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25 Warnings in Ten Years to the United States
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=18150&rtn= ^ | 2002? | Bill Koenig

Posted on 09/10/2005 9:23:00 PM PDT by Blogger

25 Warnings in Ten Years to the United States - Bill Koenig

In John McTernan's and my book, "Israel: The Blessing or the Curse," we showed how the Lord over ten years has given the United States 21 warnings the same day the U.S. has pressed Israel to give up their land. There were record-setting earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, tropical storms, floods and stock market corrections. I have also included 4 more since President George W. Bush took a more active role in the Middle East talks.

October 30, 1991 - President George W. Bush and Russian President Michael Gorbachev begin the Madrid Conference. The Perfect Storm (a movie and book were written about it) begins forming in the Atlantic. It develops into the largest Atlantic waves in history.

October 31, 1991 - Syria and the Palestinians say Israel must give up their land for peace. The Perfect Strom hits the New England coast causing $1 million in damage to President George H.W. Bush Kennebunkport home.

August 23, 1992: The Madrid talks move to Washington. The day the conference begins Hurricane Andrew, the most expensive storm in U.S. history, clobbers Southern Florida and Louisiana.

September 13, 1993: Israel and the PLO sign a joint agreement; the same day Hurricane Emily hits the North Carolina coast.

January 4, 1994: U.S. Clinton and Assad meet in Geneva, Switzerland calling for Israel to leave the Golan Heights. Within hours the 6.9 Northridge earthquake rocks Southern California, the second most expensive national disaster in history.

March 1, 1997: Arafat arrives in Washington to discuss the Har Homa Housing project in Israel. The Israeli government had started buidling 6500 housing units in East Jerusalem. Arafat leaves on March 2 for a U.S. speaking tour against Israel. On the day Arafat begins his speakig tour powerful tornados devastate huge sections of the nation, tornados hit Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee and Kentucky. While Arafat continued his speaking tour storms stalled over Ohio and caused serious flooding. The tornadoes destoyed Arkadelphia, Arkansas, while the flooding destroyed Falmouth, Kentucky. The storms did over $1 billion in damage. Also, heavy snow fell in March and April causing the worst flooding in a century in the Dakotas. This too was a billion dollar disaster. (Note: March 1 was also the day President Clinton signed into law a bill that would release $385 million to 100 countries for family planning, some of the money could be used for abortion.)

July 2, 1997: Thailand devalues currency which helps begin world economic destabilization. July 15, 1997 the UN votes to condemn Israel's housing construction.

January 21, 1998: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is pressured to give up land by Clinton and Albright. They refuse to have lunch with him. That afternoon the Monica Lewinsky case breaks.

September 24, 1998: Clinton announces Arafat. Netanyahu comes to the UN to discuss stalled peace talks. Hurricane George builds and zeroes in on Key West.

September 27, 1998: Albright working out final details: Georges slams Gulf Coast - 110 mph, gusts up to 115 mph and flooding.

September 28, 1998: Clinton meets Arafat and Netanyahu at White House to finalize land giveaway. Hurricane George lingers. Arafat speaks to rousing and sustained ovation at the United Nations. George smashes Gulf Coast, Arafat leaves the storm dissipates.

October 15, 1998: The Wye River talks begin. Heavy rain and tornado hits Texas. San Antonio receives 20 inches and experiences major flooding. On October 21, Clinton declares disaster. On October 23, the Wye meetings end.

November 23, 1998: Yasser Arafat comes to the United States to raise money. The U.S. provides $400 million and the Europeans $1.7 billion. Dow tumbles 217 points. European markets experience worse drop in history.

December 1, 1998: The U.S. House deliberates articles of impeachment on Dec. 12 four articles are approved. Clinton meets with the Palestinians in a controlled section in Israel at the same time the impeachment newsbreaks. Clinton calls for statehood status for the Palestinians and for a capital to be in Jerusalem. Clinton becomes the first President to be impeached in 130 years.

December 15, 1998: Clinton arrives home. Four days later the U.S. House accepts two articles of impeachment. Two weeks before there were not enough votes, Clinton commits $300 to $500 million to the Palestinians, and at the exact time there was a heart change in the House and he was impeached.

March 23, 1999: Arafat meets Clinton in Washington on Israel land giveaway. Dow tumbles 219 points. The next day Clinton authorizes a Serbia attack. Russia becomes very angry and World War III almost begins. Russia and China are brought together due over the Kosovo incident.

May 3, 1999: Arafat is prepared to declare Jerusalem the capital of his new state. Clinton sends Arafat a letter encouraging aspirations of his own land and the right to determines their own future the right to live in freedom today, tomorrow and forever. Record breaking tornadoes hit Oklahoma and Kansas, the 316 mph winds are the highest wind speeds in history.

August 30, 2001: Hurricane Dennis lingers on the East Coast. Sept. 1, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright meets with Arab leaders and Barak. On Sept 3 Hurricane Dennis continues to linger and drops enormous rains.

September 13, 1999: Israeli Foreign Minister and Arafat's Deputy workout a final status deal on Israel's land giveaway. Hurricane Floyd, a Category 5 storm, becomes a monster storm and slams into the North Carolina coast dropping 20 inches of rain killing 100,000 hogs; 2.47 million chickens; and 500,000 turkeys.

September 21, 1999: Arafat comes to Washington and visits the UN to discuss Wye. From Sept. 21-23 the Dow drops 524 points. This was a very destructive month.

Week of October 11, 1999: Jewish Settlers from 15 West Bank settlements evicted. While Israel was forcing the settlers off the covenant land, the stock market was melting down. On October 15, the market lost 266 points! Also on October 15, Hurricane Irene hit North Carolina, and on the morning of the 16th, a powerful 7.1 earthquake rocked the Southwest.

January 3-4, 2000: Barak agrees to hand over 5% of its territories to the Palestinians, with complete transfer by the end of the week. Dow drops 359 points, NASDAQ 229 points, and the worst drop ever, with over $600 billion in market capitalization wiped out. Barak has a Golan Heights meeting.

April 12-13: Barak arrives in Washington. Clinton says he want to be more involved in the peace talks. NASDAQ collapses, it falls over 600 points its worst week ever.

June 16, 2000: Arafat and Clinton meet. Clinton wants to finish business by September 13, 2000, which is the seven-year anniversary date. Dow falls 265 points in its final hour.

July 12, 2000: Barak, Arafat have a meeting at Camp David. Talks continue to July 26. Talks collapse over Jerusalem over Muslim and Jewish sections of the Old City. Fires begin in Western United States; 7 million acres burn some of the worst in history. Montana and Wyoming declared disaster areas. Dan Glickman the Secretary of Agriculture reported that the winds were equivalent of the Perfect Storm because there was high winds, high temperatures, lightning and no rain.

July 28, 2000: Texas declares 195 counties disaster areas due to a drought, the worst in history for that region.

March 31, 2001: On the day Egyptian President Hosni Mubarek arrived in Washington, a Chinese fighter jet "bumped" into one of our EP-3 reconnaissance planes, forcing it-along with the 24-person crew-to make an emergency landing in China. The resulting crisis completely overshadowed the visits of Mubarek and King Abdullah II.

April 10, 2001: Jordan's King Abdullah II arrived in Washington earlier in the week to speaks with Christian leaders, members of Congress and others to get behind the initiative. He visits the White House on April 10 and then returns home to Jordan. The next day China agrees to release the "detained" airmen from the downed plane. The extremely valuable aircraft remains behind in China, evidently to be shipped home in pieces.

May 22, 2001: President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell publicly endorse the Mitchell Report. Concurrently, Vermont Senator James Jeffords is rumored to be leaving the Republican Party. Vermont-already a pro-choice state-becomes the first to approve same sex-unions. That same day, the Dalai Lama arrives in Washington. This visit angers China, and the Chinese Premier calls Bush "unfit" to be President.

May 25, 2001: Senator Jeffords leaves the Republican Party, becoming an Independent, allowing the Democrats to obtain a majority in the Senate, throwing judicial and diplomatic nominations into question. On the same day, Daniel Kurtzer is nominated for Ambassador to Israel and endorsed by pro-land giveaway Reform and Conservative Jews, making up 85% of American Jewry.

June 8, 2001: Reuters News Service reports that United States CIA director George Tenet and a special envoy from Washington have spearheaded an international effort on Friday "to strengthen a fragile Israeli-Palestinian cease-fire" plagued by fresh violence. The Central Intelligence Agency director hosted talks between senior Israeli and Palestinian security officials in Ramallah, while Assistant Secretary of State William Burns met Palestinian President Yasser Arafat in the West Bank.

June 8, 2001: Catastrophic flooding overnight brings the Houston area to a near standstill, with nearly 10,000 people left homeless and 3,000 homes and businesses affected, Gov. Rick Perry declares a state of emergency in the Houston area and 28 southeast Texas counties. More than two feet of rain fell at Bush Intercontinental Airport causing flights to be cancelled until early Sunday morning.

September 11, 2001: The greatest attack ever on American soil occurred. The hijacking of four airplanes and the attack on the World Trade Center (WTC)in New York City and the Pentagon left upwards of 6,000 dead and thousands injured. These suicide attacks by Muslim terrorists caused over $100 billion in damage and financial losses and stunned the country.

The attack was aimed right at the financial heart of the United States. The effect of this attack on the stock market was devastating. The week after the attack was one of the worst ever for the stock market. It may be the catalyst for an economic depression that could affect the entire world.

President Bush refused, when asked, to say whether he had been prepared to announce his support for a Palestinian state prior to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on Washington and New York.

A CNN article stated that State Department and other senior administration officials have told CNN that drafts of a major policy speech on the Middle East, to be delivered by Secretary of State Powell, had been circulating within the State Department for review.

These officials said the speech was to "clarify its [U.S.] views on an end result" of the (MidEast) peace process, which would lead to the eventual "creation of a Palestinian state."

Powell had expected to deliver the speech on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly that began on September 23, but that plan was put on hold after the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. A future address to the UN was postponed because security couldn't be guaranteed for UN members. This was not just a coincidence.

"It will go farther than we have ever gone," one official said of Powell's speech. "There is an awful lot more that we view as being the end result than what we have said so far."

One point being hotly debated is whether to "call for ending all settlement activity," including so-called natural growth of existing settlements—something previous U.S. administrations have come close to doing, but have never done.

The same official said that such a speech would be a powerful palliative" to the Arab world. "It eases the pain," the official said. "It would end the perception we only move against Islam."

"We are getting hammered in the Arab world," this official said. "And it is not a mystery that one of the ways to diffuse this" is to see some movement on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Printer friendly version


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Guess we can add the Gaza pullout and Katrina to this list.
1 posted on 09/10/2005 9:23:00 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

...and Lincolns secretary warned him not to go to the theatre. And Kennedys secratary Lincoln warned him not to go to Dallas. We need a Israel/US coinsidence coin!


2 posted on 09/10/2005 9:29:21 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: Blogger
I see.

God killed and made even poorer all those poor people in Louisiana for the "sins" of our government...

Ya, that's the ticket...

Maybe we should sacrifice some virgins to placate him...

I vote we start with the writer of this article.
3 posted on 09/10/2005 9:30:12 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Blogger

http://www.whoi.edu/home/about/currents_v9no3_hurricanes.html

"In the Gulf of Mexico, where Liu has been working in back-barrier freshwater lakes, the geological evidence for hurricanes extends further back into history, though it is somewhat less precise in the storm-by-storm details. “Our records go back about 5,000 years, and we definitely see a long-term cycle,” he notes. From about 5,000 to 3,400 years ago, hurricane patterns in the Gulf Coast were relatively mild. From 3,400 to 1,000 years ago, the region endured a “hyperactive” period. The past 1,000 years have been relatively placid.

“The good news is that we are living in a quiet period,” Liu says. “The bad news is that if we think we have seen too many catastrophic hurricanes coming our way, we haven't seen anything yet.”


So were Indians being punished for not supporting a country they'd never even heard of in the period of hyperactive Gulf of Mexico hurricane activity from 3,400 to 1,000 years ago?


4 posted on 09/10/2005 9:34:16 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Blogger

5 posted on 09/10/2005 9:35:21 PM PDT by konaice
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To: Blogger

This is the primitivism of which George Will spoke.


6 posted on 09/10/2005 9:38:08 PM PDT by Old Professer (Some infinitives deserve to be split.)
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To: DB
sounds to me like "Allah did it because he hates America".

This sort of jerk-off brainlessness sounds like...ding ding ding ISLAM. Smells and looks ilke it too. See, if you can't distinguish between A and B, you generally accept that they are the same.

I wonder how long it is until the mental defective who push this tripe figure out that they are worshipping Allah.

7 posted on 09/10/2005 9:38:10 PM PDT by M203M4
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To: Blogger
January 4, 1994... Within hours the 6.9 Northridge earthquake rocks Southern California...

WITHIN HOURS??? The Northridge Quake struck January 17th, at 4:31 am, some two weeks later (I'll never forget it). This sounds like Louis Farrakhan math.

8 posted on 09/10/2005 9:38:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!)
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To: Blogger
October 30, 1991 - President George W. Bush and Russian President Michael Gorbachev begin the Madrid Conference.

Excuse me? President George W. Bush? 1991? Someone's confusing their facts.
9 posted on 09/10/2005 9:40:22 PM PDT by Terpfen (http://www.pattonhq.com/unknowntext.html)
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To: Blogger
What is amazing is post 9/11, and we are still trying to accommodate the Islamofacists in Gaza and the West Bank, many whom have been involved either directly, or indirectly, in killing our troops in Iraq. This world is so upside down.
10 posted on 09/10/2005 9:40:25 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Pray for America like its future depended on it, because it does!)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Wow ,everytime I ask a girl out on a date those very same things happen . What's God trying to tell ME?


11 posted on 09/10/2005 9:44:24 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: ElkGroveDan

I remember that day too. It was MLK day, didn't have school. What loonies.


12 posted on 09/10/2005 9:46:10 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Blogger

I guess its a good thing I'm going to church tomorrow.


13 posted on 09/10/2005 9:46:55 PM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Ping.


14 posted on 09/10/2005 9:47:15 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Blogger

"January 4, 1994: U.S. Clinton and Assad meet in Geneva, Switzerland calling for Israel to leave the Golan Heights. Within hours the 6.9 Northridge earthquake rocks Southern California, the second most expensive national disaster in history"



Dude plays fast and loose with dates on this one. Northridge quake was January 17. Within hours of Jan 4 I guess. But a whole lot of hours


15 posted on 09/10/2005 9:48:12 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Blogger
"We are getting hammered in the Arab world,"

Let's only worry what they think when it affects their ability and motivation to kill us, directly or indirectly. That goes for Jewish and Arab nations alike.

As it is, both groups deserve attention concerning our image.

Europeans, in contrast, are nutless blowhards, completely lacking in genuine intent to menace but for inconsequential words like my own.

16 posted on 09/10/2005 9:55:19 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Blogger

Some free association: Offensive. Nutsy-cuckoo.


17 posted on 09/10/2005 9:55:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. Have a nice day.)
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To: hoboken109

Don't understand your question or comment. But thats probably what the girl is wondering as well.


18 posted on 09/10/2005 9:58:21 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Pray for America like its future depended on it, because it does!)
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To: Blogger

Theodicy is the fancy theological/philosophical term for the attempt to justify the ways, acts, justice and goodness of God in the face of suffering, death and evil to an incredulous jury of humans. We Christians have floated some doozies.

Christian and Hebrew theologians, philosophers and kibitzers for thousands of years have struggled to come up with a plausible defense of God's goodness and power, given the daily reality of evil, because, well, God hasn't really produced an alibi for himself.

Once, at the end of the Old Testament wisdom book of Job, God could have explained it all, but He didn't. God makes a personal appearance out of the whirlwind just as the argument between Job and his so-called friends gets really interesting, meaning the finger finally gets pointed directly at God. God appears dramatically and essentially tells Job that it's none of Job's business why he's suffering and that Job wouldn't understand anyway.

The writer's elaborate, but single, point of the story of Job is that human speculation on such matters is folly at best, and idolatry and heretical at worse. But Job's message and warning don't seem to give us pause.

We Christians today, however well-intentioned, often fall off the horse on one side or the other by speculating with pious platitudes about why some terrible event has occurred. And indeed, all theodicies are pure speculation unless God has directly and specifically revealed His will and purpose to a credible prophet who comes to us with "Thus saith the Lord."

Once the speculation has begun, there's no way to judge it, evaluate it, or refute it because speculation by definition is completely subjective and unverifiable. Unchecked, the likelihood of theological mischief and stupidity is great amongst theodicy speculators.

Theodicies are theological and philosophical La Brea Tar Pits. Once we take the plunge, we're stuck forever, and all of our struggling only sinks us deeper and deeper into the pit. First, we're hit with the question: How can we offer a defense of God that's considered depraved when invoked by humans? Second, once we engage in the parlor game of second guessing God, anything goes.

Marty Lasley


19 posted on 09/10/2005 9:59:31 PM PDT by KDD (http://www.gardenofsong.com/midi/popgoes.mid)
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To: Blogger

What is funny is they only go back as far as Bush Sr. What about all the other natural disasters that happened before 1991, like the 1906 San Fransisco earthquake. Now I know why Mt.St.Hellens blew up, it was Carter's fault for screwing up Iran.


20 posted on 09/10/2005 10:01:25 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Blogger

Just a little to update:
September 12, 2003
Israeli-Palestinian conflict: Arab and Non-Aligned nations call on the United Nations Security Council to stop Israel carrying out its threat to expel the head of the Palestinian Authority, Yasser Arafat, from the West Bank. Elsewhere the European Union and Russia describe the Israeli proposal as a 'terrible mistake'. UN General Secretary Kofi Annan calls the Israel's proposed action "dangerous" and "unwise". The Irish Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, who takes over as President of the European Council in January, tells journalists after a summit meeting with French President Jacques Chirac in Paris that he is "shocked" by the Israeli plan and said his government is "totally opposed" to the Israeli plan. The United States Ambassador to Israel meets the Israeli Defence Minister to outline American hostility to the plan.

September 13th, 2003 Category 5 Hurricane Isabel makes a northwestward turn.
Hurricane Isabel was a long-lived Cape Verde hurricane that reached Category 5 status on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. It made landfall near Drum Inlet on the Outer Banks of North Carolina as a Category 2 hurricane. Isabel is considered to be one of the most significant tropical cyclones to affect portions of northeastern North
Carolina and east-central Virginia since Hurricane Hazel in 1954 and the Chesapeake-Potomac Hurricane of 1933. Hits NC September 18th..


April 14, 2004 President Bush states:
I welcome the disengagement plan prepared by the Government of Israel, under which Israel would withdraw certain military installations and all settlements from Gaza, and withdraw certain military installations and settlements in the West Bank. These steps will mark real progress toward realizing the vision I set forth in June 2002 of two states living side by side in peace and security, and make a real contribution toward peace.
I am hopeful that steps pursuant to this plan, consistent with this vision, will remind all states and parties of their own obligations under the roadmap.

April 29, 2004 Abu Ghraib photos are released.

August 13, 2004 Hurricane Charley strikes America
August 19 2004
Israel's prime minister, Ariel Sharon, vows to press on with his disengagement plan, despite it receiving another rejection from his Likud party. (BBC)

September 2004 Hurricane Frances and Hurricane Ivan strike the US spawning tornados which left additional damage in their wake Jeanne Karl and Lisa follow within this month.

September 21, 2004 President Bush to the UN- Israel should impose a settlement freeze, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people, and avoid any actions that prejudice final negotiations.


21 posted on 09/10/2005 10:04:11 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB
February 12th, 1999. The Senate lets Bill Clinton off...just because.

And God didn't even bother stirring up a Category 1 hurricane. ;)

22 posted on 09/10/2005 10:04:53 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Blogger
This BS is pervasive and hilarious.
Sort of like the "Bible Code".

Does the code give identical results in all languages and all versions?

Pick a date in the last 50 years; any date.

I can assemble an impressive list of world disasters for the following few days somewhere in the world no matter what date you pick.

Give me a break!

23 posted on 09/10/2005 10:06:04 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Quix

Ping


24 posted on 09/10/2005 10:07:57 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Terpfen

Or made a typo. In the next line they refer to him as George H.W. Bush.


25 posted on 09/10/2005 10:08:39 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger
The Perfect Strom hits the New England coast

"Aw, shucks!"


26 posted on 09/10/2005 10:09:45 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: M203M4

It may sound that way. However, Scripture says those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse her will be cursed. Our nation is making very serious mistakes in regards to Israel. We can't expect God to stand up and applaud us.


27 posted on 09/10/2005 10:10:59 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

The Oslo accords were in the 90s.
Israel had no better friend than Reagan.
When we were in the Gulf, Israel largely had to defend herself and restrained herself against the Iraqi scuds. Things went downhill from there.

We are making huge mistakes, not just towards Israel but towards ourselves in supporting those who will terrorize to get land.


28 posted on 09/10/2005 10:14:10 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Publius6961

Study the history of the Jews. Things don't tend to go well for those who oppose them.


29 posted on 09/10/2005 10:15:21 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB

Sorry, wrong god. He doesn't desire sacrife but a pure heart towards Him.


30 posted on 09/10/2005 10:16:23 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Don't you think another year or so more of Clinton was enough?


31 posted on 09/10/2005 10:19:19 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

I agree, the article is about the wrong god.


32 posted on 09/10/2005 10:19:20 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Figment

Those who curse the Jews and those who bless the Jews



Posted: July 30, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern



By Dennis Prager





© 2002 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

In 1973, during the Arab embargo on oil exports that followed the Yom Kippur War between Israel and Egypt, many Americans had to deal with embargo-induced hour-long lines at gas stations, gas rationing, and various setbacks to the economy. As a result, some called for our abandonment of Israel for the sake of oil.

Those voices were not heard among evangelical Christians.

In fact, in a television broadcast from his church to his many followers, the Rev. Jerry Falwell said that he would sooner give up his car and ride a bicycle than yield to Arab blackmail. Citing Genesis (12:3), he explained that God "will bless those who bless the Jews and curse whoever curses the Jews."

I have since heard this over and over from lay Christians calling my radio show and from Christian leaders with whom I have shared platforms.

I heard this again this past weekend in Colorado Springs, Colo., at the 25th Anniversary Celebration of Focus on the Family, where I spoke to a few thousand supporters of that influential evangelical organization. There are many reasons for the support of conservative Christians for Israel – along with social conservatives, the only group giving such support – but their belief that God blesses those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews plays a central role.

When I first heard this verse cited by the Rev. Falwell, I certainly found it encouraging to hear a major Christian figure say this to fellow Christians. But perhaps because I had just completed graduate work in the social sciences, my rational faculties simply dismissed the idea as more quaint than believable.

Over time, however, that quote stayed with me. Eight years later, when Rabbi Joseph Telushkin and I wrote a book explaining anti-Semitism ("Why the Jews? The Reason for Antisemitism," Simon & Schuster), we noted this verse. But now, after seeing the resurgence of anti-Semitism in the Arab and Muslim worlds and in Europe, after being asked by the publisher to write a new version of the book, and after hearing Christians repeatedly cite this verse, I feel compelled to finally take a position: Is this verse biblical poetry or verifiably true?

I am increasingly convinced that it is verifiably true.

I think of Spain, for example. One of the world's mightiest powers and most developed cultures in the 15th century, in 1492 it reached its zenith when it sent Christopher Columbus on a voyage that changed history. But the same year, it also expelled all its Jews and intensified the Spanish Inquisition against the many forced Jewish converts to Catholicism (converses). Spain then descended into a 500-year status as "the sick man of Europe."

I think of Germany (and Austria) as the cultural and intellectual center of Europe, if not the world, before World War II. Then Germany (with Austrians' help) murdered nearly every Jew in Europe. Germany lost over seven million people, was divided for a generation, and while it now thrives materially, culturally Germany has become irrelevant. Ask anyone, even an intellectual, to name one living German.

And I think about the world today. Look at who most blesses the Jews and who most curses them, and you decide whether the verse in Genesis has validity.

It is the United States that has, since its inception, most blessed the Jews and that does so almost alone today – in its support of the Jewish state against those who wish to exterminate it. By almost any reckoning, America has been, and remains, the most blessed of countries.

And it is the Arab world that curses the Jews. It rivals Nazi Germany for the ubiquity and intensity of its Jew-hatred. Look at its state. According to Arab scholars appointed by the United Nations to report on the state of Arab society, that part of the world lags behind the rest of humanity, including in most instances sub-Saharan Africa, in virtually every social, moral and intellectual indicator. And there is no question but that its half-century long preoccupation with destroying Israel has only increased the Arab world's woes.

No one can prove it is God who actively blesses those who bless the Jews and curses those who curse them. But, at the same time, the evidence historically and this very moment suggests that there is indeed a real connection between the state of a society and its treatment of the Jews.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28450


33 posted on 09/10/2005 10:23:52 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB

Don't ascribe that opinion to myself.


34 posted on 09/10/2005 10:24:23 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Strategerist

"So were Indians being punished for not supporting a country they'd never even heard of in the period of hyperactive Gulf of Mexico hurricane activity from 3,400 to 1,000 years ago?"

So my question is does God only bless and not curse his people the Church and National Israel now? I mean does he not still bless us? Have his curses been written out of the Bible?


35 posted on 09/10/2005 10:27:08 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd
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To: Blogger

I believe in a loving God that is capable of finding those actually responsible and holding them accountable.


36 posted on 09/10/2005 10:30:52 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: NRA2BFree

Bump for later read!


37 posted on 09/10/2005 10:34:50 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (PRAY FOR THE HURRICANE VICTIMS AND RESCUE WORKERS!)
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To: Bittersweetmd
I trust God to bless and "curse" those with justice.

Taking out a bunch of poor people that literally have nothing to do with Israel as the wrath of God for poor treatment of Israel is simply nuts.

And as far as Israel goes, Israel stands today because America has stood with Israel - and still does.
38 posted on 09/10/2005 10:37:12 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Blogger

the evidence historically and this very moment suggests that there is indeed a real connection between the state of a society and its treatment of the Jews.
WHAT ?


39 posted on 09/10/2005 10:38:48 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: hoboken109

Evidentally nothing that will satisfy you.


40 posted on 09/10/2005 10:43:43 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB

I'm not so sure we do. And she would stand with or without us. Because we are not her protector.

As to the poor people that had nothing to do with Israel, New Orleans was a wicked city. Its murder rate was 10 times the national average. It was a haven for voodoo, for prostitution, for every sort of evil you could imagine. Doesn't mean that some good folks didn't live there, but the rain falls on the good and the bad. Even if we hadn't pushed Israel with Gaza, N.O. God would be justified in striking us. The fact that WE exist after murdering 40 million of our own children by sacrificing them to the god "Choice" is testimony to His mercy and grace. His judgment does not, however, sleep forever. And the further we push Him away the less His protection and blessing will abide on our nation.


41 posted on 09/10/2005 10:47:42 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB

"I trust God to bless and "curse" those with justice."

Not sure what you mean? Do you believe that God uses acts of nature and divine intervention in world events today?


42 posted on 09/10/2005 10:50:55 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd
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To: Bittersweetmd

I believe God is very active in every aspect of His character. We embrace his mercy and love. That's the only part of him we hear about. If I post an article like I just did, people don't want to hear that he might be a God of wrath as well.

As to the Indians, I can not say specifically that the hurricane activity was any sort of specific judgment on their specific sins. I can say that all death and suffering and bad weather etc. has come about because of the fall of man into sin. The Bible says all of Creation GROANS under a curse. Sometimes, when bad things happened, I believe it is this curse which we are seeing in play alone. Other times, it can be for a specific sin, such as Sodom and Gomorrah. But God is not just a placating and smiling God. Many are thumbing their noses at him in this VERY BLESSED nation. I fear for us.


43 posted on 09/10/2005 10:53:40 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: DB

Do you believe that EVERY PERSON in Israel had turned away from God when they went into Babylonian Captivity? Sometimes, people are judged for the sins of their leaders. Look at King David and something as simple as a census. I know that is not the God that we like to talk about. But it is another aspect of His person that we should all know and respect. He is just as much a God of wrath as He is a God of love, and ALL of us stand guilty of sin before Him.


44 posted on 09/10/2005 10:56:11 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: KDD

I hear it all the time.

The car wouldn't start on Sunday morning. It was A)The Enemy trying to thwart worship B)God teaching me a lesson - patience, maybe. C)A dead battery.

Only a few Christians will pick C, and they run the risk of appearing "unspiritual" for their lack of imagination, er, I mean insight.


45 posted on 09/10/2005 10:59:17 PM PDT by watchin (Facts irritate liberals)
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To: watchin
They fail to recognize their own vanity.
46 posted on 09/10/2005 11:01:55 PM PDT by KDD (http://www.gardenofsong.com/midi/popgoes.mid)
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To: Blogger

Thanks for explaining that better for me. I'm still kind of young. I was a teen in the 90's, didn't understand the middle east strife much until 9/11.


47 posted on 09/10/2005 11:02:07 PM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Blogger
So the billions we spend and the pain we suffer protecting Israel is all a waste. It makes no difference to the outcome of Israel...

Well gee - lets stop wasting all those resources then... God has it covered... We aren't needed...

So every natural disaster is a sign from god it seems. Your wife is walking the kids down the street and a tree limb falls and kills them... Another sign from god...

I'm glad I don't live in the world you live in.
48 posted on 09/10/2005 11:02:49 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Blogger

You know what kinda bothers me about all of this? The implication that we - especially we Christians - only support Israel because there's something in it for us.

I know that's not your point, but it is clearly the motivation this event-linking encourages.


49 posted on 09/10/2005 11:07:48 PM PDT by watchin (Facts irritate liberals)
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To: Blogger
If you study history in general, things don't tend to go well for anybody, so what does that prove? Chinese history, Japanese history, Indian history, Aztec history, Incan history.

Your assignment is to show why God has punished these peoples when they didn't even know Jews existed.
50 posted on 09/10/2005 11:14:14 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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