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What I Just Overheard in the Teacher's Lounge
A Middle School Near You | 26OCT06 | a_perfect_lady

Posted on 10/26/2006 11:25:28 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady

I just sat in the teacher's lounge of my middle school and listened to my fellow teachers hold forth about President Bush, the war in Iraq, and politics in general. Naturally they all agree that Bush is evil, the anti-christ, a religious fanatic, well not really a true religious fanatic, but a phony pretending to be one, actually an evil schemer who started the war to allow Halliburton to steal the oil, but really a simpleton who thought he could bring democracy to a culture that is incompatible with democracy, well they are but it will take a long time and he obviously thought he could do it overnight because he's naive and really just schemed to do it for Halliburton anyway....

In other words, they leap from one cliche to the next, never noticing that the cliches and conspiracies are mutually exclusive, and they talk and talk without listening to anything but their own voices.

But this is what really got me: Several of them said that we should release Saddam Hussein, put him back in charge of Iraq, declare defeat, pull out, impeach Bush and try him for crimes against humanity. These are your kids' teachers. And they really believe this. As far as they can tell, there was no sectarian violence under Saddam because "He knew how to handle them." (The fact that Iraq didn't have a free press and they wouldn't have been reading the Iraqi papers back in the 1990s anyway seems to escape them.) They believe that we haven't helped Afghanistan rebuild, that we should have invaded North Korea instead but we didn't because there's no oil there, that we should have invaded Iran (despite the fact that there is oil there - presumably - and we would have no justification to present the sacred UN for that.)

In other words, these people are limitlessly arrogant, uninformed, and LOUD. I sat quietly until someone asked me a direct question and I told them that I think we did the right thing and that they are wrong to think that Bush had no idea it would take a long time to bring stability to Iraq, as he had said from the beginning it would be a long, hard haul. Let me tell you, once they realized I wasn't part of the chorus they started talking at me a mile a minute. They would just spout accusation after accusation and not let me say a full sentence back. Occasionally I'd ask a question, like, "Are you aware that the Johns Hopkins study that claims an Iraqi death toll of 655,000 used only 47 cluster samples, which is an abnormally low sample?" But for the most part, I couldn't get a word in. They just talk and talk like a monkey jumping from tree to tree. Welcome to publik skool.


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These are my co-workers. Very nice folks, in most other regards. But stark, raving lunatics, nevertheless. I urge all freepers to homeschool if possible.
1 posted on 10/26/2006 11:25:29 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

Did you respond to them, or just let them go unchallenged?


2 posted on 10/26/2006 11:27:24 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

So what geographic area are we talking about here?


3 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:02 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I've noticed lefties on talk radio speaking a lot more about putting Saddam back in power in the last few days. It must be a new talking point for them.


5 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:50 AM PDT by aynrandfreak (Islam came up with "Zero" to describe the rest of their creative output)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Just laff in their faces and walk away. Don't respond to fools..................


6 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (CONGRESS NEEDS TO BE DE-FOLEY-ATED...............................)
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To: theDentist

She TRIED to respond to them, but like all libs they just don't WANT to hear the truth. They are FRIGHTENED of the truth. I know, I've been a few rounds with their type, and I presented written proof, but they said, and I quote one of them, "I don't have time for this trash."


7 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:51 AM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Next time, speak up and make yourself heard. These people usually have no facts whatsoever to back up their cliches.


8 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:55 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: A_perfect_lady
Well, I admire your courage, but I wouldn't have confronted them. I think they're terribly wrong to discuss politics in the workplace to begin with, and you've likely done nothing but bought yourself a daily helping of cold shoulder.

Put in that position, I usually say something like, "I'm a righty" or "should we really be talking about that here?"

9 posted on 10/26/2006 11:31:01 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I sat quietly until someone asked me a direct question and I told them that I think we did the right thing

Somebody's about to lose a teaching job!

10 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:05 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan,)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Did you tell them that they are anti-American leftw-ing fascist Nazi idiots who should leave this great nation and go live with their terrorist friends?
11 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:17 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: A_perfect_lady

I put mine in a Christian school. Tuition hurts the budget something awful... but I'd rather raise morally right kids that subject them to the trash in public school.

Also, their math scores jumped 35 percentage points the first year (from a low F to a high D) and this year, my youngest is making straight As, my middle child is a solid C+ all around, and my oldest is now getting a C in Math with everything else A's and B's. Nationally the schools is testing 1 year, 7 months ahead of their grade levels so I'm am just as happy as can be.


12 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:28 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: A_perfect_lady

No offense to you, perfect lady, but this is one of the reasons why I homeschool.

People with these reasoning, analytical and fact-gathering skills are qualified to teach my kids how . . .????


13 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:40 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Elpasser

She probably wouldn't stand a chance. Liberals like to bully people who use fact and reason instead of shrieking hysteria - case in point, the odious Rosie O'Donnell.


14 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:43 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: A_perfect_lady; theDentist

I see your screen name suits you! I'm sorry you had to deal with that, as I think the teachers' lounge should be just for that: lounging!

I guess it's hard to tell someone faceon: "have you considered that you're being lead on by people who would have you remain uninformed of the realities of these situations?"


15 posted on 10/26/2006 11:33:09 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: A_perfect_lady

employees of the country's public school systems are some of the most hard core moonbat Dems we have. I am not surprised at anything you posted here.


16 posted on 10/26/2006 11:33:45 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: kitkat; A_perfect_lady

Well, at least you responded in some fashion. I apologise for not seeing that.


17 posted on 10/26/2006 11:34:02 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: prion

Oh I like a bit of confrontation. Maybe if these libs are talking to her rudely she could respond by telling them that they are NEA Sheep that are just baa baaing the latest trendy set cliches.


18 posted on 10/26/2006 11:34:09 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Do you live in a blue state?


19 posted on 10/26/2006 11:34:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: A_perfect_lady

Oh yeah, release Saddam and put him back in power. What a great idea ....

Sigh.

I'm in northern California and we have the same bunch of mindless chattering loons here. I have given up on having a rational conversation around here with anyone but my husband.


20 posted on 10/26/2006 11:35:18 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Well the good thing is that kids usually don't listen to teachers much either. ;-)


21 posted on 10/26/2006 11:35:49 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

You should move...


22 posted on 10/26/2006 11:35:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: A_perfect_lady
Very nice folks, in most other regards.

I don't think there's very much I'd call nice about such abject (willful) ignorance.

23 posted on 10/26/2006 11:36:15 AM PDT by Petronski (CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Next time they try to include you in one of their diatribes just smile at them and say "My mother always taught be that is was crude and tacky to discuss politics in public."


24 posted on 10/26/2006 11:36:28 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: theDentist

Did you read what she wrote? Yes, she responded to them, but they were a bunch of magpies and talked over her.


25 posted on 10/26/2006 11:36:41 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 1:22
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Proverbs 1:32
For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Proverbs 3:35
The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

Proverbs 12:23
A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools
proclaimeth foolishness.


26 posted on 10/26/2006 11:37:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (CONGRESS NEEDS TO BE DE-FOLEY-ATED...............................)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Keep up the good fight. Don't let them get you down!


27 posted on 10/26/2006 11:37:51 AM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: carton253

Obviously you missed post 17. Did you read it?


28 posted on 10/26/2006 11:38:16 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

My kids will NEVER set foot in a public school short of College.

Thank you for my daily decision validation.


29 posted on 10/26/2006 11:38:32 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: A_perfect_lady
You are listening to school teachers. I know, they are your colleagues. Most school teachers are as dumb as a box of rocks. They are there because the curriculum in college for elementary teachers is as simple as the one for Psychology. They are all Union supporters, Democrats, liberals or all of the mentioned. Many are arrogant because they spend all day lording over children that know little of the truth. I have little respect for teachers in my area because of their arrogance, beliefs, and poor education and lack of motivation to better our children.
30 posted on 10/26/2006 11:38:38 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: A_perfect_lady

Well since you didn't tow their party line, you are now shunned...

Tolerance, ain't it grand!


31 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:23 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Monterrosa-24

"four legs good, two legs bad"


32 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:26 AM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I try not to talk to most of my friends about politics. It's better that way.

When I am Emperor of Humanity, political discussion will be outlawed anyway.


33 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:31 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Clockwatcher Extraordinaire)
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To: theDentist
No, but if you would have waited a moment before giving tit for tat, you would have had a nice post from me commenting on 17...

But you got yours in...

34 posted on 10/26/2006 11:40:37 AM PDT by carton253 (Sadness is just another word for not enough chocolate.)
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To: Inspectorette

I was watching the man show the other day, and they asked lesbians at the gay and lesbian parade if they would have sex with rosie o donnell........not a one of them (even the ugly ones) would so much as touch her........


35 posted on 10/26/2006 11:41:04 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I am shocked that they advocated the reinstallation of Saddam. Usually the liberals won't admit to it.


36 posted on 10/26/2006 11:41:22 AM PDT by AmishDude (Mwahahahahahahahaha -- official evil laugh of the North American Union)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Let me quess, they other teachers also think W/Rove/CIA pulled off 911 and made the Islamos the scapegoats. You seem to be a very sweet lady but what youre saying doesnt surprise me.


37 posted on 10/26/2006 11:41:55 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (The United States failure to act against Iran will be seen as weakness throughout the Muslim world.)
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To: theDentist
Did you respond to them?

Yes, she says she did. But have you ever tried to teach a pig to sing?

38 posted on 10/26/2006 11:42:34 AM PDT by Motherhood IS a career
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To: taxcontrol

I did the same with my son -- private Christian schools. He did have to go to a public school for a while when I was ill, but he had Christian teachers even then. I am so grateful for private schools.

Most of the time he was in school, it was much less expensive than the traditional types because the schools used ACE: the Accelerated Christian Education curriculum. It still hurt my budget but I wouldn't have been able to afford the pricy schools and ACE did a tremendous job of getting the youth educated. The average student was two grade levels ahead of the national average.


39 posted on 10/26/2006 11:42:36 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: griswold3

"Comrade Griswold is always right."


40 posted on 10/26/2006 11:42:55 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a Russian AK-47 and a French bikini.)
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To: Gaffer

We can't move until my husband gets tenure (hopefully this year). But then after that, he has a secret plan to try and get ROTC back on campus -- after the mindless loons can't fire him without cause anymore. Bwahahahah! :)


41 posted on 10/26/2006 11:44:08 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Liberals never know anything.

When they spout things like "Bush owns the Supreme Court!" ask them to name three SC justices. They can't.

When they spout things like "Put Saddam back in power!" ask them if they know when and how Saddam came to power initially. They don't know.

Any stupid cliche they bring up, just ask them a related question and challenge them to produce a correct factual answer instead of a hyperbolic cliche.

They never can. They'll stop discussing big issues in front of you, because they'll be intimidated.

They're idiots. The lot of them. And they absolutely hate it when you point it out conclusively;.

42 posted on 10/26/2006 11:45:32 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Welcome to my world.

Parents - keep an eye on your child's homework - especially in history/social studies.

43 posted on 10/26/2006 11:46:02 AM PDT by Scarchin (+)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Good luck with your (his) plan, but I think that Callie is a lost cause...there are too many liberals and illegals there (an more coming every day).... If you live in the high desert areas, then you'll probably be less affected....liberals won't live where the living isn't subsidized some way....


44 posted on 10/26/2006 11:47:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: A_perfect_lady
As a teacher you should understand this phenomenon. Leftists are very much like children who rebel against authority and test limits. But like children, they actually do listen and care what the grown-ups think. I have a variety of leftist to semi-leftist friends and acquaintances. They spout off from time to time and I tell them how I support my president and his policies. If they were true believers and dedicated to their cause that would be the end of it - they would cease the conversation and remain in their own little world. But 9 times out of 10 they keep coming back and wanting to engage again and again and again. I think they are like kids who secretly know their parents, or their teachers or other authority figures are right but are just testing limits or repeating what they heard on the school ground. So it's important to state the truth even if you think they are not listening because 9 times out of 10 they are listening.
45 posted on 10/26/2006 11:48:26 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: A_perfect_lady

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." > - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." > - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 > >

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 > >

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." > - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998 > >

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." > - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." > - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 >

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 > >

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, > December 5, 2001 > >

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." > - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 > >

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." > - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 > >

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." > - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 > >

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." > - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 >

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." > - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 > >

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." > - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002 > >

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 >

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" > - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 > >

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." > - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 > >

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." > - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 > >

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction > ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" > - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 > >


46 posted on 10/26/2006 11:49:22 AM PDT by Toby06
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yeah, and there's a lot of the Liberal Bully Boss out there, too. The guy who has to step into the hall and rant at someone trying to do his job, and feel like he's bringing wisdom to the world (while he happens to be bringing disaster to his company's bottom line). The more his company's stock goes down in a bull market, the louder he howls about Bush.


47 posted on 10/26/2006 11:49:35 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: kitkat
"I don't have time for this trash."

Typical of liberals. In fact, this encompasses their very core belief, "I'm right, I know I'm right, I don't need to CHECK that I'm right, therefore go away, there's nothing more for me to learn, because I know it all, already."

48 posted on 10/26/2006 11:49:45 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Watch your back because you have challenged the totalitarian mindset and these people will actively seek to have you dismissed from your position.

Do not touch any student, even to save him from getting run over. Don't even be alone with him. Do not advise any student concerning a personal problem. In fact, don't even listen. Just refer him to school counseling or the principal.

Do not mention the word "God" in any context while on school grounds.

Do not trust any school employee or parent who approaches you "sympathetically" and seeks to gain your confidence.

Document absolutely everything.

Get used to having a disproportionate number of the school's problem kids routed to your classes.

You are now more alone than you would be on the planet Pluto.

49 posted on 10/26/2006 11:51:34 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: A_perfect_lady
As far as they can tell, there was no sectarian violence under Saddam because "He knew how to handle them."

Yeah, those open graves and nerve gas work every time.

One of the lines making the rounds here in San Francisco is "the war has lasted longer than World War II!" As far as I can tell -- I don't know for sure because the people spouting this never qualify it -- this is only measuring the time from December 1941 when the United States declared war on Japan up until August 15, 1945, V-J Day. The numbers still don't work because the Iraq war began in April 2003, but that's beside the point; what I would say if that came up is, "It would be easy to end THIS war the way we ended WWII. It certainly would save a lot of soldiers' lives. Is that what you want?"

50 posted on 10/26/2006 11:55:40 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Dixie Chicks: "We're Not Ready To Make Sense!")
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