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What's Up With All This "Early Voting"??
Vanity ^

Posted on 09/23/2008 2:36:03 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim

Quoted from Article II, Section 1: "The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States. "

Ok... I know, some parts of the process have been amended... but, I don't see anywhere that the requirement that we ALL vote on the same day has been over-ruled. How is this being so widely allowed now?

Personally... I don't think it's a good thing to have people voting 2 months early.. before any debates.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: constitution; presidency
Sorry for the Vanity post..but, I'm wondering is some constitutional law scholar can enlighten me on this?
1 posted on 09/23/2008 2:36:03 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim
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To: SomeCallMeTim

What’s the question? There’s some day (I think in December) when all the electors meet and deliver their votes), as per the Constitution.


2 posted on 09/23/2008 2:41:00 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

You must ask the bunny.

3 posted on 09/23/2008 2:42:00 PM PDT by Salamander (McCain/Palin 08. Country FIRST!)
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To: steve-b

Remember soldiers have to vote from overseas


4 posted on 09/23/2008 2:42:06 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: Salamander

Don’t do that. ACORN will see the skull, and make sure it is registered as a Dem, and cast an absentee for Obama - the rabbit too...


5 posted on 09/23/2008 2:43:42 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Let's get serious - there is only one choice - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I think that even when you submit your ballot early, either via early voting, absentee, or mail, you aren't actually "casting" your vote until the day of the election.

It's only a semantic difference, but think of it like this: you fill out the ballot, put it in an envelope, and give it to the election judge -- who doesn't actually put it in the ballot box until election day.

In reality (especially with electronic votes), you are casting your vote early. But, it's not really "counted" until election day.

6 posted on 09/23/2008 2:44:38 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

That chunk of the Constitution is about the ELECTORS which is NOT us. The electors are the electoral college. Now how electoral college people are selected is left entirely up to the states.

Generally early/ absentee ballots aren’t counted until election day or even after. Which helps keep the spirit of that rule, sure the voter voted in Sept or Oct but the vote wasn’t counted until Nov4 so it’s all functionally at the same time. Not that it has to be that way, but as a country we like symbols, and by counting at the same time we keep the symbol.


7 posted on 09/23/2008 2:45:44 PM PDT by boogerbear
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To: SomeCallMeTim

The “Electors” are the electoral college. We the People can vote for those electors, whenever our States allow us to.


8 posted on 09/23/2008 2:46:36 PM PDT by Paradox (Obama, the Audacity of Hype.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
but, I'm wondering is some constitutional law scholar can enlighten me on this?

Sounds like a job for....

9 posted on 09/23/2008 2:48:51 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: SomeCallMeTim
The key part of Article II, section 1 is:
The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors...
In other words, it isn't a requirement they do. Mostly, election rules are left up to the States. Because Article II says what Congress may do, look at Article 1 for the limits of what they can do...

Aritcle 1, Section 4-
Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof;..

10 posted on 09/23/2008 2:51:12 PM PDT by mnehrling
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I have a problem with all the early voting, too. Three states have already started accepting ballots from voters. Estimates are that 1/3rd of the voters will be voting early. It’s insane that some states accept ballots so early in the process. I see this as a recipe for rampant voting fraud on the part of the Democrats.


11 posted on 09/23/2008 2:51:56 PM PDT by Azzurri
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Dhims had to introduce early voting when it was found that they could only bus a given person to seven or eight different polling sights during a single day.


12 posted on 09/23/2008 2:52:12 PM PDT by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
It's not us who are required to vote on the same day. It's the 438 electors who have to do that. Technically, they still elect the President, not the millions of ordinary voters.

So at first, states could chose their electors as they saw fit, so long as they decided before the day electors had to cast their votes. But since 1845, Congress has set a day aside for the choice of electors.

BTW, I'd heard that some states voted early in the 19th century. But it turns out that's not right. Those states had state elections in September or October, and in the days before opinion polls that was the best straw poll available.

That's where the once popular saying "As Maine goes, so goes the nation" comes from. Maine had state elections in September and the results were thought to be a good indication of what would happen in the national election in November.

13 posted on 09/23/2008 2:54:21 PM PDT by x
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Simple. November 4th, you’re not voting for McCain-Palin, you’re voting for electors pledged to vote for McCain-Palin. . .

The Constitution covers the vote of the Electoral College. The States determine the means of choosing electors. .


14 posted on 09/23/2008 2:55:40 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Azzurri

For years in AZ early voting was considered a big advantage for the GOP. This was because the GOP was much better at getting their people to sign up for early voting (AZ had a little card to fill out which you could request be sent to you, the state GOP figured out that you didn’t have to request the card just fill it out, they could request the card for all registered reps). Semi-recently they changed the rules to the election commission auto sent the cards to everybody and people could opt in once, opt in permanently or opt out permanently. Being a fan of voting in my living room I opted in permanently.


15 posted on 09/23/2008 2:56:01 PM PDT by boogerbear
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To: BigEdLB

*snort*


16 posted on 09/23/2008 3:05:23 PM PDT by Salamander (McCain/Palin 08. Country FIRST!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I think it’s completely constitutional. But I agree that it’s not a great idea. It’s not the timing, it’s the lazyness of it. I even dislike absentee ballots.

I’d prefer that people have to actually drag their lazy butts to a polling place and cast a ballot. If you’re not willing to put in even that smallest of efforts— then don’t bother. IMHO.

I know people travel and legitimately must vote absentee.

I’d like to see a system someday with a electronic database-driven machine, nationwide, where you enter your home precinct and your ballot comes up complete with all the local issues there. Anywhere in the country, and even overseas in embassies.


17 posted on 09/23/2008 3:08:24 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

The day the electors vote must be the same throughout the United States.

The electors may be chosen by any means determined by the legislatures of the several states.


18 posted on 09/23/2008 3:12:43 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Hey, it takes time & effort to vote more than once ... give ‘em a break, eh?


19 posted on 09/23/2008 3:17:54 PM PDT by dogger
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To: Ramius

There are a lot of disabled and elderly folks that simply can’t make it to their polling place. I know, my mom is one of them.


20 posted on 09/23/2008 3:19:12 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: SomeCallMeTim

I always vote early to avoid the lines. But in my state we aren’t allowed to vote months on advance of the election. Early voting starts maybe a week or two before the election and you still have to actually cast your ballot in person. It’s not done by mail. I bet most who vote early are doing it in person and only days before the election instead of months. It saves a you a lot of time you would have to spend finding a parking place and standing in line.


21 posted on 09/23/2008 3:20:23 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: Ramius

Or maybe we’re putting more work into it. When I vote at home I’ve got my computer right there so I can do last minute research on propositions and candidates. Maybe if you voted early it would be due to laziness, but there are plenty of good reasons to vote early, if only to get it done and go back to being a spectator.

And really in Tucson polling places suck. They’re always cold and surprisingly empty.


22 posted on 09/23/2008 3:24:59 PM PDT by boogerbear
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To: SomeCallMeTim
I'll be out of town on business on Election Day, so you'd better believe that I'll be voting early (likely the week before).
23 posted on 09/23/2008 3:26:44 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (The Global Warming Heretic -- http://AGW-Heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Love that early voting even for elections outside of the Presidential race. Nice to be able to pull the lever or mark your ballot at a time convenient to you as opposed to having to do it on a specified day.


24 posted on 09/23/2008 3:37:22 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
This is another issue that has been litigated and decided. As long as the official voting day does not change, alternate programs such as absentee or early voting are constitutional. So say the federal courts.

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25 posted on 09/23/2008 3:40:24 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.theacru.org)
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To: Salamander
You must ask the bunny.

That rabbit is dynamite!

26 posted on 09/23/2008 4:22:09 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: steve-b

Ah.. of course. Sometimes, the answer is so simple, it’s hard to see.


27 posted on 09/23/2008 4:25:56 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
As long as the official voting day does not change, alternate programs such as absentee or early voting are constitutional. So say the federal courts.

Hah! In some districts, nearly 30% of the votes are "early". It would seem to not be in the "spirit" of what was designed.

28 posted on 09/23/2008 4:29:14 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: mnehrling

Thanks... I guess it’s NOT required that we all vote on the same day.. but, I think it should be..

At least... in the same week. Too many factors could change things over two months time.


29 posted on 09/23/2008 4:31:45 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

As others pointed out, the specific requirement was the electors voting. All of the early voting is State controlled and can be whenever the States decide. The electors voting happens all at the same time.

I’m probably one of the few here who like early voting. I travel quite often and it is very helpful for me.


30 posted on 09/23/2008 4:37:39 PM PDT by mnehrling
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