....please help (screams)
Posted on 06/02/2006 3:48:04 PM PDT by nj26
As President Bush's poll numbers drop dramatically even among his base, the question most frequently asked by angry Republicans is, why, oh why, is Bush so stubbornly rejecting the advice of his supporters even though that advice is consistent with the thunderous message from public opinion surveys? The reliable Rasmussen survey, for example, reports that by a 63 percent to 19 percent margin, voters want legislation that controls the borders before trying to change the status of illegal aliens. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger encapsuled the typical reaction to Bush's televised speech: "I have not heard the president say that our objective is to secure the borders no matter what it takes. That's what I want to hear."
Bush's dogmatic statement that we can't stop aliens from illegally entering our country unless legislation is packaged "together" with a guest-worker program is a non sequitur, nonsense, and untrue. So what gives?
Grassroots Republicans are speculating about explanations for Bush's behavior: (a) Bush prides himself on being a man of his word and he gave his word to Vicente Fox that he would never stop the migration of Mexicans into the United States; (b) Bush made a faustian bargain with the big-money guys who raised more political money in 2000 than all other Republicans combined in order to nominate and elect him president; (c) Bush is a globalist at heart and wants to carry out his father's oft-repeated ambition of a "new world order"; (d) Bush meant what he said, at Waco in March 2005, when he announced his plan to convert the United States into a "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America" by erasing our borders with Canada and Mexico.
Bush's guest-worker proposal would turn the United States into a boarding house for the world's poor, enable employers to import an unlimited number of "willing workers" at foreign wage-levels, and wipe out what's left of the American middle class.
Bush lives in a House well protected by a fence and security guards (and he associates with rich people who live in gated communities). Yet for five years he has refused to protect the property and children of ordinary Arizona citizens from trespassers and criminals.
Much attention has been paid to Bush's proposal to legalize the illegals currently in the United States (estimated at 10 to 20 million). Despite his denial of the A word, friends and foes alike recognize this as amnesty.
However, amnesty for 10 to 20 million is almost a drop in the bucket compared to the mammoth legalization of immigrants hiding under the deceitful words "temporary" and "guest-worker." Those words are lies because the workers are not temporary and not guests.
We are indebted to the Heritage Foundation for its stunning report proving that the so-called 614-page "compromise" bill just passed by the Senate is a stealth open borders bill that would import into our country permanently and put on the path to citizenship at least 66 million people, with the actual number rising to at least twice that number when they bring in their relatives. Every category of legal immigration will be quadrupled or quintupled, and the racket called family chain migration will be dramatically expanded.
The so-called temporary workers in their fourth year will get the right to remain in the United States permanently if they have learned English OR are enrolled in an English class, and after five years will get the right to become a U.S. citizen who can vote in U.S. elections. At the same time, the guest worker's spouse and children, without any numeric limits, will get legal permanent residence and citizenship.
After the so-called temporaries and their spouses become citizens, they acquire the right to bring in their parents as permanent residents on the path to citizenship. Siblings and adult children and their families will be given preference in future admissions.
In the words of the author of the Heritage report, Robert Rector, this is "the most monumental bill ever considered" and its mindboggling costs would be the largest-ever expansion of taxpayer-paid social benefits. Adding these millions to Medicaid, and adding their parents to Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits, will become staggering entitlement costs.
The Senate bill would make 25 percent of our population foreign born within 20 years (most of them high school dropouts), and the United States as we know it would no longer exist. It is impossible in so short a time to assimilate a hundred million people whose native culture does not respect the Rule of Law, self-government, private property, or the sanctity of contracts, and where they are accustomed to an economy based on bribery and controlled by a small, rich ruling class that keeps most of the people in dire poverty.
The United States as we KNEW it already no longer exists.
I'm thinking the most likely answer is (e) that Bush is a stubborn and determined man who thinks he is right on the issue despite the fact that we disagree. We had a poll-watcher in Clinton. It was worse.
That said, the way to deal with this is to keep insisting, to keep letting him hear our voices. One thing that will not work is to throw up our hands, ascribe his behavior to some deep dark ulterior motive, and give up.
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Being a leader and being out of step aren't the same things.
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this is why bush is so stubborn: http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15017
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Um, is the real reason our own ruling elites are pushing this is because they are looking forward to being the top dogs in an "American" turd-world system?
The House has been quiet lately but I suspect they're home in their districts getting an earful on this. We'll probably be hearing from them in a few days once again that amnesty is dead and that like Social Security Bush might want to move on.
The Founders must be rolling in their graves at the thought of that turkey even being considered.
In a word yes. Most of the Americas operate that way. Our elites are jealous.
Read it again. And again. And again....
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Not in California at any rate.
He got it on the agenda and keeps moving it. That's more than I can say for anyone else. If you don't get your own way 100% cry me a river.
We have 6 million illegals in California. You live in Florida, so you don't have a clue.
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While I don my tinfoil hat, consider the following:
Every revolution in recent history, with the exception of the American Revolution, has been instigated and carried out by the middle class. To protect the power structure of the establishment, the middle class must be destroyed. There are two very good ways to do this, and both are currently underway. One, prevent the middle class from amassing wealth through taxation. By taxing earned wealth at a higher level than inherited wealth, one can ensure that the fortunes of the working middle class are slow to accumulate. Two, flooding the market with cheap labor. By over supplying labor, one can depress wages. Depressed wages equals less expendable income, and therefore the vast majority of working middle class families has less to save. Since it is a well known fact that money equals power, the less money one has, the less power they have.
Why is Bush so stubborn? Because he's not running for reelection.
My guess is all of the above. To wit:
a. I believe that Bush is a man of his word and he made an agreement with Fox
b. He is remaining true to a bargain he made with Republican fat-cat businessmen who are profiting immensely from cheap illegal immigrant labor
c. Bush is a globalist at heart and really believes globalism is good for the USA
d. He always means what he says, and he meant what he said about the partnership with Mexico and Canada and the good it allegedly would do for the US economy.
I don't blame Bush for keeping his word or for acting on his beliefs regarding what is good for the US. Keeping your word is a very admirable trait, and men of their word are becoming exceedingly rare inside the beltway. Furthermore, if he really, truly believes that open borders are good for the US it would be wrong for him not to promote his belief. But, major but, I don't think it's ethical to keep a poorly thought out bargain with big business interests who break our immigration laws by hiring illegals and then use their purchased relationship with the president of the US of A to gain and keep his support for legalizing the illegals and make it possible for their source for cheap labor to remain intact.
I like Bush and I still believe he is an honest, straightforward, and truthful man, something sadly lacking in the White House for 8 years prior to his first term. But in all good conscience I can't support his positions on immigration and globalization issues because I truly believe that his positions are equally as bad for the US as he apparently believes they are good.
He needs to remedy that... ASAP.
No bill at all is better than a bad bill, unless you are Daffy or Donald.
This is what Bush has realized. The illegal immigration party could end tonight, but the damage for which those whom a whimsical god hath placed above us have so devoutly wished is done.
We shall enter into some sort of political union with Mexico within 100 years ... The United States of North America ... the default nationality base of which shall be Hispanic. Unless arithmetic changes, it cannot be otherwise.
It would be a lot easier to deal with the illegals, if it were not for the la la mentality in California. You think the world revolved around you to wait on you and do your bidding.
What does God have to do with it? Or should I say, what does belief in God have to do with it.
THat is what is scary. Bush and the Congress who have let all this happen have not lived up to the oath of office.
It is also the antithesis (that means "opposite," Mr. Bush) of true compassion.
There is no compassion in filling a man's stomach or his pocketbook by relieving him of his responsibilities in life. Illegal aliens have abandoned their own house in order to be comfortable in ours. By so doing neither can be the master of his own house and both will be enemies in the street. This is our house, the U.S. of A., and it is our responsibility to set the rules in it.
The issue of a guest worker program is separate from the issue of illegal aliens. If illegal aliens take jobs from Americans (and they do) they take even more jobs from foreign nationals who apply by the legal route to work here and wait years for the chance. Illegal aliens steal that chance from them.
They are different groups of people, regardless of their country of origin, and the political issues that concern them are different in their effects and needs. Confusing the two may be lethal to our society, economy and sovereignty.
We already have a guest worker program, which may indeed need to be reformed. But illegal aliens are those who have not applied to be guest workers. There are 11 million of them by some estimates, 20 million by others. The only thing needing reform concerning illegal aliens is to enforce the existing laws respecting their presence and their employment here. Our sovereignty and rule-of-law demand it.
Border security is the number one problem in this debate. The flood of illegal aliens is a major factor in relation to our lack of border security but it is only one factor. There is also a matter of national security in a time of war and in an age when terrorists have set their sights on inflicting mass destruction on our society.
After the issues of border security and millions of illegal foreign nationals on our soil the matter of guest workers is very small in comparison. Until the first two problems are thoroughly and firmly addressed the guest worker issue should not even be discussed.
The President and the Senate need to get that message with unambiguous resolve.
The best methods to control the border have been studied and debated for a long time now. There are many good ideas and proven solutions. What is lacking is only the will to do it. The cost of controlling our borders will be insignificant compared to the price we will pay, both in security and economy, if we do not.
It would be nice to help everyone in the world lift themselves up out of poverty. But we cannot take that responsibility upon ourselves especially if we ignore our own welfare to the point that we are no longer prosperous.
Other nations of the world have an obligation to help their citizens every bit as much as we have to help ours. It is one thing to help other nations prosper it is quite another to relieve them of their own responsibilities. Beyond that it is simply not realistic to think that poverty can be ended around the world. We still have some in this great nation.
We must stop pandering to American employers who criminally employ illegal foreign nationals. Dry up the jobs and illegal foreign nationals will go home. Home where they can do what they must to put their house in order just as we must put ours in order.
---Um, is the real reason our own ruling elites are pushing this is because they are looking forward to being the top dogs in an "American" turd-world system?---
Well, who in America is not hurt by massive illegal immigration? Isn't it our wealthy overlords, who do not need to rely on Social Security, public schools, and are not worried about losing their jobs and/or buying power? 10 illegals are not going to rent the house next door to them in Wellesley, MA or Los Altos Hills, CA and drop their property values throught the floor.
I do believe that is an unspoken reason for this whole amnesty debacle but here is what's puzzling about that. If the illegals are given legal status and a "pathway to citizenship" and legal immigrant quotas are increased all of those people will have to be paid numerous benefits such as retirement, vacation, family leave, medical and so on and so forth and the employer will also have to pay half of FICA.
Once they're legal in any fashion the law will require all of that. Obviously the employers who retain them now for cheap labor will no longer be interested in these people. So there must be a tacit unspoken understanding between the big business interests and the amnesty politicians that there will still be a plentiful flow of illegal aliens. How can it be any other way?
---If you don't get your own way 100% cry me a river.---
It could have something to do with people that we supported and helped elect trying to fill our ears with sh!t: they will pay back taxes, they will pay a $2000 fine, they will learn English, and they will assimilate. Oh and did you see our poll that shows most citizens support our amnesty that's not amnesty? After all, coming here illegally and using fake ID's is sort of like a traffic ticket isn't it?
In this case it's even more than that. We are a Constitutional republic meaning that the rule of law even trumps the will of the people if that will is contrary to the law. Both the will of the people and the rule of law stand in opposition to what the President and the Senate seem hell bent on not doing. Namely, securing our borders and enforcing our standing immigration law.
What they do seem to want to do may not be unConstitutional but it isn't the will of the people either and has virtually nothing to do with immigration reform unless "reform" is defined as engineering a cultural time-bomb that will destroy our economy, our way of life and ultimately the Constitution itself.
---So there must be a tacit unspoken understanding between the big business interests and the amnesty politicians that there will still be a plentiful flow of illegal aliens. How can it be any other way?---
That and the fact that they'll have an expanded market to sell into. The elites of the world have more in common with each other, than with their less fortunate fellow citizens.
That could happen very quickly and in a way that secures their positions quite firmly by pushing something so onerous and disruptive on the American people that civil unrest becomes so pervasive and uncontrollable that martial law has to be applied.
---It would be a lot easier to deal with the illegals, if it were not for the la la mentality in California. You think the world revolved around you to wait on you and do your bidding.---
In 1994 the about 63% of the citizens of California voted for this very "la la" piece of legislation. They were only stopped by a judge and a governor.
Proposition 187: Text of Proposed Law
1994 - California
This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the provisions of Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution.
This initiative measure adds sections to various codes; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are printed in {+ italic type +} to indicate that they are new.
PROPOSED LAW
SECTION 1. Findings and Declaration.
The People of California find and declare as follows:
That they have suffered and are suffering economic hardship caused by the presence of illegal aliens in this state.
That they have suffered and are suffering personal injury and damage caused by the criminal conduct of illegal aliens in this state.
That they have a right to the protection of their government from any person or persons entering this country unlawfully.
Therefore, the People of California declare their intention to provide for cooperation between their agencies of state and local government with the federal government, and to establish a system of required notification by and between such agencies to prevent illegal aliens in the United States from receiving benefits or public services in the State of California.
SECTION 2. Manufacture, Distribution or Sale of False Citizenship or Resident Alien Documents: Crime and Punishment.
Section 113 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
{+ 113. Any person who manufactures, distributes or sells false documents to conceal the true citizenship or resident alien status of another person is guilty of a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for five years or by a fine of seventy-five thousand dollars ($75,000). +}
SECTION 3. Use of False Citizenship or Resident Alien Documents: Crime and Punishment.
Section 114 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
{+ 114. Any person who uses false documents to conceal his or her true citizenship or resident alien status is guilty of a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for five years or by a fine of twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000). +}
SECTION 4. Law Enforcement Cooperation with INS.
Section 834b is added to the Penal Code, to read:
{+ 834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. +}
{+ (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: +}
{+ (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. +}
{+ (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. +}
{+ (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. +}
{+ (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited. +}
SECTION 5. Exclusion of Illegal Aliens from Public Social Services.
Section 10001.5 is added to the Welfare and Institutions Code, to read:
{+ 10001.5. (a) In order to carry out the intention of the People of California that only citizens of the United States and aliens lawfully admitted to the United States may receive the benefits of public social services and to ensure that all persons employed in the providing of those services shall diligently protect public funds from misuse, the provisions of this section are adopted. +}
{+ (b) A person shall not receive any public social services to which he or she may be otherwise entitled until the legal status of that person has been verified as one of the following: +}
{+ (1) A citizen of the United States. +}
{+ (2) An alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident. +}
{+ (3) An alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time. +}
{+ (c) If any public entity in this state to whom a person has applied for public social services determines or reasonably suspects, based upon the information provided to it, that the person is an alien in the United States in violation of federal law, the following procedures shall be followed by the public entity: +}
{+ (1) The entity shall not provide the person with benefits or services. +}
{+ (2) The entity shall, in writing, notify the person of his or her apparent illegal immigration status, and that the person must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. +}
{+ (3) The entity shall also notify the State Director of Social Services, the Attorney General of California, and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status, and shall provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. +}
SECTION 6. Exclusion of Illegal Aliens from Publicly Funded Health Care.
Chapter 1.3 (commencing with Section 130) is added to Part 1 of Division 1 of the Health and Safety Code, to read:
{+ Chapter 1.3. Publicly-Funded Health Care Services +}
{+ 130. (a) In order to carry out the intention of the People of California that, excepting emergency medical care as required by federal law, only citizens of the United States and aliens lawfully admitted to the United States may receive the benefits of publicly-funded health care, and to ensure that all persons employed in the providing of those services shall diligently protect public funds from misuse, the provisions of this section are adopted. +}
{+ (b) A person shall not receive any health care services from a publicly-funded health care facility, to which he or she is otherwise entitled until the legal status of that person has been verified as one of the following: +}
{+ (1) A citizen of the United States. +}
{+ (2) An alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident. +}
{+ (3) An alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time. +}
{+ (c) If any publicly-funded health care facility in this state from whom a person seeks health care services, other than emergency medical care as required by federal law, determines or reasonably suspects, based upon the information provided to it, that the person is an alien in the United States in violation of federal law, the following procedures shall be followed by the facility: +}
{+ (1) The facility shall not provide the person with services. +}
{+ (2) The facility shall, in writing, notify the person of his or her apparent illegal immigration status, and that the person must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. +}
{+ (3) The facility shall also notify the State Director of Health Services, the Attorney General of California, and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status, and shall provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. +}
{+ (d) For purposes of this section "publicly-funded health care facility" shall be defined as specified in Sections 1200 and 1250 of this code as of January 1, 1993. +}
SECTION 7. Exclusion of Illegal Aliens from Public Elementary and Secondary Schools.
Section 48215 is added to the Education Code, to read:
{+ 48215. (a) No public elementary or secondary school shall admit, or permit the attendance of, any child who is not a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, or a person who is otherwise authorized under federal law to be present in the United States. +}
{+ (b) Commencing January 1, 1995, each school district shall verify the legal status of each child enrolling in the school district for the first time in order to ensure the enrollment or attendance only of citizens, aliens lawfully admitted as permanent residents, or persons who are otherwise authorized to be present in the United States. +}
{+ (c) By January 1, 1996, each school district shall have verified the legal status of each child already enrolled and in attendance in the school district in order to ensure the enrollment or attendance only of citizens, aliens lawfully admitted as permanent residents, or persons who are otherwise authorized under federal law to be present in the United States. +}
{+ (d) By January 1, 1996, each school district shall also have verified the legal status of each parent or guardian of each child referred to in subdivisions (b) and (c), to determine whether such parent or guardian is one of the following: +}
{+ (1) A citizen of the United States. +}
{+ (2) An alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident. +}
{+ (3) An alien admitted lawfully for a temporary period of time. +}
{+ (e) Each school district shall provide information to the State Superintendent of Public Instruction, the Attorney General of California, and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any enrollee or pupil, or parent or guardian, attending a public elementary or secondary school in the school district determined or reasonably suspected to be in violation of federal immigration laws within forty-five days after becoming aware of an apparent violation. The notice shall also be provided to the parent or legal guardian of the enrollee or pupil, and shall state that an existing pupil may not continue to attend the school after ninety calendar days from the date of the notice, unless legal status is established. +}
{+ (f) For each child who cannot establish legal status in the United States, each school district shall continue to provide education for a period of ninety days from the date of the notice. Such ninety day period shall be utilized to accomplish an orderly transition to a school in the child's country of origin. Each school district shall fully cooperate in this transition effort to ensure that the educational needs of the child are best served for that period of time. +}
SECTION 8. Exclusion of Illegal Aliens from Public Postsecondary Educational Institutions.
Section 66010.8 is added to the Education Code, to read:
{+ 66010.8. (a) No public institution of postsecondary education shall admit, enroll, or permit the attendance of any person who is not a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident in the United States, or a person who is otherwise authorized under federal law to be present in the United States. +}
{+ (b) Commencing with the first term or semester that begins after January 1, 1995, and at the commencement of each term or semester thereafter, each public postsecondary educational institution shall verify the status of each person enrolled or in attendance at that institution in order to ensure the enrollment or attendance only of United States citizens, aliens lawfully admitted as permanent residents in the United States, and persons who are otherwise authorized under federal law to be present in the United States. +}
{+ (c) No later than 45 days after the admissions officer of a public postsecondary educational institution becomes aware of the application, enrollment, or attendance of a person determined to be, or who is under reasonable suspicion of being, in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, that officer shall provide that information to the State Superintendent of Public Instruction, the Attorney General of California, and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. The information shall also be provided to the applicant, enrollee, or person admitted. +}
SECTION 9. Attorney General Cooperation with the INS.
Section 53069.65 is added to the Government Code, to read:
{+ 53069.65. Whenever the state or a city, or a county, or any other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries reports the presence of a person who is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws to the Attorney General of California, that report shall be transmitted to the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service. The Attorney General shall be responsible for maintaining on-going and accurate records of such reports, and shall provide any additional information that may be requested by any other government entity. +}
SECTION 10. Amendment and Severability.
The statutory provisions contained in this measure may not be amended by the Legislature except to further its purposes by statute passed in each house by rollcall vote entered in the journal, two-thirds of the membership concurring, or by a statute that becomes effective only when approved by the voters.
In the event that any portion of this act or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect any other provision or application of the act, which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to that end the provisions of this act are severable.
So why would George Bush listen to a known socialist, commie such as Vicente Fox?? Could it be that GW has some left wing tendencies as well? He hasn't proved to be a Conservative at all in his 2nd term! He may call himself a republican which doesn't mean anything today, both partys are one and the same! SOCIALIST !! They aren't listening to the will of the people at all!! They're all thumbing they're noses at us!!!
Remember when you were in school and you heard your teacher or adults say that you or any one could become the President of the United States if you put your mind to it and tried real hard. There's no way that's even possible today. The elitist good ole boys club in Washington would make sure that never happens. Unless you wanted to sell your soul, you would never get to 1st base before you were shot down in flames.
That's why I think the time is now for a 3rd party in this country. An Indepedent Conservative party that will respect our borders our language and our culture. Because we are not being represented what so ever and our so called representatives have all turned socialist!!
Not only do rank and file Republicans object vehemently to this, but so do the average Democrat and Independent.
I think excuse number "a" can be discounted. I think all the others apply.
The only way to
erase our border with Mexico" is to annex it and force the population there to learn English in school.
Very Simple. The Bush family are globalists. This is not an unplanned or poorly thought out move on Jorge's part.
The more I think about this the more it makes sense. In the past year or so Bush has totally dropped the idea of privatizing a portion of Social Security. The system is still set to collapse in the next 40 -45 years and still nothing is happening to stop it. The only ways to save it from imploding are privatizing, which has worked in places like Chile,but which liberals will oppose with their dying breath, or massive amounts of new workers to prop up the system. Massive flooding of illegals into the country , then throwing up our hands and saying "Oh, we can't stop them so lets make them legal." keeps the system afloat for a few decades longer.
Now what happens after amnesty? New illegals flood in waiting for the next giveaway, and all the employers who depend on the illegal status of these workers are kept happy. Its a vicious cycle. The losers in this game are the American middle class who watch their buying power shrink and those of us who love our American way of life as we knew it.
I don't think it has anything to do with stubbornness. Bush just let himself be, "lulled into thinking" that we all need a one-world government, just as the commies in D.C. have told him over, and over, and over. The illegal invasion will fast break apart the laws, citizens seem to follow, and voila! NO MORE SOVEREIGN United States...
Yes, I know. What kind of men let one judge push them around? What a bunch of pansies! You will see. No matter what legislation the feds pass, you will have to take this on in your communities.
Someone else posted the law to me. The penalty for illegal entry now is $50. So, in that sense, it is like a traffic ticket. One disconnect I have is that I read that these men are rolled for their money and may have $20,000 to put down on a house. If so, why can't we ask them to pay at the hospital. Do you think we are collecting those $50 fines? I'll bet not. You can't charge or fine victims, even if they have the money.
You are probably very wrong to think that this comes from big business, because businesses with lots of money wouldn't take the risk. Until you understand that most of these people are marginally employed off the books, you won't understand how ineffective workplace enforcement will be.
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