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A Chronology Of Obama's Statements On Bill Ayers
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Posted on 10/15/2008 4:59:20 PM PDT by hecht

A Chronology Of Obama's Statements On Bill Ayers

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Barack Hussein Obama and Osama bin Laden have two things in common. One is that they both have Muslim sounding names and the other is that they both have friends who bombed the Pentagon and targets in New York City. The MSM has been all over Senator McCain for his latest Obama/Ayers ad. The big Objection has been the fact that the ad says that Obama lied about Ayers. Fact check found this claim to be untrue. But of course Fact Check is own by the Annenberg Center. If the name sounds familiar, Obama and Ayers worked together on the Annenberg Foundation, a cousin of Fact Check. But the answer to the question did Obama lie about Ayers can only be answered by an examination of the Chronology of the Illinois Jr. Senator's statements on Ayers. They show that McCain is being truthful and Fact Check's bias is showing. See Below:

Barack Obama's Pattern of False Statements on Bill Ayers Monday , October 13, 2008 By John R. Lott, Jr. The media is ferociously attacking the McCain campaign’s new Web-based ad linking Barack Obama and Bill Ayers. The ad is very short: Obama's blind ambition. When convenient, he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers. When discovered, he lied. Obama. Blind ambition. Bad judgment. Congressional liberals fought for risky subprime loans. Congressional liberals fought against more regulation. Then, the housing market collapsed costing you billions. In crisis, we need leadership, not bad judgment.

A second longer ad released on the Web at the same time continues this point and argues:

Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, friends. They have worked together for years, but Obama tries to hide it, why? . . . Obama's friendship with terrorist Ayers isn't the issue. The issue is Barack Obama's judgment and candor.

The press has focused exclusively on the first ad. Howard Kurtz at the Washington Post writes: “To say that Obama ‘lied’ about his contacts with Ayers, whose Weathermen group conducted bombings when the senator from Illinois was 8 years old, is simply untrue.” Relying heavily on a recent article in the New York Times, Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson with FactCheck.org write: “We find McCain's claim to be groundless. New details have recently come to light, but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false.” The Washington Post Fact Checker came to a similar conclusion.

Not to be outdone, Obama called the ad “smears” and he questioned why McCain “wasn’t willing to say it to my face” during the two previous debates. Obama at least rhetorically ratcheted up the stakes over the relationship between himself and Ayers. However, since no debate questions asked anything related to Ayers or indeed any of Obama’s controversial past relationships, it is not obvious where McCain could have raised the issue.

1) The ABC News Democratic Primary Debate

So what were Obama’s statements on Ayers? Start with Obama’s first statements on Ayers during a Democratic primary debate hosted by ABC News in April. George Stephanopoulos asked Obama to “explain that relationship” with Ayers. Obama responded by saying:

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.

The fact is, is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who during his campaign once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those either.

Obama's claims that “I have not received some official endorsement from” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis” are both wrong. True, Ayers has not publicly endorsed Obama during the current presidential campaign, but Ayers opened his home to Obama very early in his first campaign for the Illinois state Senate and threw a fundraiser for him. Undoubtedly, that counts as some type of official endorsement.

The issue of not exchanging ideas regularly is clearly wrong, too. Ayers and Obama served on two boards together: the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2001 and the Woods Foundation from 1993 to 2002. For the first five years with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Obama served as chairman of the board and handled its fiscal matters. Ayers was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge’s founder and he served as the chairman of the foundation’s other body that set education policy. Since they served together with a foundation that gave out over $100 million to groups that they both generally agreed with, there had to be some regular exchange of and agreement on ideas.

Agreement on views seemed particularly crucial, since Ayers hardly has what most Americans would consider “traditional” views on education. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge gave money to infuse students with a radical political commitment. Just in 2006, Ayers told Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez that, “We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution.” Ayers apparently told an author, who was writing a book on 1960s radicals shortly before the foundation was set up in 1995, that “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist.”

None of the media fact checkers evaluated either of these two claims. Instead, for example, the Washington Post Fact Check focused on whether Ayers was a professor of English or education citing the New York Times story's claim that the "two men do not appear to have been close." Nor do any of these media critics mention Obama’s comparison to Coburn, which makes it appear that the relationship between Ayers and Obama was about as close as senators from different political parties at the opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Yet, there is still another problem with Obama’s statement, one that Hillary Clinton pointed to. She called on Obama during the debate for not being completely forthcoming regarding the relationship and pointed out that Ayers and Obama had worked together.

Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died. . . .

Obama’s response was:

I'm going to have to respond to this just really quickly, but by Senator Clinton's own vetting standards, I don't think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me [interruption] than me serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.

FactCheck.org dismisses any concerns with Obama’s statements here by noting that “nothing Obama said then has since been shown to be false.” As far as Obama not mentioning the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, “neither Clinton nor Stephanopoulos asked him about that project” so “it is false to claim he ‘lied.’" Presumably, FactCheck.org believes that argument also applies to Obama not being forthcoming that they worked together in his original answer even though the question was to “explain that relationship.”

Despite FactCheck.org’s claims to the contrary, many academics would disagree that the Challenge reflected “mainstream thinking” about education. Professor Larry Kenny at the University of Florida notes that economists would take a quite different approach. Kenny said that, “economists studying education have stressed the important role of providing faculty and students with incentives to learn more.”

FactCheck.org relies on the New York Times count of the number of formal board meetings that Ayers and Obama attended for the Challenge, but ignores Stanley Kurtz’s research showing that the records were apparently far from complete. Nor the Challenge’s own memos showing that the Challenge was a “Founder-Led Foundation,” so that Obama was really an employee of Ayers and “effectively running the show.” There are no records of how frequently the two may have meet outside of Board meetings to discuss what the Foundation was doing.

Multiple calls to Michael Dobbs, Howard Kurtz and Viveca Novak for questions on their analyses were not returned. Brooks Jackson was reached by telephone, but he declined to comment when asked whether the help in fundraising and donations given by Ayers to Obama when he ran for the state Senate constituted some form of an endorsement.

2) Other quotes on Obama's relationship with Ayers

-- "Did Barack Obama know that William Ayers was a terrorist when Ayers introduced him to Chicago Politics in 1995?" former congressman and MSNBC anchor Joe Scarborough asked him.

"The answer is still [that] he didn't," Gibbs replied. "And that's what [David Axelrod, another spokesman] said yesterday." Discussion on October 7th on MSNBC.

-- “Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was 8 years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated.”talking to radio talk show host Michael Smerconish on October 8th. Obama

Again, neither of these quotes were mentioned by the fact checkers at the Washington Post or FactCheck.org. That Obama didn’t know about Ayers’ criminal history was greeted with skepticism by many, who point out that Ayers' associations were frequently reported on, especially in Chicago where he and his wife Bernardine Dohrn had been active. During the 1990s, when Obama lived in Chicago, dozens of stories on Ayers and his wife ran in newspapers, including The New York Times, USA Today, the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times, a database search reveals.

Ayers and his wife were often the sole focus of the stories. For example, the New York Times ran an in-depth profile of Bernardine Dohrn on Nov. 18, 1993.

Last week, Greta Van Susteren, a FOX News host, summarized the concerns in an interview with Abdon Pallasch, a reporter at the Chicago Sun-Times.

Van Susteren: Well, I guess that raises the question if it's old news and everybody knew it, do we assume that Senator Obama knew it when he had--for instance, when he started having his relationship with him to the extent, whatever it was?

Pallasch: You would think. That's sort of the second phase question now is, well, how come he didn't know it.

Erick Erickson, a blogger at the popular redstate.com, says he thinks Obama should have known.

"And we're really supposed to believe Obama did not know, by 1996, given all the major media coverage of the 1996 Democratic Convention going back to Chicago despite the 1968 riots -- including local and national media interviews with Bill Ayers on the subject -- that Obama did not know? … If Obama really did not know, we must question his fitness to be President."

Finally, why would Obama ever think that William Ayers had been “rehabilitated”? Both Ayers and his wife have very publicly proclaimed many times on national television shows and other venues during the time Obama was working with Ayers that they were not sorry for the bombings “and that we would do it again” and “I didn’t do enough.”

3) A pattern of false statements about controversial acquaintances

Yet, this is not the first time that Obama has gotten into trouble with his associates. Nor is it the first time that he has been accused of not being honest about what he knew about their controversial views. There appears to be a pattern here.

For example, Obama claimed that despite his extremely close personal relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright he was unfamiliar with Wright’s racist and anti-American attacks in his sermons. Indeed, Obama only admitted to have heard what Wright was saying on these topics after Wright’s National Press Club appearance. Yet, nothing really new was said at the National Press Club that hadn’t been discussed nationally months earlier. Still it was only after the National Press Club appearance that Obama said that he was “outraged” and “angered” by Wright’s comments.

But Obama’s two other self-professed spiritual leaders, Father Michael Pfleger and Rev. James Meeks, have also made similar controversial and racist statements.

There is also Obama’s association with ACORN. Obama claims to have "no connection" with this political advocacy group which is facing criminal investigations for voter registration fraud all across the country, but at the same time his campaign gave a related organization $800,000, he was their head lawyer a decade ago, ACORN has endorsed Obama for president and he promised ACORN members in 2007 that he would be “calling all of you to help shape up the agenda” after the election.

Conclusion

Is this bias conscious? How do reporters avoid claims about whether Ayers has endorsed Obama? Or how was Obama being honest when asked to explain his relationship with Ayers and he neglected to mention that he worked for Ayers? Possibly there is a good reason for why the media ignores Obama’s statements from just last week. But whatever the reasons, John McCain is being shortchanged by the coverage.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: ayers; obama

1 posted on 10/15/2008 4:59:20 PM PDT by hecht
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To: hecht

FactCheck is an Annenberg organization.


2 posted on 10/15/2008 5:01:41 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: hecht

They didn’t even mention Axelrods’s first denial lie...their kids went to the same school.
That worked for about 5 minutes until somebody did the math.


3 posted on 10/15/2008 5:08:40 PM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: hecht

Bill POS Ayers BUMP!


4 posted on 10/15/2008 5:22:18 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: hecht

Thanks, great post!
You might compare notes with mine earlier thread on Timeline of Obama’s involvement with radical groups

Excerpt here:

1988- The ABCs Coalition was coordinated by Bill Ayers, whose father was a key member of ABC. Another member of the ABCs was Obama’s Developing Communities Project.. The two must have crossed paths again.

1988- In his “Why Organize?” essay, Obama planned to politically organize “liberationist” black churches. He saw the black church as a slumbering giant in cities like Chicago.

1989 Tom Ayers (father) and William Ayers got Obama a summer job at Sidley & Austin (where he meets Michelle Obama); Ayers’ wife Dohrn also worked there the same time.
April, 1992- Obama, Ayers & Dohrn had their documented public gathering sponsored by the U. of Illinois, Chicago

1992 - Obama graduates from Harvard and returns to Chicago

1992, Obama became director of Project Vote, Illinois.

1992-New Party was founded- a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist officials — mostly Democrats. They want to move the Democratic Party leftward..

1993 Ayers places Obama on Woods Foundation, which gave sizable grants to ACORN, Rev. Wright’s church , etc.
1995 -publishes “Dreams From my father”

1995 Ayers made Obama Chairman of Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC)

1995-1999- Obama served as President of CAC

1999-2001- Obama served as Board of Director, CAC

After CAC closed down, Obama served on a successor group called the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund. Ayers’ brother John and their father Thomas served with Obama. By now, news all over about Ayer’s boasts of his terrorist acts.

1995 Ayers hosts a coffee fundraiser for Obama’s political debut (Obama falsely claims this is when he first met Ayers when he has met him AT LEAST 8 years earlier!) -Chicago Times interview: 10-7-08 Lynn Sweet
Obama’s advisor, Axelrod , claim that Obama did not know Ayers’ history when he went to his home (Fox interviews, Oct. 08). The big problem is Ayers’ associations were frequently reported on, especially in Chicago where he and his wife had been active. During the 1990s, when Obama lived in Chicago, dozens of stories on Ayers and his wife ran in newspapers, including The New York Times, USA Today, the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times, a database search reveals.(Oct. 13, 2008 John Lott, Fox)

1996-Ayers began to contribute money to Obama’s campaign.
How is it possible that Obama in writing two autobiographies could ignore his 13 year-long association with Ayers if he were not purposely trying to hide it?

1996, Ayers played a significant role within the Democratic party in Chicago. Democrats were proud to be allied with him. ( Chicago Tribune, Aug 27, 1996)

David Lytel, who set up President Clinton’s Web site said,” There is a lot of room for different ideas in progressive politics, and we’re proud to be associated with Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers,”
Ayers & , Henry DeZutter consider themselves “The Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party hasn’t gone underground. . . . We’re on the Internet!”

1995- Obama, along with Rev.Wright, helped organize the Farrakhan’s famous Million Man March in DC. Farrakhan is a longtime friend of Wright and comrade of Michael Pfleger. Yeah, birds of the feathers flock together! It’s evident that the liberationist preachers were also Obama’s valued political allies.

1995- he sued, on behalf of ACORN, for the implementation of the Motor Voter law in Illinois. ACORN later invited Obama to help train its staff on how to shake down banks.

1995- Obama sought the New Party’s (socialistic) endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. Democratic Socialists of America founded the “New Party” He got it and he used New Party volunteers as campaign workers. The New Party rigorously evaluated its candidate endorsements & Obama HAD to sign a contract that he agrees with its goals! The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP

1997-Ayers published his radical book, A Kind and Just Parent, in which he brags of his terrorist acts
Dec 97, Obama wrote a positive review of Ayers’s book in the Chicago Tribune the following month. He did not know Ayer’s past?

1997- another joint appearance with Ayer

1988- In his “Why Organize?” essay, Obama planned to politically organize “liberationist” black churches. He saw the black church as a slumbering giant in cities like Chicago.

1990’s-Obama was a card carrying documented active member, participant and a direct political beneficiary of the Chicago New Party and, importantly, the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Newsletter said Obama “walked the walk & talked the talk” ( Newsletter , New Ground 45, March-April , 96.)

Democratic Socialists of America - as “the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International,” DSA is the largest socialist organization in US. Weatherman Underground splintered from SDA in 1969

1996-when Obama ran with the blessings of the Marxist New Party and Chicago Democratic Socialist Party
April 11, 1996- Obama attended membership meeting where he expressed his gratitude for their support.

1996-Obama was speaker at meeting of the Democratic Socialists of America (Sponsored by: University of Chicago Democratic Socialists of America )

1998- Connie Chung ABC interviewed Ayers & wife & they said,” We were young, idealistic, and We would do it (bomb) again. I wish we have done more!” This was HUGE news! Obama must have watched news!

2000- Obama was supported by leftist catholic priest, Rev. Michael Pfleger of Saint Sabina Catholic Church, in his House of Rep. race. He was another Obama’s spiritual adviser . 1995- 2001, Pfleger contributed $1,500 to his campaigns. Obama later sponsored a $100,000 earmark to help finance Pfleger’s youth center

2001- Ayers was photographed stepping on American flag and I guess Obama missed the news again? In his “Fugitive Days”, Ayers boasts that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970…” All told, responsible for some 30 bombings. Ayvers bragged, “I don’t regret setting bombs”, “I feel we didn’t do enough.” Was Obama blind, deaf, incredibly naive?

2001-2002, Woods Fund with directors Ayers and Obama, made grants of $40,000 and $35,000 to the Arab American Action Network, founded by radical Kashid Khalidi . Rashid is a professor at Columbia. he was strongly identified with PLO. Khalidi hosted a fundraiser for Obama in 2000.

April-2002, Obama & Ayers spoke at another panel.

2002 through 2005, the two regularly exchanged emails and phone calls.


5 posted on 10/15/2008 5:47:18 PM PDT by savvyguy
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To: hecht

Re-forming Chicago schools into communist re-education facilities.

Ayers Is No Education 'Reformer'

6 posted on 10/15/2008 9:53:37 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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