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If You Want To Say The Pledge of Allegiance, You'll Have to Leave the Room
The Patriot Room ^ | November 19, 2008 | Bill Dupray

Posted on 11/19/2008 8:06:01 AM PST by Bill Dupray

It seems that the Commies in Vermont don’t want to embarrass kids who don’t want to say the Pledge, so they make the ones who do, leave the room.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2therepublic; 4therepublic; 4whichitstood; children; pledgeofallegiance; school; vermont

1 posted on 11/19/2008 8:06:03 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray

Let them leave the room, then
In fact, let them leave period
What are they-the ones whose parents voted for McCain?
s-a-r-c?


2 posted on 11/19/2008 8:08:44 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Bill Dupray
If You Want To Say The Pledge of Allegiance, You'll Have to Leave the Room

Good Bye, America. We hardly knew ye.

3 posted on 11/19/2008 8:08:57 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Bill Dupray

The Supreme Court decision required schools to allow students to “opt out” of reciting the Pledge.

It did NOT allow schools to require students to “opt in”.

What this school is doing is unconstitutional. Where is the ACLU when you need them, eh?


4 posted on 11/19/2008 8:09:53 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Bill Dupray

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


5 posted on 11/19/2008 8:10:16 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Bill Dupray

I am sick of these atheist leftist loons the first amendment does not give them the right to prevent others from speaking


6 posted on 11/19/2008 8:11:02 AM PST by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: Bill Dupray

No. Make me. I will sue.


7 posted on 11/19/2008 8:11:05 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: WayneS

Nonsense. There is no prohibition against requiring opt-in for an activity.


8 posted on 11/19/2008 8:11:32 AM PST by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: Bill Dupray

...don’t say it, wear on a t-shirt!


9 posted on 11/19/2008 8:12:25 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: edzo4

we need to fly them all to cuba


10 posted on 11/19/2008 8:12:31 AM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: edzo4

Their problem is “to the Republic, for which it stands.”

The “one nation, under Obama” does not bother them.


11 posted on 11/19/2008 8:12:59 AM PST by Loud Mime (Good is Evil and Evil is now good. The alarm has rung.)
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To: Bill Dupray
How funny. Where will they go? Is there some big auditorium out there? Oh funny if all the kids but one leave the classroom, I think that would put the spotlight on that one kid. This is so ridiculous but it happens everywhere. I was on base at the base theater and some punk active duty guys (I am active duty as well so I know not everyone is perfect) did not stand up to respect the National Anthem. Everyone yelled for them to stand up...lol. It happens everywhere.
12 posted on 11/19/2008 8:13:48 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Bill Dupray

When my daughter was 3, we had to stop at every US flag while she saluted and recited the Pledge...

Her daughter, 5, loves the flag and loves visiting the “City of Flags”, (Washington’s Monument, etc in DC)


13 posted on 11/19/2008 8:13:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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.

Drop all federal funding from that district immediately.

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14 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:08 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: Bill Dupray

its a Vermont thing.

They should join Quebec, then when Quebec becomes part of France, the Vermonteers will be where they need to be. Then the can all sing La Marseillaise before class starts...


15 posted on 11/19/2008 8:14:10 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Bill Dupray

Ain’t that sumptin’? Years ago:

If you didn’t want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the national anthem, you were disciplined and people thought you were strange.

You could go into a drug store and say, “Give me a pack of Marlboros,” and whisper softly, “Where’s your condoms?”

Nowadays, you shout “Give me a pack of condoms,” and whisper softly, “Where’s your cigarettes?”

Yep, and with our new fearless leader who won’t sing our anthem or wear a U.S. flag pin, we’re all in trouble.


16 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:11 AM PST by laweeks
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To: television is just wrong

the part of cuba where the people are mistreated and it should be closed, or gitmo?


17 posted on 11/19/2008 8:15:50 AM PST by edzo4 (NoBama 2012)
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To: edzo4

the part of cuba where the people are mistreated and it should be closed, or gitmo?

works for me.


18 posted on 11/19/2008 8:17:47 AM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: steve-b

Thank you.

You are correct... for once.


19 posted on 11/19/2008 8:17:50 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Bill Dupray

The rights of the few outweigh the rights of the many?


20 posted on 11/19/2008 8:18:54 AM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: Bill Dupray

Boycott the bear.

21 posted on 11/19/2008 8:19:00 AM PST by DogBarkTree (Sometimes you have to let it go in order to get a Grip.)
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To: Bill Dupray

I scoffed when I heard about the upcoming so-called “balkanization” of the Unites States. Now I am not so sure.


22 posted on 11/19/2008 8:21:29 AM PST by Commander X (Liberalism: Spurring the decay of the USA)
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To: Doogle

Sadly,I could see this country dividing like India and
Pakistan along red and blue lines.


23 posted on 11/19/2008 8:23:20 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Bill Dupray

NO NO NO,,, the way to stop these assaults it to fight back.
Some brave child, with the full backing of their parents, needs to stand up IN CLASS and start to say the pledge, with as many friends as will join them.

Parents need to be visible across the street to intervene when the school turns on the kids.

People need to organize against the school board members.
We need to start the counter-revolution against the leftists. For too long we have headed to the gym as ordered. Time to refuse and to do it our way, just like them.


24 posted on 11/19/2008 8:26:27 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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Coincidentally, in another type of classroom......


25 posted on 11/19/2008 8:29:42 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: DesertRhino
or wear a t-shirt, then when the school disciplines him ...sue!
26 posted on 11/19/2008 8:31:13 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Tennessee Nana
"When my daughter was 3, we had to stop at every US flag while she saluted and recited the Pledge...

Her daughter, 5, loves the flag and loves visiting the “City of Flags”, (Washington’s Monument, etc in DC)"

~Thank you for that. You are very fortunate.

27 posted on 11/19/2008 8:32:38 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: DesertRhino

A lot of this stuff is a lost cause in places like Vermont. They elect an admitted Socialist to the U.S. Senate. You could go to one of these towns and literally never meet a person that you considered logical, rational, or patriotic. I was raised next door in Massachusetts (having since escaped to Virginia) and believe me, sometimes it is like living in a foreign country.


28 posted on 11/19/2008 8:34:12 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: napscoordinator
I was on base at the base theater and some punk active duty guys (I am active duty as well so I know not everyone is perfect) did not stand up to respect the National Anthem. Everyone yelled for them to stand up...lol. It happens everywhere.

Did an NCO, or Officer write them up for "conduct unbecoming a member of the Armed Forces"? At the very least, an NCO should have hauled them outside, locked them to attention, and read them the riot act.

29 posted on 11/19/2008 8:35:10 AM PST by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: napscoordinator

“How funny. Where will they go”?

...they can step outside into the 20 degree weather with the smokers.


30 posted on 11/19/2008 8:40:27 AM PST by albie
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To: Bill Dupray

I wonder if that will work in Texas........(or are they already doing that now?)


31 posted on 11/19/2008 8:42:19 AM PST by FrankCastle214
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To: Bill Dupray

The John Birch Society used to have this saying, “A Republic, NOT a democracy.” I used to think it was a silly point, but now I get it...Now that it’s too late. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America, the USSA.


32 posted on 11/19/2008 8:43:11 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Bill Dupray
I've never understood the emphasis on requiring children to recite pledges of any kind. They don't understand what they're saying nor the significance of the words. Better to teach them why their country deserves love and allegiance and let them hold it in their hearts rather than wear it on their sleeves.

I'm not sure exactly what is the goal. For those who truly have “allegiance” to their country is it to let everyone else know in a very public way? Is it to identify those that don't so they can be harassed?

Forcing/pressuring someone to do this in public who may be uncomfortable or doesn't understand will only lead to enmity, bitterness and possibly reprisal. Love, or allegiance, to country will be proved in someones actions, not in chanting phrases in public.

It reminds me of what Jesus said about charity in that it should be done in private. Those that do so publicly are interested in something far less noble than helping those in need. My question is what is the interest of people who insist on public displays of patriotism?

33 posted on 11/19/2008 8:47:46 AM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: Bill Dupray

I know you’re right,,, and the NO NO No wasnt aimed at you,, but at the people who force this.

I know we can’t change them philosophically. All we can do is have carefully planned guerilla attacks that are calculated to extract the maximum in embarrassment from them, then hide back inside our spider holes.

We need to carefully plan and do things that force them into the role of publicly bullying people innocently exercising their rights. And like them,, someone needs to shoot video of the oppression. Let them see you do it. They need to face the bullying they have dished out unanswered for 20 years.

Now that i think of it,, FR was a pioneer in this.


34 posted on 11/19/2008 8:48:05 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Bob J

And i agree with you,,
my reason for spupporting it has more to do with the fact that the school is making it’s anti-americanism a point of pride.

I read about Pappy Boyington almost getting in a fight in 1941 at a football game because he didnt know one of the rituals such as standing or something, surrounding the playing of “America the Beautiful”.

He had been in China with the flying tigers when the song became popular.


35 posted on 11/19/2008 8:56:12 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: DesertRhino

“my reason for spupporting it has more to do with the fact that the school is making it’s anti-americanism a point of pride.’

I didn’t get that from the story. Can you show me where they we’re anti-American and how it was a point of pride?


36 posted on 11/19/2008 9:00:48 AM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: DesertRhino

I like that.


37 posted on 11/19/2008 9:01:45 AM PST by Bill Dupray
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To: Bill Dupray

This is a national disgrace. I’m appalled that these “educators” don’t believe that young people don’t owe any allegiance to their country.


38 posted on 11/19/2008 9:17:58 AM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: Bill Dupray
I don't understand why conservatives always rush to the defense of the pledge of allegiance, a loyalty oath written by a socialist to indoctrinate children in the love of the welfare state (complete with the classic Roman salute).

Even the words of the pledge are chilling. "One nation, indivisible"? I guess our secessionist founding fathers weren't very patriotic.
39 posted on 11/19/2008 9:53:38 AM PST by UncleDick (Sola fide)
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To: Welcome2thejungle

HA good tagline!


40 posted on 11/19/2008 10:41:44 AM PST by VanillaBlizzard (Welcome to the USSA (United Socialist States of America))
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To: UncleDick

I agree with you, UncleDick. I don’t much believe in pledging loyalty to a flag or a country. I pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all, wherever they can be found. The USA, our government, and even our flag, all can morph, devolve, and change.


41 posted on 11/19/2008 10:51:15 AM PST by shempy
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To: shempy

Agreed. If one must pledge than pledge to the underlying principles that make this nation one deserving of admiration.

Question for the pledge humpers...if Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Hillary make a cesspool of this once great nation, will you still demand oral, public allegiance from all on a daily basis?


42 posted on 11/19/2008 2:02:01 PM PST by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one strikes at it's root.)
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To: Bill Dupray

We NEVER ‘banned’ the pledge from our classrooms!

Here is the official press release from our School Board. Our School Board Chair is a Christian Conservative who homeschooled her children and lobbies the Vermont legislature for school choice.

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Press Release
Friday, November 21, 2008
12:00 pm EST
From: Woodbury, Vermont School Board
RE: The Pledge of Allegiance
**************

WOODBURY, VERMONT: The Woodbury School Board members wish to make a statement regarding the misinformation in the media about the situation
related to the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in the Woodbury
Elementary School.

-— It has been the tradition at Woodbury Elementary School for more than
ten years to recite the Pledge at the weekly school assembly. At some point
in the previous school year, the Pledge was dropped from the meeting. This
was not intentional, but an oversight due to scheduling conflicts in the
weekly assembly. When the situation was brought to the attention of the
Principal, the weekly recitation was returned to the weekly school meeting.

-— A petition signed by over 300 registered voters in Woodbury requested
that the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance “.be made part of the school
day routine.” The Board asked the school staff to come up with a way to
comply with the desire of the community, which they did.

-— Currently, the whole school community (consisting of 55 children plus
teachers) assembles each morning in a large foyer connecting the four
classrooms of the school. As the children stand, a sixth grader is in
charge of reading the announcements and leading the Pledge. The students
remain in the foyer for recitation of the Pledge and then step back into
their classrooms after the Pledge has been recited. Those children and
teachers with a religious or philosophical belief that makes recitation of
the Pledge a violation of their conscience have the option to abstain from
the recitation.

-— The Pledge has not been “banned” from the classroom, nor has “under
God” been banned. The board has now voted twice to support the decision of
the staff to incorporate recitation of the pledge into the school day
routine as requested by the petition. At this point, the staff has chosen
to have the 55 students at Woodbury Elementary School recite the Pledge as a
community (as it has traditionally been done) rather than in their
individual classrooms.

-— This conversation has never been about should the Pledge be said, but
about how often and where it should be said. The Pledge is now said on a
daily basis in the Woodbury Elementary School and there is overwhelming
support among parents and students for this current arrangement.

**************
Contact:
Retta Dunlap, chair of board
PO BOX 72
Woodbury, VT 05681


43 posted on 11/21/2008 10:06:45 AM PST by A Woodbury Parent (Woodbury Vermont IS American!)
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