Posted on 06/30/2008 7:16:35 AM PDT by pissant
I have called the News-Journal for the source of the below article. I am reprinting it here because the writer states verifiable facts. I thought it interesting to demonstrate that even the News-Journal cannot get its facts to match those of the Court’s File:
Facts deflate conspiracy theory
The News Journal • June 29, 2008
Depending on what blogs you read, Delaware is at the center of a major conspiracy orchestrated to protect presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama by silencing a critic.
But like many rumors about a candidate during a presidential election year, this one just isn’t true.
While we are certain this will do little to deter conspiracy theorists, we thought it would be worthwhile to inject some verifiable fact where we find it.
The rumor suggested that former Democratic presidential candidate and Delaware Sen. Joe Biden — who has been named as a possible vice president running mate for Obama — worked with his son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, to have Obama critic Larry Sinclair arrested at the conclusion of a press conference Sinclair held in Washington earlier this month.
Sinclair, who has been making charges about Obama involving sex and drugs, allegedly was taken away at the conclusion of his remarks by U.S. marshals on an outstanding warrant from Delaware.
Some — perhaps only those on Sinclair’s Web site — suggested this was concocted to embarrass Sinclair because there had been no record of a Delaware warrant after a detailed background check in January.
Well, yes, but no.
There was no warrant in January because it was issued in February after an October incident at a New Castle hotel involving Sinclair.
According to the Delaware State Police and Delaware Superior Court records, Sinclair allegedly paid for a three-week stay at the Rodeway Inn with $2,400 in money orders. The hotel manager later found they were counterfeit and called police.
In February — long before Obama became the presumptive nominee — a New Castle County grand jury indicted Sinclair for felony theft and a warrant was issued.
According to state prosecutors, Sinclair was released on $8,000 unsecured bond this week and is due back in court in July for an arraignment.
I thought it interesting that the News Journal would claim according to “Delaware Superior Court Records” since the court file states nothing more than the indictment which I posted here on Thursday.
Case File from Clerk of the Court:
(see website for court doc PDFs)
In addition, I never paid for any stay at the Rodeway Inn with any Money Orders for one day much less for Three Weeks.
Also, I was released on $5000 unsecured bond on Monday, June 23, 2008 after appearing before the New Castle County Superior Court.
June 23, 2008 Delaware Court appearance
(see website for court doc PDFs)
NOW WHEN ARE SO CALLED RESPECTABLE MEDIA AGENCIES GOING TO STOP PRINTING SUCH BLANTANTLY INACCURATE INFORMATION IN ATTEMPTS TO DISCREDIT ME AND START PRINTING FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT THEY SAY IS THEIR JOB?
The News Journal must have access to a different Court file than the Clerk of the Court, as they provided me with every thing that was in the court file on Thursday June 26, 2008 and none of it had any such information in it.
Is the News Journal attempting to run damage control for Delaware Attorney General Joe Biden III, for seeking a warrant on an issue that was investigated in October 2007 by Wilmington, DE Police and which I was determined to have committed no criminal act?
I guess I need a “Fight the Smears” crew!! Like I said, you do not live life and then try and hide from it later. I just wish when media outlets report, they at least report factual information.
DC Court Hold
(see website for court doc PDFs)
I guess I am trying to understand how the Court states the summons was mailed when the below summons shows no mailing address for that to have taken place?? Much less to say it was returned! I guess I too am interested in seeing the return envelope from the US Postal Service.
(see website for PDFs)
Bump
So many questions without answers but guess in time the answers will be found and the truth revealed. This saga does get curiouser and curiouser.
Delmarva ping!
No, he PRETENDED to pay with fake documents that LOOKED like real money orders. He didn't actually PAY for anything. He does seem to be admitting that he satayed there for free though.
This information is totally consistant with his admitted history of writing bad checks and other fraud
Apparently, he doesn’t have a job. How does he pay for staying in hotels? He doesn’t say that he didn’t stay, just that he didn’t pay.
Maybe you can ask Obama how swanky his hotel room in Gurnee was.
FagGate continues...
There is no evidence that Obama was ever there
Go, Larry, GO!
Cool. Then it will be simple to show he was elsewhere. Just look at his state Senate calendar and records....oh, nevermind. Of course, I’ll take Sinclair’s version of events over a commie who put a forged birth certificate on his website.
You do know that most people now believe the Birth Certificate is real since they found the seal?
Why not come up with evidence FIRST and then make an accusation? You won't seem like such a crackpot then
Oh, I see. “most people” does not include any of the ones that have determined it to be fake. I’m sure “most people” includes you though. ROFL.
It is YOU who has no idea what you are talking about. The, ahem, “seal” was discovered a couple weeks ago. It has been dismissed as irrelevant due to the overwhelming evidence it is a forgery.
DelMarVa PING!!!!!
I have not been following this story at all, however the idea of the Snooze Urinal carrying Water for Beau Biden is not all that farfetched.
I totally missed your ping.....just happened to come across the thread title. Apologies and thanks!!!
From yesterday:
Barak Obama Birth Certificate Mystery Solved?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038450/posts
It’s ok, just as long as the word gets out. :-)
I read that. You don’t even know why it was deemed a forgery. Either does the author of that piece.
“There is no evidence that Obama was ever there”
That is true. And unless there were witnesses (other than Sinclair) and they come forward there will be no evidence.
Obama’s campaign has been actively screwing with Sinclair since he first released his video.
FWIW, "most people" couldn't tell you exactly what Obama's positions are on anything.
Hoestly, the mystery is why there isn’t an available birth certicicate. What’s the big deal?
I had to have my original to join the Army.
Why shouldn’t Obama produce the original to be President?
He should, but not to the pissants of the world. Your birth certificate is primary identification. You use it to get passports, gun permits, driver's licenses. That is probably why they altered the image they posted online and took of the number. I assure you that his citizenship is not in question by the people in power, republican, democrat, or otherwise. The Obama camp is HAPPY that we are chasing our tails on the whitey tape and the BC. Why would you provide a real copy now when you could make us look even stupider producing it in November after we have ignored the real scandals?
He has been convicted of similar things before
There is a tiny handful of folks ‘chasing tails’ so to speak. And we have already proven that the thing has been photoshopped and therefore not legit. You are free to post threads on the ‘big issues’ surrounding Obama’s marxism, as I and many others have and continue to do.
Instead, you wait with baited breath so you can hop on a Sinclair thread and defend your hero. LOL
I would be the first person posting evidence on Obama if it existed. I don't trust Obama, but I don't trust Sinclair more--he is a covicted conman who obviously hasn't changed based on the warrants in three states that were out for him at the time of his press conference.
Well, he is a known liar? Does that count in your book?
I assume you are referring to Obama. Calling Sinclair a known liar would be a compliment.
Obama is a scheming politician. He will lie, he will spin, and he will flip-flop. He is the first black Bill Clinton. I don't think he actually believes in anything, just like Bill.
There is, however, no history or even rumors of him being gay. In fact, he has a history of avoiding controversial votes during his Chicago days so as not to jeapardize his political future. I find it hard to imagine him carefully building an image and throwing it all away on casual sex with an ugly male stranger during the hight of tha AIDS scare. There hasn't been a single other person come forward saying Obama is gay. Sinclair has no proof. Sinclair is a past and present conman
There are plenty of rumors of him being on the down low that I’ve read. Just never saw it worth trafficking in rumors. Sinclair, OTOH, is not stating rumors, he is making direct allegations. It is either true or it is not, but he ain’t backing down on his story.
Can you provide a link to pre-sinclair rumors that Obama is gay?
Google his Marxist professor friend in Hawaii, who was rumored to like ‘little brown boys’.
I did the google and didn't find anything. Maybe you have a name?
I did find this, however:
She wistfully showed a reporter the love note Obama wrote in June 1979. Furushima paused, then sighed, pointing out how the potential president was prone to drawing a little Afro atop the "B" and the "O" on his signature. "Isn't that sweet?" she asked. "You can see how he was much more sensitive than the other guys, even back then."
He is clearly gay, he was "sensitive" when writing love notes to girls
WE haven't been ignoring anything.That's the media's job.
And I personally think there are better things to hit Obama with, but I see no reason to diccourage or insult those who pursue items like this.
It's just a search for the truth. ALL of the truth.
‘Obama’s communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency,” he wrote.
In Obama’s book, “Dreams From My Father,” he repeatedly refers to his friend and adviser as “Frank.”
“The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several Communist front organizations,” Kincaid said.’
Exerpt from World Net Daily
I think this is the guy. I know I read somewhere that a Marxist mentor was “known to like little brown boys”, but I can’t find the article
I’ve read about Frank Davis. He was from Chicago and a big union guy. He also was married to a white woman. I didn’t see anywhere that he liked little brown boys. Moving to Hawaii would have been a strange place for him to go. Obama was the only “brown boy” in his class. He would have had more luck in Chicago,
I wish I could find that article. It was about one of his professor mintors who ‘liked little brown boys’ and it strongly suggested this was the beginning of Obama’s bisexuality.
How do you know that without a doubt?
produce it
So, follow your tagline's advice and investigate, and produce the evidence he wasn't there. It's called an alibi.
You don't need an alibi unless you have been charged with a crime
So when a wife finds her husband didn't stay at the office all evening, he wouldn't need an alibi?
You know, you feel it's fair to ask for evidence that he was there, but you don't feel it's fair for someone else to ask for evidence that he wasn't.
Sinclair is a proven repeated slimebag conman. That doesn't mean he's wrong about Obama, but it does mean that the burden of proof is on him.
Why would he continue to stick to his story when the press won't publish it, he is ridiculed by the majority of the public that recognizes his name, the courts abuse his rights to the point of denying him prescribed medication, and he is threatened to the point of creating suicide-dismissing videos in a country known for political murder? What the heck is he getting out of this?
As far as the burden of proof, we may be in his shoes some day. You know, with the press against us, what chance will we have?
It's not his past; it is his present. He is going to be arraigned for fraud in Delaware. He had three outstanding warrants when he held his press conference. Face it. He isn't believable at all
From Another Thread:
Date of Warrant: February 5, 2008
Type of crime: probation or parole violation
Warrant Number: U708000607
Originating case number: U708000607
NCIC Number: W283822252
What is so telling about this is the following:
1. I am not now nor have I ever been on probation or parole from the State of Delaware.
2. I have not ever been charged with, tried nor convicted of any crime in the state of Delaware
3. The information contained in this letter does not match the case number indicated on the court documents dated June 23, 2008 from the “alleged” warrant used to arrest me by DC Metro Police on June 18, 2008.
I am not on any probation or any parole from any State or Jurisdiction of any kind nor have I been since my Colorado Parole was discharged on May 5, 2000.
You were on the above thread. Didn't you read this? You don't have to take him at his word. It should be public record.
What I don't believe is what great length you go to defending Obama's innocence. You have got to be either:
1. An Obamabot (which I don't presently think you are)
2. Not so much opposed to Sinclair's criminal past as his homosexuality
That has already been refuted. He has an araignment coming up in Delaware. Look into it. The guy is a conman. You can’t use him as a source.
You say no one else is claiming Obama is gay. It's true that one person who may have come forward was suspiciously murdered, but there is another who says he has proof and will produce it at the proper time. Of course, you won't believe it either.
You need proof that Obama was there, but don't think it necessary to prove his whereabouts on those days when he clearly wasn't where he should have been.
You say the burden of proof is on Sinclair and have also commented that there is a current investigation into the South Side gay murders, but have not produced proof that there actually is an aggressive ongoing investigation. We're talking about a supposed investigation on Chicago's South Side, aka Obama/Wright Territory...Are you familiar with Chicago politics? Furthermore, has anyone in the entire Chicago area claimed one of the phone numbers Sinclair provided? No one? Don't you find that odd? Have any phone records been obtained? His? Donald Young's? Obama's ? Burden of proof. Right.
You believe evidence of arraignment from a minor news source that apparently contradicts court records? How many media sources in the country are tied-in to total Obama support?
You don't want me to use Sinclair as a source, yet your blog sources are no more credible.
I'm sure you're perplexed at my defense of Sinclair. I'm equally perplexed at your defense of Obama. Done.
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