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Checkout Of The U.S. Anytime, But Your Money Can't Leave
EconomcPolicyJournal.com ^

Posted on 07/04/2008 6:25:14 AM PDT by Kozman

President Bush recently signed the Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Act of 2008, aka, the HEART bill.

Hidden in the bill is new taxation on those who renounce their citizenship. The bill specifically calls for taxation on the net unrealized gain in their property, as if the property had been sold. Call it the "Hotel Calfornia" Tax, checkout any time you want, but a good chunk of your money can't leave. The first $600,000 in estimated net worth is exempt, then the tax kicks in at regular rates. Thus, this tax creates the potential for huge taxable phantom gains, with huge cash flow ramifications.

The bill also applies to foreigners who are living and working in the United States legally with green cards. When they decide to go home, the tax kicks in for them also...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: expats; fascism; slavery; taxes

1 posted on 07/04/2008 6:25:15 AM PDT by Kozman
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To: Kozman
Preemptive action?

This sounds like Zimbabwe in the early 80's. The farmers couldn't sell their farms and leave because they couldn't take the $$ with them.

2 posted on 07/04/2008 6:29:04 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (My new favorite quote "You can't organize clutter.")
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I would be curious what senator or congressman inserted this bill into the law. They appear to be acting like your money...”is their money”...and probably have the financial education level of a 13-year old kid. If I chose to move $80 million of my personal money out of the US....without their knowledge....(if I even had such a fortune)....I could accomplish this in a couple of days and they’d never notice. There are millions that appear in Panama each week...compliments of guys in California who don’t want their cash sitting in the US banking system.

If I were to make a guess of the strategy of this congressman and his lobby group....they are expecting a cash-flow problem with the US economy....with fair portion of folks attempting to move the cash out of the US in a hurry...similar as you suggest in Zimbabwe as things dissolved. The lobby group probably has a mechanism in place to funnel naive folks straight to their doorstep, and get the cash quickly out (legally).

If you find the congressman, you will find the lobby group...and all of this will be explained.


3 posted on 07/04/2008 6:37:43 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Kozman

Bush and the other leftists are obsessed with seizing accumulated wealth from those who work hard for it, and urinating it away to those who don’t work for it. Since this affects only a few people at any one time, there will never be a critical mass of protesting people, and so this bill will remain.


4 posted on 07/04/2008 6:41:00 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: Kozman

Hypocrite politicians! Illegal immigrants can send as many of our dollars back home as they want to, tax free and without interference.


5 posted on 07/04/2008 6:43:08 AM PDT by whipitgood (Illegal immigration: Let's roll!)
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To: BooksForTheRight.com
All politicians Bush and the other leftists are obsessed with seizing accumulated wealth from those who work hard for it, and urinating it away to those who don’t work for it.
6 posted on 07/04/2008 6:43:18 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: Kozman

This government is out of control and becoming a monster.


7 posted on 07/04/2008 6:46:06 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Kozman

Somebody clarify if I read this wrong. A 600,000 exemption? Isn’t the current one 500,000 for two-owner property? Also, does this 600,000 include investment property?


8 posted on 07/04/2008 6:53:58 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Kozman

So don’t renounce your American citizenship.

It that difficult?

Sheesh.


9 posted on 07/04/2008 6:57:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 105 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: Kozman

http://www.escapeartist.com/


10 posted on 07/04/2008 7:04:45 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Yes. It's like Zimbabwe.

If George W. Bush had not prevented a 9/11 repeat and appointed good justices to the Supreme Court, his Administration would be down there with those of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Warren Harding, and U.S. Grant as failures.

As it is, it hovers just above them.

THANKS, W!

11 posted on 07/04/2008 7:13:03 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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To: Kozman

This is typically retarted US tax policy.

Can someone please tell me, in Las Vegas, what is “fair market value” for a house that has not been sold yet? It’s dropping by the hour out there.

My company (Based in Germany) employs many ex-pats here in the states. This is going to be a nightmare for them.


12 posted on 07/04/2008 7:30:58 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( When you find yourself going through Hell, keep going!)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
"Hidden in the bill is new taxation on those who renounce their citizenship.

If they're German "ex-pats", it shouldn't affect them. Auf widersehn.
13 posted on 07/04/2008 8:06:33 AM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: whipitgood

Probably because their totals don’t amount to much.


14 posted on 07/04/2008 8:08:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: kenavi
The bill also applies to foreigners who are living and working in the United States legally with green cards. When they decide to go home, the tax kicks in for them also...

No, the bill is generalized enough that anyone trying to move most of their assets overseas will experience the tax.

15 posted on 07/04/2008 8:31:30 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
The article says the tax applies to "certain long-term US residents who terminate their US residency." So it might not apply to the typical "ex-pat".

Non-citizen residents, as opposed to non-residents here, are eligible for home mortgages that qualify for purchase by the Federal mortgage agencies and thus have better terms. So the alien residents enjoy this benefit and many other benefits on equal terms with citizens, there should be some take-back if in the end, these people are not making a life-time commitment to our country.
16 posted on 07/04/2008 9:53:25 AM PDT by kenavi ("My mudder thanks you, my fodder thanks you, and Obama thanks you!")
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To: kenavi
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That statement applies to ALL men, not just US citizens. We all have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In the late 16th century pursuit of happiness meant economic freedom and retaining one's own earnings. See Butchers' Union Co. v. Crescent City Co. - it refers to economic freedom.

Penalizing others for their own economic success - whether US citizens or not - is fundamentally opposed to the Declaration.

We gain materially from foreign investment, trade, and residents living among us. We should encourage legal immigration and green card workers, not penalize them.

17 posted on 07/04/2008 10:04:58 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Kozman; PugetSoundSoldier; AuntB; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; calcowgirl; Ladycalif; Calpernia

Interesting.

Meanwhile, for those with ‘dual citizenships’ and under the NAU Social Security Totalization umbrella, no rain shall fall on that parade?


18 posted on 07/04/2008 12:47:39 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: pepsionice
The prospect of Obama in the White House and a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress is prompting people to move their money out of harm's way. This legislation does look like a pre-emptive strike.
19 posted on 07/04/2008 1:21:22 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Kozman

South Africa has a similar policy. It is aimed at preventing emigration of productive folks out of that seething cauldron of a country.

Wonder what this law is aimed at?


20 posted on 07/04/2008 1:32:36 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
The bill also applies to foreigners who are living and working in the United States legally with green cards. When they decide to go home, the tax kicks in for them also.
Interesting.
21 posted on 07/04/2008 10:06:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Kozman; SunkenCiv

This is the wrong idea. With this tax, how are we going to get Hollywood leftists like Alec Baldwin and Barbra Streisand to keep their promises about leaving the US if the Republicans win the 2000 and 2004 elections? A radio station near me even had a “Pack up the Pinkos” fundraiser, to buy airplane tickets for them, one-way tickets to the Third World hellhole of their choice.

“Until then, all I ask of my country is that we don’t beat ourselves and that we remain a place where Gwyneth Paltrow refuses to live.”—Dennis Miller, 12/08/2006


22 posted on 07/05/2008 4:06:20 AM PDT by Berosus (Supports the troops, bring them home -- from the Balkans.)
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