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Stem cells fend off lung cancer
Nature ^ | November 10, 2006 | Charlotte Schubert

Posted on 11/11/2006 7:20:07 PM PST by cryptical

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To: Yaelle

I thought so too. I don't get it.


41 posted on 11/11/2006 9:02:23 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: dogbyte12
Question the ethics of using it, don't deny the science,

Bingo. Too bad the gun-grabbers will never understand this concept.

42 posted on 11/11/2006 9:05:17 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: claudiustg
Them stem $ell$ can do anything!

Relax. Interferon was all the rage 30 years ago. Personally, I believe in research. My brother who died of leukenmia would be alive today if the research drugs were available 5 years sooner.

43 posted on 11/11/2006 9:07:26 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: swheats

--did it depend on sacrificing a human embryo to find a cure.--

There are already about 60 strains of hESCs active when can generate countless more embryonic stem cells. There are probably over a hundred thousand frozen embryos that will eventually be destroyed or 'die' even if not used for medical research. I don't see that embryonic stem cell research requires any additional 'sacrifice' of a human embryo.


44 posted on 11/11/2006 9:08:24 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: trumandogz

Ummm. Does everyone who has lung cancer smoked?


45 posted on 11/11/2006 9:09:18 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: retMD; UpAllNight

Bingo. I like your thought, reasoned and logical thinking. Not pessimism and hysteria.


46 posted on 11/11/2006 9:12:44 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Cobra64

--Ummm. Does everyone who has lung cancer smoked?--

Are you implying that smoking is safe?


47 posted on 11/11/2006 9:12:55 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: swheats
"...hold the promise of curing diseases that adult stem cells don't."

Which diseases?

Alzheimers, Parkinson's, paralysis from spinal cord injuries, to name a few.

Researching penicillin and cipro, did it depend on sacrificing a human embryo to find a cure.

Which doesn't really have anything to do with the question you originally asked and I answered.

If this isn't to keep abortion rare and legal, what benefit is it for cloning.

I'm not sure I understand the question. Scientists and those who hope for cures from ESC do so for the obvious reasons: They want scientific progress in the area, and the cures it may bring. Also, for the researchers involved, you can add recognition, fame and money.

I do thank you for responding. I'll search it out to find the answers I need.

You're welcome. In your search, I encourage you to learn the scientific issues involved. When arguing the ethics, it will be more effective if you do so with understanding of the science.

48 posted on 11/11/2006 9:14:59 PM PST by retMD
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To: dogbyte12

Let me give you the bottom line so far: for ESC, the score is ZERO treatments and ZERO human clinical trials. For adult and cord blood, it is 60 treatments and 1,175 human clinical trials. I OPPOSE ESCs on both moral and scientific grounds. Why should we spend money and attention on ESCs when the other, non-ESCs are yielding great results. Makes no sense.


49 posted on 11/11/2006 9:18:35 PM PST by sruleoflaw
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
And as long as you're not one taking the lives of innocent human embryos. The harm done to the evil-doer is even greater than the harm done to the victim of the evil act.

-A8

50 posted on 11/11/2006 9:22:57 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: UpAllNight
Are you implying that smoking is safe?

Nope. You seemed to have missed the point. Since i am not a doctor, nor a cancer research scientist; is all lung cancer caused by smoking?

51 posted on 11/11/2006 9:31:54 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: dogbyte12
Question the ethics of using it, don't deny the science, unless you have evidence to support you.

Whether they mean it or not, the anti-ESC people come off as kind of creepy, because they look like they are rooting for cancer and for people to stay paralyzed

52 posted on 11/11/2006 9:37:01 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: cryptical
Embryonic stem cells, the controversial and versatile cells that seem able to do just about anything, have now expanded their repertoire into cancer prevention...

Their repertoire so far being:

1) Heavily rejected by the host.

2) Causing cancer.

3) No actual working treatments for humans.

Compared to adult stem cells which have them beat on the last point 70 to nothing.

The opening sentence is so misleading as to be a lie.

53 posted on 11/11/2006 9:38:00 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: retMD

"No that wasn't my original question."

I responded to your example. That's an interesting idea. Ethics and science, in this current environment is that still possible?


54 posted on 11/11/2006 9:39:36 PM PST by swheats (BE STRONG. STAY VIGILANT! Our Victory still depends on you.)
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To: CyberAnt
Hmmmm?? Maybe it wasn't the stem cells .. maybe the effects of smoking they used are all a lie ..??

I have to assume they had control mice that did not get the treatment that were compared against. This is normal practice, and the research is a total sham if they didn't.

55 posted on 11/11/2006 9:41:07 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: cryptical

"Embryonic stem cells, the controversial and versatile cells that seem able to do just about anything"


These types of stem cells have never cured anything. This is propaganda.


56 posted on 11/11/2006 9:41:56 PM PST by BLS (If it breathes, tax it, and if it stops breathing, find its children and tax them (DNC))
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To: CyberAnt
Yep, and here it was in the article:

The stem-cell injection protected 20 out of 25 mice from developing tumours, whereas tumours grew in all unvaccinated mice.

57 posted on 11/11/2006 9:42:12 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

--Their repertoire so far being:

1) Heavily rejected by the host.

2) Causing cancer.

3) No actual working treatments for humans.



Isn't it a problem of rejection by the hose with adult stem cells, also?

The study of ESCs may lead us to a better understanding of cancer developement.

Give some time. The first ESC strain was not isolated until 1998.


58 posted on 11/11/2006 9:45:12 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: dogbyte12
Question the ethics of using it, don't deny the science, unless you have evidence to support you.

But the science doesn't support embryonic research at this time. If it did as advertised, they wouldn't need the federal research dollars because the pharmaceutical companies would be all over it with their own bucks.

In the future--who knows? But such speculation is not science. This is all about hype for research grant money.

59 posted on 11/11/2006 9:46:55 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: UpAllNight
Give some time

... and lots of cold, hard cash.

60 posted on 11/11/2006 9:47:43 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Mike Pence for minority-leader.)
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