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Conservatives Have No Cards to Play in Opposing Miers
Torie's brain | October 10, 2005 | Torie

Posted on 10/10/2005 11:30:08 AM PDT by Torie

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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; JohnnyZ; William Creel; zbigreddogz

Ping!

An insightful vanity.


21 posted on 10/10/2005 7:48:00 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Torie

I agree that there's not much to be done. I think she'll be confirmed, except on the pipe dream's chance she withdraws. Once Bush made the less-than-ideal (shall we say) nomination, he consigned GOP senators to vote for her. But I think that's exactly why we should make a stink about it, pound on W's thick skull a bit and maybe he'll get the message. No, it's not subtle or graceful, but I've never been big on either.


22 posted on 10/10/2005 8:15:44 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country" -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Torie

I think this was a lousy pick, but once it was made she should be confirmed unless she performs horribly during the confirmation hearings (and I highly doubt that will occur).


23 posted on 10/10/2005 8:20:05 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Torie
I don't have the slightest idea what conservatives should do. But if I were to play devil's advocate:

1) You assume that both Bush and Miers care about settling petty scores about as much as they care about the judiciary. Maybe that is true, but very possibly it isn't. If it is true, wow.

2) This is a poker game. 2 of the players are conservatives and Bush. Neither can count on the other acting rationally. Both should think about that. Your point is that conservatives need to think about how Bush reacts. True. But it is at least equally true that Bush needs to, and certainly would, think about how conservatives react. How do conservatives respond if to settle a silly issue Bush nominates someone worse than Miers from the conservative perspective? How should they? Would Bush really put silliness ahead of both the judiciary and parts of his other agenda as well? Now that would be irrational. And since that is the kind of calculation that Bush will be making, conservatives can know that this is the kind of calculation he would have to make, and act accordingly.

3) If Miers is defeated, I suspect it will be because of liberals worried about both her qualifications and Roe, institutionalists worried she isn't SC material, and conservatives. She probably cannot be defeated without assists from all 3.

4) The universe of people who could be considered for the SC seems to be pretty large. He can thread the needle with one of them. To take one: Clement would probably follow most of his views on the court, be very likely to be confirmed, please his base, and help him politically more than do harm.

24 posted on 10/10/2005 9:54:42 PM PDT by crasher
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To: crasher

You think if Bush feels that Miers has been tanked by conservatives unfairly, that he will then appease them? I don't.


25 posted on 10/10/2005 10:01:39 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
She will have been tanked by a lot more than just conservatives if in fact she does tank. I don't know what he would do. But if he decides that in response, the best course of action is to offer up someone worse than Miers from conservative point of view, that would be - I think - more irrational that what conservatives would be doing by opposing Miers. So I don't know if Bush will appease conservatives. But I have some trust that he would not act in a completely self-destructive manner.

To back up for a second. I have read everything I can on Miers. And it all amounts to about the same as if I had read nothing. I don't know what she'll be like on the SC. I do know - and I am pretty sure you will agree - she was a stupid pick politically. And from an outsider's perspecitve, an uncertain (and thus stupid) pick on the merits.

What conservatives should want, and what Bush should want, is for the coaltition that elected him in 2004 to stay together. For me personally, that is paramout. Bigger even than the SC. But Bush by picking Miers really put a lot of stress on that coalition. And he put even more stress by other things also, but this was an especially bad unforced error. Probably the worst stress the GOP coalition has come under since GHWB and the tax increase of 1990. And now we'll see how conservatives react. And then, if it comes to that, we'll see how Bush reacts. And if it comes to that, we'll see how conservatives react. Oh, joy.

26 posted on 10/10/2005 10:48:14 PM PDT by crasher
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To: AntiGuv

"If they are set on an AA justice, then Edith Clement fits the bill."



When I first read this, I thought "Edith Clement sure doesn't *look* black." But then I realized that by AA you meant affirmative-action, not African-American. : )


27 posted on 10/11/2005 6:56:59 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kryptonite

Although I've heard the name mentioned, I don't know enough about Diane Sykes to guess how her confirmation might go.


28 posted on 10/11/2005 7:10:23 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Kryptonite

You're half right. Diane Sykes would have been a very good choice. And if another vacancy occurs, she could conceivably be chosen.

But you're wrong about Miers. There is no evidence that she will be another David Souter.


29 posted on 10/11/2005 9:39:21 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Kuksool; The Ghost of FReepers Past; JohnnyZ

While Bush's record on domestic spending, trade, and border security leave much to be desired, his record on judicial appointments has been stellar. Why would he break from that excellent record on his most important judicial appointment of all? There is no reason to believe that he would.

Harriet Miers was not my first choice. Indeed, she wasn't even on my top ten list. But there is no evidence that Miers will be a pro-Roe vs Wade Souter clone. The fact that Bush chose a stealth nominee shows that there are too many Democrats in the U.S. Senate. With Democrats using the filibuster as blithely as they do, Bush had few good options and did the best he could with the cards he had.

I believe that conservatives will be satisfied with Miers record on the Supreme Court and her critics will be stuffing their faces with crow.


30 posted on 10/11/2005 9:51:26 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I never said she'd be another Souter. That down with Miers bit was tongue in cheek. I'd like the best nominee we can get.


31 posted on 10/11/2005 10:01:40 AM PDT by Kryptonite
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To: Clintonfatigued
I believe that conservatives will be satisfied with Miers record on the Supreme Court and her critics will be stuffing their faces with crow.

Miers could be a perfect justice and the nomination would still be a missed opportunity because it says that conservatives can only get on the Court if they hide their conservative ideology their whole life prior to that point.

32 posted on 10/11/2005 10:07:36 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country" -- Mitt Romney)
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