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Why don't cell phones include a conversation recorder option?
Self | 20 June, 2008 | Marktwain

Posted on 06/20/2008 6:41:07 PM PDT by marktwain

There is a considerable demand for a feature on cell phones that would record conversations. Given today's technology and cheap memory, it would be very easy. Moreover, It would be legal in the approximately 37 states and the Federal government that allow recording of conversations when a person involved in the conversation approves of it.

It would be an excellent tool for recording conversations with "customer service" who record us all the time, and for any official or contractual conversations where matters of law might be involved.

Manufacturers of cell phones seem to have gone to considerable lengths to insure that recording is difficult. It is even difficult to hook your cell phone up to an answering machine if you wish to have longer recorded messages than your voice mail allows.

There are now at least two companies that sell services that allow you to record all of your cell phone or regular phone conversations. The recordings are digital and can be accessed over the net, but they cost from 15 cents to 37 cents per minute, with monthly fees as well.

Here is a link to one of them:

http://www.callrecordercard.net/card_details.php

I ask for knowlegable FR denizens to offer rational explanations. Perhaps liability law? That seems unlikely to me, as plenty of recording technology already exists, and we don't see recorder companies being sued.

I have a great respect for the expertise that exists on Freerepublic.

Thank you for your help on this irritating issue.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Government; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: banglist; cell; conversation; phone; privacy; recording; wiretaps
Recording conversations would be a very useful tool in a cell phone. Why isn't it there? I think the market would bring it out.
1 posted on 06/20/2008 6:41:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Hey, wouldn’t their disclaimer of ‘This phone call may be recorded” count as a disclaimer?


2 posted on 06/20/2008 6:42:58 PM PDT by Southerngl
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To: marktwain
Excuse me for adding “banglist” to the keywords, but I think the banglist readers are some of the most astute freepers, and I value their expertise.
3 posted on 06/20/2008 6:44:45 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Southerngl

Yes, if they give a disclaimer that the call is being recorded, they obviously have no objection to it being recorded, and understand that it may be.


4 posted on 06/20/2008 6:45:39 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

>they obviously have no objection to it being recorded

... so long as they can destroy it at will if it proves them liable for something.


5 posted on 06/20/2008 6:47:25 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution [is] for a [Christian] people. It is wholly inadequate [for] any other. -John Adams)
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To: marktwain

Why not just ask the NSA to email you the mp3 of your call? :)


6 posted on 06/20/2008 6:48:46 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (If it is going to take 10 years, shouldn't we get started? Drill here, drill now, pay less.)
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To: NonValueAdded
“Why not just ask the NSA to email you the mp3 of your call? :)”

Because they have lousy customer service! ;) I got into the habit of assuming all my calls could be recorded after living a few years in Panama. I still think it is a healthy practice.
7 posted on 06/20/2008 6:55:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Each state has different recording laws. In my state all parties have to agree to being recorded. It would be a legal nightmare.

DK


8 posted on 06/20/2008 6:57:35 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight

“Each state has different recording laws. In my state all parties have to agree to being recorded. It would be a legal nightmare”


For who? It would be optional, and people can record conversations now. You could easily give an option to note that the call was being recorded.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 7:00:52 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Very wise also.....about every RF emission in the country is recorded somewhere. Thank goodness they do not have the man or computing power to analyze it all.


10 posted on 06/20/2008 7:01:52 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: marktwain

Have you ever tried it? I have, - both times when the phone jockey was informed that both parties, not just them would be recording they terminated the call. Its worth it just to hear them squirm.


11 posted on 06/20/2008 7:08:43 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: mad_as_he$$

As we have already lost most of our privacy in this country, we should at least be able to record our interactions as much as the government can.

All 911 calls are recorded. Many government offices record all calls. I just want the ability to have my own record of what was said.


12 posted on 06/20/2008 7:28:07 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Radio Shack sells adapters to connect your headphone jack to a tape recorder.

http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032087&cp=2032052.2032075.2032076


13 posted on 06/20/2008 7:51:21 PM PDT by CtBigPat
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To: marktwain
"Recording conversations would be a very useful tool in a cell phone. Why isn't it there"

Uh, legal reasons? Not every state has single-party consent in its laws.

14 posted on 06/20/2008 7:53:39 PM PDT by magellan
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To: marktwain

“Each state has different recording laws. In my state all parties have to agree to being recorded. It would be a legal nightmare”
For who? It would be optional, and people can record conversations now. You could easily give an option to note that the call was being recorded.<<

Probably not for you, you sound like you can be aware of the rules. I received a call this month where the caller told me at the end of the call it was being recorded, I advised them it was illegal to record me at the beginning with out advising me, they replied it was according to their screen.

My only hope was INTERPOL intervening in India.

LOL

DK


15 posted on 06/20/2008 7:56:40 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: magellan
“Uh, legal reasons? Not every state has single-party consent in its laws.’

No, but most do, and it is not up to cell phone manufacturers and cell phone companies to enforce state law. The capability already exists to record. For some reason, cell phone manufacturers have made it inconvenient.
16 posted on 06/20/2008 8:02:45 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: CtBigPat; magellan; Dark Knight

“Radio Shack sells adapters to connect your headphone jack to a tape recorder.”


Note, the capability already exists, and it is not illegal.


17 posted on 06/20/2008 8:05:16 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Southerngl
Whenever I talk to someone after the recorded: “This call may be recorded...”, I ask them to repeat their name, then ask them to spell it, then I advise them that since you have given me permission to record the call, please hang on a second while I turn on my recorder.

I seem to get better service than I expected.

18 posted on 06/20/2008 8:14:23 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: marktwain

Lots of times when someone is about to give me details that are important, I will ask if they mind if I tape the call because I don’t have a pencil handy. I have never had anyone say no.


19 posted on 06/20/2008 8:33:42 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: marktwain

It is illegal to record at all in some states.

In other states you have to inform the other side you are recording and they have to say they are OK.

In some states you can record you head off.

The phones often offer a voice message ability, but for legal reasons stay out of the conversation recording business.


20 posted on 06/20/2008 8:43:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: marktwain

It’s illegal to use telephone recording devices (that aren’t dual use) in several US states, (and several countries) without all parties giving consent.

So while anyone using VOIP through a PC can record their calls using some free or very cheap software, it’s technically illegal to specific single use phone recording devices in NJ.


21 posted on 06/20/2008 8:57:33 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: marktwain
1. It would be an expensive feature to build into a cell phone.

2. It probably is not a feature that many people desire, according to market surveys.

3. Legal entangelments.

22 posted on 06/20/2008 8:58:18 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: marktwain

the same reason the banks wants to clear checks you write overnight, but hold the ones you deposit for varying lengths of time, up to over a week.


23 posted on 06/20/2008 9:07:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: PackerBoy

but everybody “desires” a camera...on their phone?


24 posted on 06/20/2008 9:08:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
“but everybody “desires” a camera...on their phone?”

Exactly. The competition in the cell phone market is intense. This is a feature many people want, but can't get.

It is not illegal, though its use may be illegal in certain circumstances in some states. As I have looked a little bit for an option, it even appears that cell phone manufacturers have deliberately made their software on PDA’s resistant to this feature.

25 posted on 06/20/2008 9:36:03 PM PDT by marktwain
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"Note, the capability already exists, and it is not illegal."

Tell it to Linda Tripp.

26 posted on 06/20/2008 10:31:17 PM PDT by magellan
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To: marktwain

It’s illegal in many places. At least it’s illegal to do it without the consent of the other person.


27 posted on 06/20/2008 10:32:36 PM PDT by djf (I don't believe in perpetual motion. Perpetual mutton, that's another thing entirely!)
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To: CtBigPat
"Radio Shack sells adapters to connect your headphone jack to a tape recorder."

This is news? Radio Shack has sold telephone recording gear since the late 1970s.

28 posted on 06/20/2008 10:33:15 PM PDT by magellan
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To: marktwain

Be sure you check your state law carefully. The law varies widely from state-to-state.

For example, it is legal in MN to record a conversation if at least one party is aware of it.

In FL it is a felony unless all parties are aware. Video without sound, however, is legal.

Linda Tripp got into trouble recording Monica’s girltalk about Bill Clinton because Monica called her from DC (legal) but Tripp received the call on her phone in MD (illegal).


29 posted on 06/20/2008 10:49:22 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: marktwain

I want a Tazer with a digital camera.

No reason...


30 posted on 06/20/2008 10:54:03 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: marktwain

Most pocket PCs and PDAs have a record button. You can insert a cheap 1GB SD card into a Dell Axim (for example) and put it in your pocket and it will record for hours.

If you record an incrimnating conversation on your cellphone you’ll have to give the phone to the police. With a pocket PC you can just eject SD card and hand it to them. Not that I’ve ever done such a thing, perish the thought :-).


31 posted on 06/20/2008 11:00:16 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Grizzled Bear
"I want a Tazer with a digital camera.

No reason..."

Mosh Pit + Well-Concealed Tazer = Hours of Fun

32 posted on 06/20/2008 11:14:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: magellan

“Note, the capability already exists, and it is not illegal.”
Tell it to Linda Tripp.


*Having* the capability is not illegal. *Using* the capability in a few states is illegal.


33 posted on 06/21/2008 5:02:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

FWIW Although I have never used it except to test it with a family member for the fun of it, my Nokia 6126 has the capability to record a conversation on the phone itself. I make the call, hit options, and then “record.” I figured it was pretty standard these days given what all they (cell phones) are capable of.

Best Regards


34 posted on 07/04/2008 3:02:13 PM PDT by Birmingham Rain
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