Posted on 02/22/2008 9:44:29 PM PST by TBP
If the Presidency of George W. Bush proved anything, it proved the hazard of electing phony Republican conservatives. At least one is able to clearly see a liberal for what he or she is when they have a "D" behind their name. But put an "R" behind the name and suddenly their liberal, Big-Government, anti-freedom agenda is barely recognized, which makes a liberal Republican much more dangerous than a liberal Democrat.
Let me say it straight out: a John McCain Presidency would be far worse than a Barack Obama Presidency. With a Democrat in the White House, conservatives and Christians suddenly find their principles and are able to offer resistance. Put a Republican in the Oval Office, however, and those same people become blind, deaf, and dumb to most any principle they profess.
Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.
John McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 on March 2, 2004 that would outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows. According to GOA, the provision would effectively eliminate gun shows, because every member of an organization sponsoring a gun show could be imprisoned if the organization fails to notify each and every "person who attends the special firearms event of the requirements [under the Brady Law]."
John McCain also sponsored an Incumbent Protection provision to the so-called "Campaign Finance Reform" bill, which severely curtails the ability of outside groups (such as GOA) to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.
The GOA report of the 106th Congress reveals that out of 15 votes relating to the right to keep and bear arms, Senator John McCain voted favorably only 4 times. Put that into a percentage and McCain's pro-Second Amendment voting record is a pathetic 27%.
In addition, GOA warns that John McCain supported legislation that would force federal agents to increase efforts in arresting and convicting honest gun owners who may inadvertently violate one of the many federal anti-gun laws, which punish mere technicalities, such as gun possession.
For example, if John McCain's proposed legislation were to become law, a gun owner who travels with a gun through a school zone or who uses one of the family handguns to go target shooting with a 15-year old could be sent to prison. And a person who uses a gun for self-defense could be sent to prison for a mandatory minimum of five years.
But there is so much more to the McCain madness.
Former California State Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson wrote this about John McCain, "He's [McCain's] proven his dislike for conservatives and would gut us at every opportunity.
"Why do I say that? Because of three decades of experience as a Republican California Senator and a fifty year activist in the conservative movement. I have first hand, in-their-face experience with elitist RINO's (Republican in Name Only) office holders. They are biblically ignorant, power hungry, status seeking egotists who have no difficulty aiding their liberal Democrat colleagues whenever their arms are politely twisted. The one thing they have in common with liberal Democrats is their dislike for all conservatives, especially those who are Bible-believing. McCain, as president, would stifle the voices of elected Republican leaders and try to legislate the conservative movement out of existence."
Senator Richardson went on to say that he would in no way vote for John McCain, if indeed McCain is the Republican nominee (which he obviously will be).
I wonder how many gun owners and other professing pro-freedom Americans have already fallen victim to McCain's phony conservative campaign? Do they not realize that they are giving a rope to the hangman? And that they--conservatives and gun owners--are the ones who McCain will send to the gallows? What is wrong with the American people these days? Have they not been betrayed enough by these phony conservative Republicans?
For example, President George W. Bush recently nominated Michael Sullivan to be Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Sullivan is one of the nation's most rabid anti-gunners. GOA's Larry Pratt describes Sullivan as being "as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy." Honest gun owners, lawful firearms dealers, and law-abiding gun show operators could have no worse enemy within the federal government than Michael Sullivan. We could expect no worse from Hillary Clinton. And a John McCain Presidency would doubtless give us more of the same.
Regarding the Second Amendment, the American people have no better friend than Ron Paul. He has a 20-year proven track record of fidelity to the right to keep and bear arms. The GOA rates Congressman Paul with a grade of A+. According to GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt, Ron Paul has been a leader in the fight to defend and restore the Second Amendment. He has sponsored legislation to repeal the following: the Brady law; the requirement to lock up your guns; the law permitting the U.S. to be part of the U.N (which, among other attacks on American freedoms, seeks to ban privately transferred firearms); participation in UNESCO; federal prohibitions on any pilot wishing to carry a handgun to and in his cockpit; and the so-called "assault weapons" ban (prior to its sunsetting in 2004).
Ron Paul has also sponsored legislation requiring states to treat the concealed carry permit of one state the same as they do that state's driver's license. Dr. Paul also opposes a national ID card, which would be a tool of government to identify gun ownership.
Gun owners (along with conservatives and Christians of all sorts) should be ashamed of themselves for allowing an angry, gun-grabbing liberal such as John McCain to become the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, while rejecting the candidacy of one of America's most principled pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution, and pro-freedom legislators of this generation: Congressman Ron Paul.
I say again, the last thing we need is another liberal neocon in the White House. John McCain may have an "R" behind his name, but he is just another establishment liberal: one America cannot afford.
I find it difficult to believe that a military man would be against the Second Amendment.
As anyone who has follwed my postings can tell you, I am not a McBOT, and I will not vote for the man but lets n9ot exaggerate.
He has three areas where he is better than the alternative, that would be the WOT, government spending and the 2A.
Taht’s his record, though.
Of course, being Mr. Stariahgt Talk, he’ll now claim otherwise.
I for one am tired of this newfound and rather churlish tendency to scream “gun-grabber” at any slight deviation from “perfection”.
If McCain is a gun-grabber, what word do we have for Barack Obama, who actually does want to take people’s guns away from them.
It’s a miracle that ANY candidate can get the votes of conservatives, except for a few who are completely unelectable, which for some conservatives seems to be the true measure of being a “conservative”.
This nation is in deep do-do with the available trio of candidates for the POTUS. In the final analysis, vote for one, step in dogsh*t, vote for the other, step in catsh*t.
B-freaking-S. Baldwin's a loon. Just another of the zealots the Left will use to tar all of us with.
McCain Derangement Sydrome ping.
Baldwin’s argument, which does have some validity, is that if McCain is president, conservtive Republicans in Congress will roll over for any Big Government policy McCain comes up with, whereas if Obama or Hitlery is president, conservatives and Republicans will be opposing the same policies tooth and nail. McCain could actually get more done to advance Big Government than Obama/Clinton.
News flash:
Republicans don’t control Congress.
Take a look at his score from GOA.
After a couple of years of an Obama or Clinton presidency, they probably will.
What is Hillary’s score?
What is Obama’s score?
PERSPECTIVE PLEASE, people.
He sucks on the 2A
I’ve heard that freaking argument too many times. Here’s the corrolary: If either Hillary! or Obama! gets elected, we’re just plain dead.
I can stand four years of a weak Republican. Four, or maybe eight, years of a blooming Socialist is the end of the trail.
On what, do you base that assertion??
The Chinese Communists lead by Mao Tse Tung first sandbagged the war against Japan(Iraq), then drove the Nationalists (the pro-freedom governing party of China at the time) onto tiny Formosa in 1949.
They’re still there.
So incidentally is Fidel Castro. After 49 years.
NEVER underestimate the danger, of communism.
A terrible record he has. And as you point out, as a Republican President he would not receive much criticism from other Rs, nor Demorats since his leftist stance suits most of them just fine. He tampered with the lst amndmt w/ McCain-Feingold, and would work to dismantle the 2nd. The appointment of Sullivan is living, stinking proof that Jorge Bush is no conservative and has gone beyond the left if you willl, he only seeks to smash all borders and dissolve our sovereignty to merge us into One World. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and is painfully clear now. Soros, who hates our guts, is McAmnesty’s financier. You may as well vote for the other 2 rats.
Welcome to FR.
It's not brain surgery.
Completely wrong.
(Not) voting for McCain for whatever justifiable reason, hands all three branches of American government to socialists:
Executive.
Legislative.
Supreme Court.
Think about that!! Think about a liberal Supreme Court, a socialist president and democrats controlling Congress.
THINK. Please.
Communism can happen in America.
In fact, it’s pretty close.
STOP IT.
“I find it difficult to believe that a military man would be against the Second Amendment”.
Obama is on record for handgun confiscation, I doubt that goes for McCain.
a little hyperbole goes a ways
I tend to agree with this arguement. Should Obama get the nom the Clintons will let loose on him. He would not get anything done as pres and in 2010 Republicans coud regain both house and senate. But we need Rs with backbone.
How do you propose that we get our guns back after a Hillbama presidency with a democrat congress?
Thanks, I’ve been around awhile and it’s a great forum. You think he will drop his quest for an open border with Mexico (and therefore the whole world), join the NRA and fire the likes of Sullivan et al, nominate conservatives to the SC, protect our First Amndmt, quit screaming F@#&**g moron at every colleague who crosses him, send Juan Hernandez back to Mexico? In other words, reverse everything he has been and done, a leapard changing its spots? You want another RINO, on steroids? Wake up and face reality.
Thank you for your GOP-bashing post.
With all due respect for the time you took to write all that, I do (not) click on blind links... Unknown websites can contain malicious code, or any number of things.
How about you explain in plain English, your point.
Thanks ever so much. :)
Did you listen to the Dem debate this week?
This is getting insane. McCain voted against the brady bill and the assault weapons ban. To attack him on this front is stupid squared.
You’ve been around for a couple months.
James Carville? Is that you? :)
Welcome to FR.
Look.
It’s time to face facts.
I was a Duncan Hunter supporter. Probably before you were.
He flopped. I was stunned, depressed, outraged even, that such an obviously brilliant man could be so (equally obviously) undermined by an unholy tag-team of leftwing media, and China-first “conservatives”.
I wanted Bush impeached, for his support of amnesty.
That said, it’s time to fact facts.
If (either) democrat wins, America is screwed.
Bad.
You know, that was actually sort of funny the first dozen times you McCain haters used it.
HL Richardson and also Bob Dornan were great representatives and it seems long ago, now. Hunter is in that mold, but it seems like a dying breed. You know the thing about McCain that really gets me? I voted for him in the primary of 2000, then later read several articles about how, strangely, he had a record of voting against veterans’ issues...there was more, later on: he fought like a wildcat to stop any investigation of the Vietnam government concerning POWs who still might have been alive in captivity in Hanoi and/or elsewhere in NV. Was rude and insulting to the families who had tried for so long to get an investigation moving again when there was evidence of this. There is voluminous material on this and other things and if you click on Viet Vets against John McCain you will realize he would be even more dangerous than the witch ;or Obomba and would knock down any opposition.
No need to shout.
Thank you.
Uh, you do realize I’m being sarcastic, right? I thought the big, flashing, red all caps preceded and followed by exclamation points (not to mention the misspellings and improper punctuation) would be a dead give away.
Kiss his butt all you want. The facts remains.
Retired Army is right, exactly. And we have another year to go with this abortion of a “conservative Republican”
I know one thing, Bush’s example of a conservative is not what mine is. He meets none of the conservative examples I have been taught and have learned.
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Yes. I can see you’re advocating reason.
I have started to assume when I see shouting, it’s someone attacking McCain.
Obviously I should take a break, I’m actually a bit p*ssed off and the lack of even one clue, about what’s at stake in this election, by people I would expect more from.
Carry on.
If you mean FR, yes, 3 months. I’ll bet generally speaking, I’ve been around a lot longer than a lot of youse.
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