Fredipedia.US: The Definitive Fred Thompson Quick-Reference
Posted on 11/23/2007 7:02:20 PM PST by Josh Painter
Duncan Hunter is a good man, a true patriot and a very conservative Republican, although not a small-government, new federalist one. He's still a much better choice than Rudy McRombee, hands down.
I'm a Fred Thompson supporter, but I nevertheless like and admire Hunter. Oh sure, I have a few nits to pick with the man. His less than sterling attendance record in the U.S. House is one. His voting record on fiscal issues is another. Finally, his opposition to free trade is a non-starter for me, although those with a more populist bent will see it as a big plus. However, Duncan Hunter may have more expertise on military matters than anyone else in Washington, D.C. That's why I believe he would be an outstanding SECDEF in a Fred Thompson administration.
I'm not exactly sure why, despite being in the race for the GOP presidential nomination for nearly a year, Hunter has failed to gain traction as a candidate. Perhaps his campaign has not served him well. Perhaps the media hasn't given him enough "face time." Or perhaps some of his more zealous backers are having the opposite effect on his campaign than the one they desire.
That's why this one goes out to those Duncan Hunter supporters who have felt the need to bash Fred Thompson on the political discussion forums, especially on FRee Republic and more especially on the Fred Thompson threads there:
Blame Fred ThompsonMy apologies to the writers of South Park.
(to the tune of Blame Canada)
Times have changed
FReepers are getting worse
They won’t obey their betters
They want to put Thompson first!
Should we blame Club for Growth?
Or blame NTU?
Or should we blame Tanc and the Huckster too?
No, blame Fred Thompson
Blame Fred Thompson
With all their beady little eyes
Those Fredheads are so full of lies
Blame Fred Thompson
Blame Fred Thompson
We need to form a full assault
It’s all Fred Thompson’s fault!
Don’t blame me
For Duncan’s not made a dent
He’s been running nearly a year
And he’s only got four percent!
And our guy Hunter
Should be on everyone’s minds
But he’s lagging so far behind!
Well, blame Fred Thompson
Blame Fred Thompson
It seems that everything’s gone wrong
Since Fred Thompson came along
Blame Fred Thompson
Blame Fred Thompson
He’s not even a real conservative anyway
Duncan could’ve been a contender ahead in the race
Instead nobody even recognizes his face
Should we blame the candidate?
Should we blame his campaign?
Or the donors who shunned him in vain?
Heck no!
Blame Fred Thompson
Blame Fred Thompson
With his federalist hullabaloo
And that bi*ch Matalin too
Blame Fred Thompson
Shame on Fred Thompson
For...
His race we must stop
His dash we must bash
His campaign and run
Must all be undone
We must blame him and cause a FReeper fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!!
SABAZZ!
I think no one should attack Fred or Duncan.
We should focus our time (in the primaries) on eliminating Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Romney from the race. In that order....according to their level of liberalism,insanity, and acting.
We need both Fred and Duncan in this coarse of time.
Duncan may be big on Military spending, but he voted against raising pay and benefits to the troops. Not to mention, he’s missed almost 30% of the votes and many of them National Security related.
Interesting. I’ve been so enraged at his childish supporters, I never bothered to dig up any info on Hunter himself.
Frankly Hunter is my third choice for running mate. Tancredo has been a much stronger voice in the conservative community than Hunter ever was. But I still take Paul over both just to lock up the necessary votes(and make no mistake, they are necessary) to get Thompson in the White House.
But I realize many disagree.
Ditto .... what you said
I did not know about Hunter’s votes on military pay and benefits. He has several big spending bills that he has voted for, and he votes no on military pay? Who would have thought it.
I find his earmarks for DP-2 to be problematic because they’ve gone on so long without successful tests. A project needs to show some sign of success to end up being funded for so long.
I don’t want to say anything negative about him because he is a conservative, yet it troubles me that some supporters think he is without flaw which just isn’t true.
And there are a few ethics issues like the banking scandal he was involved in about 1993. An ethics issue. The congress ought to live by the same rules as the rest of the country, as Fred says was a reason he was elected in 1994. That banking scandal gave rise to a lot of the feelings that congresspersons act in unethical ways and think they are above the law. And the earmarks which several in Congress have been trying to do something about. Many have engaged in earmarks but that is an ethics issue and some Republicans are trying to do stop them. It would be nice if Hunter would make a statement to support those trying to end the use of earmarks.
Hunter’s supporters act as if we are supposed to ignore his problems and he doesn’t have to explain or give a statement about any of it.
What has he said about limited government that any voter should think he would do any better in the presidency than he has done in congress?
Fred made statements and firmed up his position on immigration a long time ago. Even though some didn’t understand what he meant by enforce the law.
It would be nice if Hunter could be as forthright as Fred on some of these things instead of Hunter or his supporters referring to Fred as a johnny come lately, then ignoring Guiliani and sanctuary cities and Huckabee and his immigration past. What is that compared to someone who hasn’t made a move yet like Guiliani and Huckabee!
Thanks for this post Josh, well done.
I agree with you. If all of us that support the conservative candidates will get together and put our support behind the one that has the greatest numbers - that candidate could pull significantly ahead. If we can’t do that, then we will lose.
But ultimately you would vote for him in a split second in the generals...if that was your chose?
I would...wouldn’t think twice. I just don’t think he’ll get there. Any sort of difference I have with duncan supporters is so SMALL in comparison to Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, Romney supporters...
Our focus should be there, and so should the Duncan supporters. Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Romney are the threat to our conservative principles. We should be allied on that.
Paul’s one of the most disliked candidates among the republicans. I believe Ramussen says 25% of SC incredibly dislikes him. I would say anyone using him as a running mate would disenfrancise more voter than they’d gain. And I’m not really sure you or anyone would want many of those voters.
Some of them are wacky conspiro types.
JMO.
Yes, I would vote for Duncan should he be the nominee.
However, that doesn’t mean I’m going to keep giving his supporters a pass when they attack FRed.
I, too, have asked for no attacks on FRed by Duncan supporters, and have myself refrained from attacking Duncan’s mistakes, and believe me, he has made some in his 26 years.
No more.
I don’t buy that. It’s tough talk on websites and polling, but I have a really hard time believing enough Republicans would drop Thompson just because he’s running with a more extreme federalist than him. Especially given the fact that VP is, for practical purposes, a worthless position.
Duncan Hunter was never charged with any wrongdoing. His good friend Randy “Duke” Cunningham was convicted of influence peddling, but Hunter is not guilty by association. The Dems would like to taint Hunter for his friendship with Cunningham, much as some Hunter supporters have tried to taint Fred Thompson for his friendship with McCain.
The House of Representatives is a good ol’ boys club, just like the Senate. Nothing wrong with that. In the old days, pre-Clinton, members in both houses commonly developed friendships even with members of the opposing political parties. They put aside their differences at the end of each days’ session and were civil to each other.
So let’s confine our criticism of Hunter to the issues, and let’s not fall for the liberals’ leftist lies about Duncan Hunter. The Dems would try to fabricate something based on Hunter’s association with Cunningham and tell the lie over and over again if Hunter was the GOP nominee - no doubt about that.
There’s enough in the issues to make me prefer Thompson, but I’m primarily a small-government conservative to whom spending issues are high on my list of importance.
Like I said, Hunter’s a good man. I don’t have any ethical problems with him at all. I trust his honesty and consider him to be of good character until proven otherwise, and nobody has proven otherwise because there’s nothing there.
pissant,
Do you agree with this approach?
...Duncan Hunter admitted, in an USA story 11/30/05, that he teamed with Rep. Cunningham and other lawmakers to allocate $190 million for automated data conversion projects from 1993 to 2001— programs the Defense Department neither wanted nor requested. Rep. Hunter also sought out tens of millions of dollars in earmarks for Audre and ADCS, and pushed the Pentagon to purchase their products. In return, Mr. Wilkes steered at least $39,200 in campaign contributions to Rep. Hunter.
That’s not leftist, it’s fact. BTW, the investigation is stalled, not closed. Duncan still has not produced requested documents.
I’m thoroughly enjoying the show. Carry on.
Fredipedia: The Definitive Fred Thompson Reference
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The DoD and the Pentagon said the same thing about Hunter's push to get more B-2 bombers built; they did not request those bombers, and they said they didn't want or need them. Less than a decade later, such bombers saw heavy use.
As I've said before, Hunter tends to be right more often than not when it comes to matters like this.
One more thing you should think about. If Duncan’s supporters came on board with Fred, you are still only looking at 2%, if Tancredo’s followed, maybe another 2%, if all of them came on board. We need to break the lock that Romney and Rudy have on Republicans. They can’t be conservatives if they support one of these two...they must be RINOS. Conservatives do not support RINOs. At least, they shouldn’t. Maybe they are just uninformed and going with the “most electable” against Rudy. Based on the MSM, Romney is their best choice. The MSM do not, more than any other candidate, and I don’t know why, want Fred Thompson and they will go out of their way to make everyone believe that his candidacy is dead.
Fred Thompson is an outstanding candidate and there is still plenty of time for him to get that across. Most of Iowa and New Hampshire (from looking at all these polls) have not set their feet in concrete for their candidate.
I have because he is the best candidate of them all.
Really? When was that? EXPRESSING THE SENSE OF CONGRESS THAT BASIC PAY FOR MEMBERS OF ARMED FORCES SHOULD BE INCREASED -- (House of Representatives - November 06, 2007)
BTW, Duncan Hunter was not one of the 23, but was one of the 409.
he’s missed almost 30% of the votes and many of them National Security related.
Please provide source and links for this claim. Thanks!
I couldn't agree more. All the threads pitting Hunter supporters against Thompson supporters and vice versa are counter productive and personally I wouldn't mind the moderators getting a bit more aggressive in their thankless work.
See post #21 on how Hunter voted against raising the troops’ pay. *rolls eyes*
Fred’s fault ... ;o)
I am sure he has made some mistakes in 27 years. I wonder how many he made in his first 8 years?
I would vote against censorship.
I know lots of people lump Thompson and Hunter together, but I don’t. To me, Thompson is no better than Romney or Guilianni. They are all running to the right during the campaign and they will all govern from the center once elected. That’s why I coined the term, CDEO instead of RINO. they are all republicans but are only Conservative During Elections Only.
*quirks an eyebrow* You're joking, right?
Since Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) is apparently going to explore the possibility of running for president in 2008, I thought I'd dig up some of his roll call votes. Like most Republicans, he's strong on tax cuts, but he's been part of the big government spending spree of the last 6 years. He also has a protectionist streak in him. Here are some of the more troubling votes:http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2006/10/duncan_hunters_voting_record.phpNO on NAFTA YES on No Child Left Behind YES on Sarbanes-Oxley YES on the 2003 Medicare Drug Benefit NO on CAFTA YES on 2005 Highway Bill YES on the 527 bill (like most Republicans, he flip-flopped, having first voted NO on McCain-Feingold)
Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.
Despite being a member of the Republican Study Committee, Hunter frequently votes NO on their fiscally conservative annual budgets (2006, 2005, 2003...)
We gave him a 49% on the 2005 Club for Growth scorecard. That places him 187th within the House GOP conference, out of roughly 230 members.
National Taxpayers Union shows a more telling trend. He was strong in the early 1990s, getting "B's" and one "A", but as time went by, like most politicians, his score dropped. For the past few years, he's been getting "C's".
Actually, I had a discussion on what is bashing.
It started here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926883/posts?page=121#121
and was left hanging here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926883/posts?page=129#129
Perhaps you would like to review those posts and respond?
Actually, no. I believe thompson would make a horrible president. Like I said, I disagree with alot of Hunter supporters in this regard.
I’m with you UPS. I wouldn’t even vote for Hunter if Thompson shared a ticket.
>>>See post #21 on how Hunter voted against raising the troops’ pay. *rolls eyes*
*rolls eyes* is right. That is propaganda. There was a rider on that bill. I don’t remember if it was for troop withdrawal or amnesty; but something was added.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/memoranda/fy2005/m05-21.pdf
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/memoranda/fy2007/m07-02.pdf
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/sap/109-2/hr5122sap-h.pdf
Note the last one was co-authored by Duncan Hunter.
“Despite some accusations of ties to men convicted or charged in the scandal of his friend and former U.S. Rep. Randy Cunningham, that relationship has not dogged Hunter on the campaign trail. Beyond a defense attorney’s failed effort to subpoena him and other lawmakers, Hunter’s name has not surfaced in any of the investigations linked to the now-imprisoned Cunningham.”
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/10/28/news/sandiego/30_19_4610_27_07.txt
First, the way CFG handled Hunter (is apparently going to explore the possibility of running for president in 2008) was just plain nasty.
Second, they have Paul up there for all the world to see, but no Hunter.
Third, of the 3 years that CFG uses to prove Hunter is not fiscally conservative, one of them, 2003, was the Toomey of Pennsylvania substitute amendment. The thing only received 80 out of 422 votes. There had to have been a major problem with that amendment for that kind of vote, IMHO.
Do you know why his scores went down with the NTU and Club for growth?
Massive defense cuts. Hunter opposed.
Handing our sovereignty over to WTO, NAFTA, etc. Hunter opposed. Signing suicide pact with China - Hunter opposed.
earmarking millions for defense projects, border fences and detention facilities.
Thems the facts.
He might not be a bad president, but he has a weak record.
Duncan Hunter has missed 322 votes (28.8%) during the current Congress.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/h000981/
He’s running for President. How much has Tanc and McCain missed?
Ron Paul has missed 280 votes (25.1%) during the current Congress.
Tom Tancredo has missed 311 votes (27.9%) during the current Congress.
I think it’s thievery by all of them.
I don't think counting not voting for adjournment, approving the journal, quorum calls and the like should count against them.
After a quick perusal I think all their salaries should be cut. Did you see some of the junk they vote on? *shaking head* What a colossal waste of time and our money!
Who are those sponsors now...?
October 26, 2007
Sen. Hagel co-sponsors WWII GI Bill
This week IAVA and Congress took another large step toward passing a WW II style GI Bill. Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska) signed on as a co-sponsor to S.22, the Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Act. S.22 would greatly expand education benefits for returning servicemembers by paying the full cost of tuition (at most schools) on top of a monthly living stipend.
Senator Hagel joined 23 other Senators as co-sponsors, including Republican Senators Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. With this level of bi-partisan support it will be difficult for Congress to ignore the growing need for GI Bill reform.
IAVA is grateful to all the Senators who had the courage to co-sponsor S.22:
Sen Baucus, Max [MT]
Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM]
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA]
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH]
Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. [PA]
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY]
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME]
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL]
Sen Hagel, Chuck [NE]
Sen Harkin, Tom [IA]
Sen Inouye, Daniel K. [HI]
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA]
Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA]
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ]
Sen McCaskill, Claire [MO]
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ]
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD]
Sen Reid, Harry [NV]
Sen Sanders, Bernard [VT]
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME]
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI]
Sen Tester, Jon [MT]
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI]
Sen Wyden, Ron [OR]
http://www.iava.org/blog/2007/10/26/sen-hagel-co-sponsors-wwii-gi-bill
See a pattern there, Smurf?
ANd one of their main issues they lay our thusly....
A Broken Military: Iraq War Threatens Readiness>/b>
| updated: June 29, 2007
Summary
Since 2001, 1.5 million American service members have served in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. As of June 2007, about 26,000 troops were serving in Afghanistan and 154,000 troops were serving in Iraq. The forces currently in Iraq or deploying in the next few months represent half of the Army's combat brigades.
According to military experts from General Colin Powell to former Defense Secretary Lawrence Korb, years of war and the current "surge" in Iraq have pushed our military to the breaking point. Retired Major General Robert Scales has said simply, "We're running out of soldiers faster than we're running out of warfighting missions." And General Peter Schoomaker, the Chief of Staff of the United States Army, warns:
While our Soldiers are responding with extraordinary commitment, particularly in the face of adversity and personal hardships, we cannot allow this condition to persist.
In recent weeks the shortfalls have become apparent even within Iraq. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, who commands US troops in northern Iraq, has admitted he does not have enough troops to complete missions in Diyala.
Facing serious problems with recruitment, the military has been forced to lower age, education, and aptitude standards for new recruits, as well as increase enlistment bonuses. The costs of retention have sky-rocketed. The military has also held 70,000 troops on active duty beyond their expected contract end-dates and has called up more than 10,000 veterans who have not put on a uniform in years.
The military now regularly requires troops to serve multiple, extended combat tours. Over 449,000 troops have served more than one combat tour, and many have returned to war with only a few months rest. Active-duty Army combat tours are now 15 months long, with only half the recommended "dwell time" at home between tours. According to an Army survey, "soldiers are 50 percent more likely" to suffer from a mental health problem if they serve multiple tours. For more information about the mental health effects of war, see the IAVA report: "Mental Health Problems among Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans."
Equipment shortages are also a serious issue, contributing to the plummeting readiness ratings of Army and Marine units. As of September 2006, "Roughly one-half of all Army units (deployed and non-deployed, active and reserves) receive the lowest readiness rating any fully formed unit can receive."
The overuse of the Guard and Reserve are threatening our ability to cope with domestic emergencies. About four-fifths of Army Guard and Reserve units not mobilized received the lowest possible readiness rating. State officials have expressed grave concerns about the damage done to our national security. As Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius said after her state was devastated by tornados:
"Fifty percent of our trucks are gone. Our front loaders are gone. We are missing Humvees that move people. We can't borrow them from other states because their equipment is gone. It's a huge issue for states across the country."
Nice, smurf, real nice.
http://www.iava.org/component/option,com_/Itemid,66/option,content/task,view/id,2465/
Couple Continues Crusade For Fallen Service Members -
U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter Helps Couple In Their Fight
SAN DIEGO — Since their son died, a Rancho Peñasquitos couple has been involved in a crusade to make sure every dead service member gets the proper welcome when their bodies are brought home.
Progress has been made, but there’s still a way to go.
Matthew Holley grew up to be a soldier.
http://www.10news.com/news/6719959/detail.html
G'night y'all.
Gnight Justa!! Pleasant dreams
HUNTER CONDEMNS FLAG-FOLDING RECITATION BAN
House.gov ^ | 10/30/07 | Duncan Hunter/Staff
Posted on 10/31/2007 8:10:42 AM PDT by pissant
Washington, D.C. – Today, U.S. Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA), ranking Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, condemned the National Cemetery Administration’s decision to prohibit the recitation of a common flag-folding ceremony at military burials. The ceremony requires that the American flag be folded 13 times while the significance of each fold is recited.
“The National Cemetery Administration’s decision to ban this symbolic and respected tradition is a disservice to anyone who has have ever worn a uniform for this country,” said Congressman Hunter. “The flag folding ceremony serves not only to memorialize the service and sacrifice of those being honored, but also all those who have served in America’s armed forces.
“This decision is completely unjustified and should be reversed immediately. Our veterans deserve nothing less.”
The National Cemetery Administration reportedly changed the flag-folding recitation policy following a complaint at Riverside National Cemetery in California. Specifically, objections were made to one of the many religious references in the ceremony.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1918945/posts
John Holley is a great guy. He also likes our man Duncan!
The American Legion: Defense Bill Benefits Veterans, Troops.
American Legion National Commander John Brieden praised Congress and President Bush for enacting legislation today that strengthens the nation’s defense and improves the quality of life for troops and veterans. The president signed the FY-2004 National Defense Authorization Act.
“The men and women of The American Legion should be proud that Congress passed, and President Bush signed into law, a lot of measures we fought for,” Brieden said, “Those provisions include military pay raises, authority to spend nearly three and half percent of GDP on defense, reasonable environmental regulations that do not interfere with military training, and access to health insurance for Guard and Reserve personnel and their families who lack coverage.
“For generations, the retired pay of more than a half-million military retirees with service-connected disabilities has been taxed the amount of their disability compensation. I am not disappointed that this measure will provide relief to some service-disabled military retirees. I welcome helping some of the service-disabled military retirees, although many who are covered under this concurrent-receipt compromise will pass on before they receive their full benefit, because it will be phased in over 10 years. The American Legion will continue to fight to expedite the benefit and to provide it to all service-disabled military retirees.
“We deeply appreciate members of Congress, on both sides of the aisle, for making long-overdue progress on this issue, especially longstanding concurrent-receipt champion Rep. Mike Bilirakis and the 375 co-sponsors of his bill, especially Reps. Chris Smith, Walter Jones, Rob Simmons and Rick Renzi. I further congratulate Rep. Jim Marshall, and the 203 signers of his discharge petition, and I commend his legislative initiative. On the Senate side, I thank Sen. Harry Reid, who has fought hard on behalf of service-disabled military retirees, and the 69 co-sponsors of his concurrent-receipt bill.
“For sending President Bush a defense authorization that otherwise underscores a commitment to military readiness and gratitude to our troops and their families, I congratulate conference-committee negotiators, including Representatives Duncan Hunter, Ike Skelton, Roy Blunt, Steny Hoyer, Tom DeLay, Nancy Pelosi, as well as Senators John Warner, Carl Levin, Ted Stevens, and Bob Byrd. This is another non-partisan problem that requires a bi-partisan solution.”
The 2.8 million-member American Legion, the nation’s largest veterans organization, supported numerous provisions that were enacted today with the stroke of the president’s pen:
— Authority to spend up to 3.4 percent of GDP on defense (The Legion has been fighting for at least 3.5 percent);
— Regulatory reform to balance, rather than place at odds, military training and environmental protection;
— An average military pay raise of slightly more than 4 percent;
— A $100 raise in military family-separation allowance to $250 per month through 2004;
— A $150 raise in imminent-danger pay to $225 per month through 2004;
— A cut in the average amount of housing expenses paid by service members from the current 7.5 percent to 3.5 percent in fiscal year 2004 and elimination of the out-of-pocket expense completely by FY-05;
— Tricare access for Guard and Reserve personnel and their families who lack health insurance; and
— Full commissary privileges for drilling and retired service members of the Guard and Reserve.
A “tax” on the retired pay of military retirees with service-connected disabilities rated 50 percent to 100 percent by the Department of Veterans Affairs would be phased out over 10 years. Under existing law, military retirees are the only federal retirees who are “taxed” a dollar of their retired pay for every dollar they receive in disability compensation. Further, a special Defense Department pay created last year would be expanded to cover all military retirees (including Guard and Reserve) with Purple Heart-related, combat-related or combat training-related disabilities, instead of merely those with disability ratings of at least 60 percent. A commission comprised of congressional and administration appointees would study the entire disability- and death-compensation programs and other assistance provided to veterans and their survivors.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-110536380.html
Duncan Hunter: Fire State Dept. ‘Refuseniks’ Hire Wounded Warriors
The ranking Republican on the House Armed Services Committee has called on the President to fire State Department personnel who refused to be deployed to Iraq and replace them with wounded veterans at Walter Reed and Bethesda Hospitals.
“We have a lot of wounded warriors at the [military] hospitals — a pool of great talent,” Rep. Duncan Hunter (R.-Cal.), the last Republican chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and now a candidate for his party’s presidential nomination in ’08, told me outside the White House last week. Hunter was going to a meeting with President Bush as well as former Sen. Bob Dole (R.-Ka.), former Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala, and other members of the panel recommending reforms of hospital for veterans.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23275
There’s a wealth of info in your posts. Bookmarking to read more thoroughly later.
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