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Sarah Palin & The First Dude: More Charitable Than Joe Biden
Stuck On Stupid ^ | Oct. 4, 2008 | Quaker

Posted on 10/04/2008 1:58:23 AM PDT by Quaker

Biden the cheapskate vs. Sarah Palin & The first Dude. Who is more Charitable. It ain’t Joe. The Palins made considerably less than Joe Biden in the last two years according to their tax returns yet they gave more to charity than Biden did in 8 years. So much for the generosity of the liberal Dems.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics
KEYWORDS: charity; joebiden; sarahpalin

1 posted on 10/04/2008 1:58:25 AM PDT by Quaker
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To: All; Quaker

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2 posted on 10/04/2008 2:00:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Still 8 thousand is pretty dismal. I was surprised that it was not more. I give more than that and I don’t make six figures.


3 posted on 10/04/2008 2:48:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

I don’t have five growing children, do you? Plus, it surely costs money to run a commercial fishing company and pay the expenses of being the governor of a very large state (entertaining, travel, etc.)


4 posted on 10/04/2008 3:01:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don’t have five growing children, do you? Plus, it surely costs money to run a commercial fishing company and pay the expenses of being the governor of a very large state (entertaining, travel, etc.)

No I have four children under ten. I am in the military so it is not like I am rolling in the dough. entertaining and travel is reimbursed! She also does not have a morgage.

5 posted on 10/04/2008 3:19:48 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

She doesn’t have a mortgage on her home in Wasilla? Do you have a link? Or do you mean that the governor’s mansion is free of charge? As my user name implies, I once served in the military and understand what you’re saying, but when you coerce someone to give more than they do of their own free will, then it’s no longer “charity”, is it? Compared to Senators Biden, Obama and the last democratic first and second families (donating & writing-off used underwear?!) the Palin’s are very generous, wouldn’t you say?


6 posted on 10/04/2008 3:29:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes I do and I love Sarah and her family, but I just am not one to think they are 1000 percent perfect that is all. I am glad that John McCain and Sarah are going to win the election...I definitely believe this, but I also believe that at times we are going to be frustrated with McCain especially during the next 4 to 8 years. I just want us to use reality in this whole thing too. Yes Sarah is wonderful, but she is not perfect, that is all....oh, I am not either. lol.


7 posted on 10/04/2008 3:41:22 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Do you have five children, and one with special needs?


8 posted on 10/04/2008 4:15:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA ("I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" Obama, from Au)
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To: napscoordinator

People giving more than 10% of their GROSS income annually (the tithe), as I understand you are saying you do, is not the norm no matter how many kids they have. According to justgive.org the avg. American gives 3.1% of their gross to charity and one thing that is true is that people who don’t have the most often give more. If only everyone were as generous as you and the Palin’s!


9 posted on 10/04/2008 4:36:20 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: jilliane

I don’t like these comparisons...Biden has had some pretty tough days (his wife and child dying)...I couldn’t imagine going through that, so I give the man a break. Now attacking his policies is another matter...


10 posted on 10/04/2008 4:43:43 AM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: Blue Turtle

Just because a person doesn’t give a “lot” doesn’t mean they haven’t given with some “pain” - some people who have given much could give easily more but they don’t have the inclination to do so. The man who says he’s under 6 figures, 4 kids and giving at least 10% of his gross to charity is admirable in many ways...he’s probably very disciplined in his personal spending and has made giving an important part of his life. I’ll bet he’s personally sacrificed for that charity but he probably doesn’t look at it like that.

People who don’t seem to have given a “lot” is not for another to judge...I am in non-profit fundraising and I know the value of a $25 gift - there is high competition for donor dollars and any gift is a great gift. Some people give more in TIME than they do in dollars but the idea is to give. GIVE BABY GIVE.

P.S. Hockey fees aren’t cheap. :)


11 posted on 10/04/2008 5:03:47 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: Red in Blue PA

Do you have five children, and one with special needs?

Why are you questioning me after I was upfront with how many children I have already through this thread. God I hate people who can’t read. I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN...NONE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AT THIS TIME, BUT MY WIFE AND I DID NOT HAVE CHILDREN IN OUR FORTIES YET...WE ARE NOT FORTY YET.


12 posted on 10/04/2008 5:06:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Naps...one word for you...529 :) (I’m guessing you already know that or have another plan....your fiscal discipline is truly admirable - to be able to give what you give is a great example).


13 posted on 10/04/2008 5:10:02 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: Quaker

Hey...speaking of giving...has everyone donated to our beloved FR?


14 posted on 10/04/2008 5:12:59 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: jilliane
People giving more than 10% of their GROSS income annually (the tithe),

You are getting that from some place other than Scripture. You will find no such nonsense in Scripture.

The "tithe" as you put it, was not 10%. There are three "tithes" in Scripture. The tithe was 100% agricultural, it was from crops and cattle. Yes, there was money and other exchanges 3500 years ago, but those were not part of the giving that percentage based (the Tabernacle/Temple tax, also commanded, was the same amount for everyone, not a percentage).

The first "tithe" was used not to support the Tabernacle/Temple, or the "ministry" - it was used to finance the three times a year that all males were to go to the Tabernacle/Temple. It was "party" money (look it up, it explicitly says that you can buy "strong drink with the sales procedes if you want). The second and third "tithes" were given to the poor, Levites, and aliens (where you live), alternating during the 7 year sh'mittah cycle.

The commands in the New Testament continue - which is why you find little reference - because most of those recipients of epistles lived in the Diaspora, and were not farmers or shepherds - hence the "tithes" did not directly affect them.

The fact is that for too long the theologically unsupported position of "give 10% of your gross" has been used to bludgeon good people into supporting ever-larger buildings and ever-increasing "ministry" salaries.
It is wrong. And appears much like the very sin of some of the Pharisees ("Oh, I can't give, I dedicated that as part of my 10% to the Temple"). Instead, the commands of Scripture remain true: give generously, out of the abundance of what you have been given. If you see a need, and you can fill it, give... instead of "stealing" from tithes and claiming it is for "religious duty" - all because you heard it from some pulpit.
15 posted on 10/04/2008 5:24:59 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: safisoft

“You are getting that from some place other than Scripture”

You are correct, I am not quoting scripture nor would I.

I am however quoting parish priests who have drilled it into our brains for as long as I can remember...and in my parents’ brains...and in my grandparents...


16 posted on 10/04/2008 5:30:17 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: Blue Turtle

You don’t like these comparisons? Joe Biden makes $3 Million over the past ten years and has given around $4,000 in charity in those ten years? Sarah Palin and her husband made $300K over the past two years and have given $3800 in that period?

And Joe Biden says: it’s patriotic to pay taxes! Get in the game!!!!!

Finally, yes, he suffered a tragedy 36 years ago. Time to move on, especially if you’re in politics. Did Joe show any kind of human decency to Robert Bork or Clarence Thomas?

Joe Biden: Plugs For Slugs!


17 posted on 10/04/2008 5:30:38 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: jilliane
I am however quoting parish priests who have drilled it into our brains for as long as I can remember...and in my parents’ brains...and in my grandparents...

LOL. There you go. "Parish priests," who need to read the rebuke of Matthew 23. Set yourself free from multi-generational deception. Let Scripture be your guide, not some corrupt system of pious, semi-pious, cynical, and even corrupt men of which you cannot decern the difference because piety is defined by men and not the Almighty Himself.
18 posted on 10/04/2008 5:36:15 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

I hear ya...I am sure he’s moved on, but that kind of tragedy never leaves you and its never far behind...but yes, politically it is open season. I just think going after him for charitable giving or lack thereof is nobody’s business. I am going to take a guess here and say that I think Joe would give up his salary, senate seat, and everything else to have his wife and kid back...


19 posted on 10/04/2008 5:49:31 AM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: Quaker
No. NO! You all don't get it.

Y'see Biden gave away YOUR money! And he gave away WAY more of our money than the piddling Palins gave of theirs. So that makes him WAY more charitable.

(Why do I not believe this?)

20 posted on 10/04/2008 5:50:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: safisoft

LOL! If I wanted a sermon I’d go to church, I never said I was imprisoned by their words so sssssshhhhhh and read........I commented that the 10% ... commonly referred to as the tithe..is not commonly achieved. The man who said he is achieving that benchmark is to be admired. That’s it, end of point. I don’t need scripture crammed down my throat otherwise I’ll answer the door the next time the LDS come a knockin’


21 posted on 10/04/2008 5:54:14 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: Blue Turtle

You are much more charitable that Joe Biden...


22 posted on 10/04/2008 6:04:57 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: napscoordinator

Are you supporting five kids? Just askin’...


23 posted on 10/04/2008 7:18:49 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee ( Yeah, I'll help you buy some real estate)
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To: napscoordinator

People, me included, answer at the top of the post, not after reading the entire answer section, which is constantly added to. Nobody is piling on you, we’re just in catch-up mode.


24 posted on 10/04/2008 7:22:20 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee ( Yeah, I'll help you buy some real estate)
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To: napscoordinator

And, thank you for your service! All of my children were military, my grandchildren are, and it’s really tough. We can’t thank you enough for giving yourself to your country.


25 posted on 10/04/2008 7:25:39 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee ( Yeah, I'll help you buy some real estate)
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To: Blue Turtle

I don’t like these comparisons...Biden has had some pretty tough days (his wife and child dying)...I couldn’t imagine going through that, so I give the man a break. Now attacking his policies is another matter..”

That subject is fair game because of Biden. He lied about the incident and accused an innocent man of ‘killing’ his wife and child while drunk! A lie which he spread publically until last year when he was called on it.


26 posted on 10/04/2008 7:32:07 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: jilliane
I commented that the 10% ... commonly referred to as the tithe..is not commonly achieved.

Maybe you need to read. 10% is not the "tithe" - the "tithe" of Scripture is 20% of all crops and cattle. But by all means, now you can go about your life in ignorance if you choose.
27 posted on 10/04/2008 9:51:08 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: Blue Turtle
What does his first wife and child dying more than 30 years ago have to do with the amount of money he donates to charities today?
28 posted on 10/04/2008 10:05:34 AM PDT by muggs
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To: safisoft

...10% is the tithe “commonly referred to” as I said...I did not say it was the literal definition or word origin. I understand you are trying to make this about the scripture. I however am not, did not and will not.


29 posted on 10/04/2008 10:59:59 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: muggs

The point, if you read the full thread, was I will not judge the man based on his charity donations...he has had a terrible tragedy that will change anybody. We can go after him on his politics and vision for Amerika.


30 posted on 10/04/2008 1:28:53 PM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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To: Blue Turtle

Since he believes his wife and child were killed by a drunk driver it seems he might wish to donate lots of money, maybe even to MADD.

I don’t understand your reasoning, but that’s alright. You don’t understand mine either.


31 posted on 10/04/2008 1:41:34 PM PDT by muggs
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To: toomuchcoffee

And, thank you for your service! All of my children were military, my grandchildren are, and it’s really tough. We can’t thank you enough for giving yourself to your country.

Thank you too. Wow you are a great parent and grandparent!


32 posted on 10/04/2008 2:57:17 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Blue Turtle
The point, if you read the full thread, was I will not judge the man based on his charity donations...he has had a terrible tragedy that will change anybody. We can go after him on his politics and vision for Amerika.

That's a really odd bit of reasoning. Why is Biden's charitable giving more related to his wife's death than his politics and vision?

33 posted on 10/06/2008 6:08:55 AM PDT by Sloth (Pontius Pilate voted 'present'; Barrabas was community organizer.)
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