore point around the DC area.

Jack

On September 9, 2008, Rubashkin, along with his father, Agriprocessors and two other managers were each charged with more than 9,000 violations of child labor laws.

On October 30, 2008 Rubashkin was arrested on federal conspiracy charges of harboring illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft. The same day, after making an initial court appearance, he was released on the following conditions: He must wear an ankle bracelet that tracks his movement, limit his travel to northern Iowa, surrender his passport and his wife's passport and provide a $1 million appearance bond.

Rubashkin was arrested again on November 13, 2008 at his Postville home on Federal charges of bank fraud. These new charges were due to the fact that under his direction millions of dollars that were supposed to be deposited in an account as collateral for a loan were fraudently diverted to another account, and were used to fraudulently increase the value of Agriprocessors accounts receivable. After the money was diverted Rubashkin ordered the records of these transactions removed from company computers. Rubashkin now faces up to 30 years in prison on these new charges.

Apparently some folks think this idiot should have been on a plane over the atlantic before we consider he might be a flight risk. After all, just because at least one of his co defendants has fled the country doesn't mean he would. Never mind the fact that he's a habitual offender who is an obvious flight risk.

Tough noogies Shalom. The judge could have been more carefull about his words but the poor me line isn't going to fly and neither are you.

First of all, in the Sheinbein case, there was a possibility that the New Jersey creep would get the death penalty, at the time. Like with most countries (in Europe, Asia, Latin America and so on) Israel does not extradite where there is a possibility of the death penalty being applied. You can easily check this out.

There is currently a strong extradition law in place between Israel and the US. You can easily check this out.

According to the latest “law of return” Jewish criminals cannot claim sanctuary in Israel. You can easily check this out.

Remember Meyer Lansky? Even before there was an extradition treaty with the US, Israel kicked him out. You can easily check this out.

First, of all Rubishkin wasn’t really hiring these aliens, he was helping them to sneak into the US. Many only worked there 2 weeks, others NEVER worked there. He was robbing the immigrants too.

Second, do a google of “criminal flees to israel” and you get lots of hits. Here is an example:

Abramoff duo quits U.S. [flees to Israel to avoid subpoena]

by Josephine Hearn
The Hill
Jul 13, 2005
Two former associates of Jack Abramoff, the embattled lobbyist, left the country Monday night en route to a new life in Israel. The relocation comes as a Justice Department taskforce presses forward with an investigation into potential criminal wrongdoing stemming from Abramoff’s business dealings.

Sam Hook and his wife Shana Tesler both worked with Abramoff at the law firm, Greenberg Traurig. Hook served as the registered agent for Grassroots Interactive, a lobbying venture tied to Abramoff that has reportedly been subpoenaed by the Justice Department taskforce.

Tesler, a lawyer, worked with Abramoff at Greenberg Traurig and then followed him to the lobbying firm, Cassidy & Associates, after he was ousted from Greenberg following news reports of his questionable dealings with Indian gaming tribes.

I don’t want to pay to extradite this idiot back here if he flees. As it is, one of his co defendants is already in Israel and if he’s going to be extradited back it’s going to cost the taxpayers as well.

After all extradition takes time and plenty of money.

The guy is scum. Who cares if he is Jewish or not or why he was denied bail

I would not talk too much, you already made your feelings about Jews quite obvious on response #19 to the post I've alluded to.

Personally I’d be happy if they just left the country since that would be the cheapest route but most see that as a crime unpunished.

Your current comment only reinforces what most of us already suspected. You are also contradicting yourself here...

The point is not whether the judge is wrong in not allowing bail. The point which you, for all too obvious reasons, refuse to understand is that singling out Rubashkin because he is a Jew IS WRONG!!! Were I the judge I would not have allowed bail either and not because the culprit is a Jew!

Tough noogies Shalom.

My name is not Shalom, creep... err.. I mean cripplecreek, sorry...

Personally I’d be happy if they just left the country since that would be the cheapest route but most see that as a crime unpunished.

Yep I said excactly those words about the criminals

Your current comment only reinforces what most of us already suspected. You are also contradicting yourself here...

You sir, are a liar and a coward.

You sir, are a liar and a coward.

Quoting your own words, makes ME a coward and a liar?!?!?

You obviously have no counterargument, so you have to resort to invective. You are merely reinforcing my original impressions!

Personally, I have no problem with everyone of these culprits rotting in jail, until they have paid for their crime. My problem is simply with the judge saying this guy being a Jew is the reason for denying bail! Got that?

He sounds like your pal, since you said you'd rather he flee. Having said that, I realize you'd never pal around with a Jew.

If you'd stop for a moment and read what I said, if you are capable of using the gray matter that is in your brain (there is gray matter in your brain, right? Or am I wrong in assuming that?!?!?) I couldn't care less about Rubashkin. I only object to a judge using the criminal's ethnicity or religion which is immaterial to the crime committed

Be my guest, continue cackling, I expect it from you.

Sheinbein and his friend Aaron Needle committed the murder in Maryland, not NJ. From what I remember and a quick bit of research, the death penalty was not an issue. And, if it was, it could have been taken care of by the standard arrangement used with Mexico and Canada and other countries, where the prosecutor agrees not to seek the death penalty. (Needle committed suicide in a US jail, don’t know if it was pre- or post-conviction, however.)

I’m not an expert on the subject but the Sheinbein case seems to have lead to some improvements in extradition, whereby upon conviction the sentence is served in an Israeli prison. Sheinbein is serving more than 20 years, so that’s likely as much as he would have gotten in Maryland.

That’s probably an acceptable compromise, but it’s less cooperation than the US receives, for example, from Canada or the UK or even Mexico. Of course it is the case that quite often an alien criminal will serve the sentence in a prison in his native country, on humanitarian grounds, but it’s not a right.

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