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These Quotes Reveal The Credulity Of Evolutionists
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Posted on 07/02/2005 7:47:33 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leaves us with only one possible conclusion, that life arose as a creative act of God. I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution."

(Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)

"Most modern biologists, having reviewed with satisfaction the downfall of the spontaneous generation hypothesis, yet unwilling to accept the alternative belief in special creation, are left with nothing."

(Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)

"Evolution [is] a theory universally accepted not because it can be proven by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible."

(Professor D.M.S. Watson, leading biologist and science writer of his day.)

"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed.....It is not even possible to make a caricature of an evolution out of paleobiological facts...The idea of an evolution rests on pure belief."

(Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, noted Swedish botanist and geneticist, of Lund University)

"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are great con-men, and the story they are telling may be the greatest hoax ever! In explaining evolution we do not have one iota of fact."

(Dr. Newton Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission.)

"When you realize that the laws of nature must be incredibly finely tuned to produce the universe we see, that conspires to plant the idea that the universe did not just happen, but that there must be a purpose behind it."

(John Polkinghorne, Cambridge University physicist, "Science Finds God," Newsweek, 20 July, 1998)

"Many have a feeling that somehow intelligence must have been involved in the laws of the universe."

(Charles Townes, 1964 Nobel Prize winner in physics, "Science Finds God," Newsweek, 20 July, 1998)

"250,000 species of plants and animals recorded and deposited in museums throughout the world did not support the gradual unfolding hoped for by Darwin."

(Dr. David Raup, curator of geology at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, "Conflicts Between Darwinism and Paleontology")

"The pathetic thing about it is that many scientists are trying to prove the doctrine of evolution, which no science can do."

(Dr. Robert A. Milikan, physicist and Nobel Prize winner, speech before the American Chemical Society.)

"The miracles required to make evolution feasible are far greater in number and far harder to believe than the miracle of creation."

(Dr. Richard Bliss, former professor of biology and science education as Christian Heritage College, "It Takes A Miracle For Evolution.")

"Scientists at the forefront of inquiry have put the knife to classical Darwinism. They have not gone public with this news, but have kept it in their technical papers and inner counsels."

(Dr. William Fix, in his book, "The Bone Peddlers.")

"In the meantime, the educated public continues to believe that Darwin has provided all the relevant answers by the magic formula of random mutations plus natural selection---quite unaware of the fact that random mutations turned out to be irrelevant and natural selection tautology."

(Dr. Arthur Koestler)

"The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation."

(Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

"A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp.....moreover, for the most part these "experts" have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on strictly scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully."

(Dr. Wolfgang Smith, physicist and mathematician)

"It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as a student....have now been debunked."

(Dr. Derek V. Ager, Department of Geology, Imperial College, London)

"One must conclude that, contrary to the established and current wisdom, a scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not been written."

(Dr. Hubert P. Yockey)

"Darwin's evolutionary explanation of the origins of man has been transformed into a modern myth, to the detriment of scientific and social progress.....The secular myths of evolution have had a damaging effect on scientific research, leading to distortion, to needless controversy, and to gross misuse of science....I mean the stories, the narratives about change over time. How the dinosaurs became extinct, how the mammals evolved, where man came from. These seem to me to be little more than story-telling."

(Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

"The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop."

(Dr. Edwin Conklin, evolutionist and professor of biology at Princeton University.)

"One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task to concede that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible. Yet here we are-as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation."

(Dr. George Wald Evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)

"The explanation value of the evolutionary hypothesis of common origin is nil! Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, it seems to convey anti-knowledge. How could I work on evolution ten years and learn nothing from it? Most of you in this room will have to admit that in the last ten years we have seen the basis of evolution go from fact to faith! It does seem that the level of knowledge about evolution is remarkably shallow. We know it ought not be taught in high school, and that's all we know about it."

(Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

"Hypothesis [evolution] based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts....These classical evolutionary theories are a gross over-simplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they are swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest."

(Sir Ernst Chan, Nobel Prize winner for developing penicillin)

"There is the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form. This theory can be called the "general theory of evolution," and the evidence which supports this is not sufficiently strong to allow us to consider it as anything more than a working hypothesis."

(Dr. G. A. Kerkut evolutionist)

"All of us who study the origin of life find that the more we look into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved anywhere. We all believe as an article of faith that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that life's complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did."

(Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Prize winner)

"The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and the falsity of their beliefs."

(Dr. Pierre-Paul Grasse of the University of Paris and past-president of the French Academy of Science)

"Meanwhile, their [evolutionists] unproven theories will continue to be accepted by the learned and the illiterate alike as absolute truth, and will be defended with a frantic intolerance that has a parallel only in the bigotry of the darkest Middle Ages. If one does not accept evolution as an infallible dogma, implicitly and without question, one is regarded as an unenlightened ignoramus or is merely ignored as an obscurantist or a naive, uncritical fundamentalist."

(Dr. Alfred Rehwinkel)

"It is my conviction that if any professional biologist will take adequate time to examine carefully the assumptions upon which the macro-evolution doctrine rests, and the observational and laboratory evidence that bears on the problem of origins, he/she will conclude that there are substantial reasons for doubting the truth of this doctrine. Moreover, I believe that a scientifically sound creationist view of origins is not only possible, but it is to be preferred over the evolutionary one."

(Dean H. Kenyon, professor of biology at San Francisco State University)

"For myself, as, no doubt, for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom."

(Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means)

"I suppose the reason we leaped at the origin of species was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores."

(Sir Julian Huxley, President of the United Nation's Educational, Scientific, Cultural Organization (UNESCO).)

"Evolution is unproved and improvable, we believe it because the only alternative is special creation, which is unthinkable."

(Sir Arthur Keith, a militant anti-Christian physical anthropologist)

"Perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleontology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about, but that is heresy."

(Dr. David Pilbeam, Professor of Anthropology at Yale University, American Scientist, vol 66, p.379, June 1978)

"If I knew of any Evolutionary transitional's, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them in my book, 'Evolution' "

(Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

"For over 20 years I thought I was working on evolution....But there was not one thing I knew about it... So for the last few weeks I've tried putting a simple question to various people, the question is, "Can you tell me any one thing that is true?" I tried that question on the Geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, A very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time and eventually one person said, "Yes, I do know one thing, it ought not to be taught in High School"....over the past few years....you have experienced a shift from Evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith...Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge."

(Dr. Collin Patterson evolutionist, address at the American Museum of Natural History, New York City, Nov. 1981)

"The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualist accounts of evolution."

(Stephen Jay Gould, Professor of Geology and Paleontology, Harvard University.)

"I shall discuss the broad patterns of hominoid evolution, an exercise made enjoyable by the need to integrate diverse kinds of information, and use that as a vehicle to speculate about hominoid origins, an event for which there is no recognized fossil record. Hence, an opportunity to exercise some imagination."

(Dr. David Pilbeam)

"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree possible."

(Charles Darwin, "The origin of species by means of natural selection")

"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as a trade secret of Paleontology. Evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils."

(Dr. Stephan J Gould, Harvard Paleontologist, "Evolution, Erratic Pace")

"Within the period of human history we do not know of a single instance of the transformation of one species into another one. It may be claimed that the theory of descent is lacking, therefore, in the most essential feature that it needs to place the theory on a scientific basis, this must be admitted."

(Dr. T.H Morgan)

"The facts of paleontology seem to support creation and the flood rather than evolution. For instance, all the major groups of invertebrates appear "suddenly" in the first fossil ferrous strata (Cambrian) of the earth with their distinct specializations indicating that they were all created almost at the same time."

(Professor Enoch, University of Madras)

"It remains true, as every paleontologist knows, that most new species, genera, and families, and that nearly all categories above the level of families, appear in the record suddenly and are not led up to by known, gradual completely continuous transitional sequences." (Dr. George Gaylord Simpson of Harvard)

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."

(Charles Darwin, "The Origin of Species")

"I can envision observations and experiments that would disprove any evolutionary theory I know."

(Dr. Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory," Discover 2(5):34-37 (1981)

"Darwinism is a creed not only with scientists committed to document the all-purpose role of natural selection. It is a creed with masses of people who have at best a vague notion of the mechanism of evolution as proposed by Darwin, let alone as further complicated by his successors. Clearly, the appeal cannot be that of a scientific truth but of a philosophical belief which is not difficult to identify. Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence."

(Dr. R. Kirk, "The Rediscovery of Creation," in National Review, (May 27, 1983), p. 641.)

"It is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution, and stick by it to the bitter end no matter which illogical and unsupported conclusions it offers. On the contrary, it is expected that scientists recognize the patently obvious impossibility of Darwin's pronouncements and predictions . . Let's cut the umbilical cord that tied us down to Darwin for such a long time. It is choking us and holding us back."

(Dr. I.L. Cohen, "Darwin Was Wrong:" A Study in Probabilities (1985)

"The theories of evolution, with which our studious youth have been deceived, constitute actually a dogma that all the world continues to teach; but each, in his specialty, the zoologist or the botanist, ascertains that none of the explanations furnished is adequate . . It results from this summary, that the theory of evolution is impossible."

(Dr. P. Lemoine, "Introduction: De L' Evolution?" Encyclopedie Francaise, Vol. 5 (1937)

"Paleontologists [fossil experts] have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study."

(Dr. Steven Jay Gould, The Panda's Thumb (1982), pp. 181-182 [Harvard professor and the leading evolutionary spokesman of the latter half of the twentieth century].)

"Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy."

(Charles Darwin, Life and Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229)

"I have often thought how little I should like to have to prove organic evolution in a court of law."

(Dr. Errol White, Proceedings of the Linnean Society, London (1966) [an ichthyologist (expert on fish) in a 1988 address before a meeting of the Linnean Society in London])

"The universe and the Laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us. If any one of about 40 physical qualities had more than slightly different values, life as we know it could not exist: Either atoms would not be stable, or they wouldn't combine into molecules, or the stars wouldn't form heavier elements, or the universe would collapse before life could develop, and so on..."

(Stephen Hawking, considered the best known scientist since Albert Einstein, Austin American-Statesmen, October 19, 1997)

"Facts do not 'speak for themselves' they are read in light of theory."

(Evolutionist, Steven J Gould, Professor. Harvard University)

"Why then is not every Geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and serious objection which can be urged against the theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record."

(Charles Darwin)

"If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile"

(Adolph Hitler, "Mein Kampf" 1924)

"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consistently sought to make the practices of Germany conform to the theory of evolution."

(Sir Arthur Keith, a militant anti-Christian physical anthropologist)

"The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world." (Charles Darwin, 1881, 3 July, "Life and Letters of Darwin, vol. 1, 316")

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world."

(Charles Darwin, The descent of Man, Chap. vi)

"The chief distinction in the intellectual powers of the two sexes is shown by mans attaining to a higher eminence, in whatever he takes up, than the woman. Whether deep thought, reason, or imagination or merely the use of the senses and hands.....We may also infer.....The average mental power in man must be above that of woman."

(Charles Darwin, "The descent of Man, pg. 566")

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.....it is simply incredible to think that.....he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites."

(Thomas Huxley, 1871, Lay Sermons, addresses and reviews)

"The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and the Mongolian, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characters, such as the teeth, the genitalia, the sense organs, but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard intelligence of the average adult Negro is similar to that of the 11 year old youth of the species homo-sapiens."

(Dr. H.F. Osborn, Director of the Museum of National History)

"Recapitulation provided a convenient focus for the persuasive racism of white scientists; they looked to the activities of their own children for comparison with normal adult behavior in lower races." (Dr. Stephen J Gould, "Dr. Downs Syndrome" natural history, 1980)

After Seeing The Impossibility Of Evolution, These Scientists Made The Following Observations:

"Evolution can be thought of as sort of a magical religion. Magic is simply an effect without a cause, or at least a competent cause. 'Chance,' 'time,' and 'nature,' are the small gods enshrined at evolutionary temples. Yet these gods cannot explain the origin of life. These gods are impotent. Thus, evolution is left without competent cause and is, therefore, only a magical explanation for the existence of life..."

(Dr. Randy L. Wysong, instructor of human anatomy and physiology, The Creation-Evolution Controversy, pg. 418.)

"After chiding the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."

(Dr. Loren Eiseley, anthropologist, The Immense Journey, pg. 144.)

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups."

(Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist.)

"Evolution is a fairy tale for adults."

(Dr. Paul LeMoine, one of the most prestigious scientists in the world)

"Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

(Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research.)

"The evolution theory is purely the product of the imagination."

(Dr. Ambrose Flemming, Pres. Philosophical Society of Great Britain)

"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research but purely the product of the imagination."

(Albert Fleishman, professor of zoology & comparative anatomy at Erlangen University)

"We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy. It is time we cry, "The emperor has no clothes."

(Dr. Hsu, geologist at the Geological Institute in Zurich.)

"The great cosmologic myth of the twentieth century."

(Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.)

"9/10 of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view."

(Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)

"We have now the remarkable spectacle that just when many scientific men are agreed that there is no part of the Darwinian system that is of any great influence, and that, as a whole, the theory is not only unproved, but impossible, the ignorant, half-educated masses have acquired the idea that it is to be accepted as a fundamental fact."

(Dr. Thomas Dwight, famed professor at Harvard University)

"I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens, many people will pose the question, "How did this ever happen?"

(Dr. Sorren Luthrip, Swedish Embryologist)

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based upon faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion....The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but irrational."

(Dr. Louis T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University)

"Evolution is faith, a religion."

(Dr. Louist T. More, professor of paleontology at Princeton University)

"Darwin's theory of evolution is the last of the great nineteenth-century mystery religions. And as we speak it is now following Freudians and Marxism into the Nether regions, and I'm quite sure that Freud, Marx and Darwin are commiserating one with the other in the dark dungeon where discarded gods gather."

(Dr. David Berlinski)

"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to "bend" their observations to fit in with it."

(H.S. Lipson, Physicist Looks at Evolution, Physics Bulletin 31 (1980), p. 138)

"A time honored scientific tenet of faith."

(Professor David Allbrook)

"Darwinism has become our culture's official creation myth, protected by a priesthood as dogmatic as any religious curia."

(Nancy Pearcey, "Creation Mythology,"pg. 23)

"When students of other sciences ask us what is now currently believed about the origin of species, we have no clear answer to give. Faith has given way to agnosticism. Meanwhile, though our faith in evolution stands unshaken we have no acceptable account of the origin of species."

(Dr. William Bateson, great geneticist of Cambridge)

"Chance renders evolution impossible."

(Dr. James Coppedge)

"It (evolution) is sustained largely by a propaganda campaign that relies on all the usual tricks of rhetorical persuasion: hidden assumptions, question-begging statements of what is at issue, terms that are vaguely defined and change their meaning in midargument, attacks of straw men, selective citation of evidence, and so on. The theory is also protected by its cultural importance. It is the officially sanctioned creation story to modern society, and publicly funded educational authorities spare no effort to persuade people to believe it."

(Professor Phillip Johnson, "Objections Sustained: Subversive Essays on Evolution, Law and Culture," pg. 9)

"Therefore, a grotesque account of a period some thousands of years ago is taken seriously though it be built by piling special assumptions on special assumptions, ad hoc hypothesis [invented for a purpose] on ad hoc hypothesis, and tearing apart the fabric of science whenever it appears convenient. The result is a fantasia which is neither history nor science."

(Dr. James Conant [chemist and former president of Harvard University], quoted in Origins Research, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1982, p. 2.)

"George Bernard Shaw wisecracked once that Darwin had the luck to please everybody who had an axe to grind. Well, I also have an axe to grind, but I am not pleased. We have suffered through two world wars and are threatened by an Armageddon. We have had enough of the Darwinian fallacy.

(Dr. Kenneth Hsu, "Reply," Geology, 15 (1987), p. 177)

"Unfortunately for Darwin's future reputation, his life was spent on the problem of evolution which is deductive by nature...It is absurd to expect that many facts will not always be irreconcilable with any theory of evolution and, today, every one of his theories is contradicted by facts."

(Dr. P.T. Mora, The Dogma of Evolution, p. 194)

"Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century...The origin of life and of new beings on earth is still largely as enigmatic as when Darwin set sail on the [ship] Beagle."

(Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 358.)

"It is inherent in any definition of science that statements that cannot be checked by observation are not really saying anything or at least they are not science."

(George G. Simpson, "The Nonprevalence of Humanoids," in Science, 143 (1964) p. 770.)

"The theory [of evolution] is a scientific mistake."

(Dr. Louis Agassiz, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation, (1966), p. 139. [Agassiz was a Harvard University professor and the pioneer in glaciation.]

"There is no evidence, scientific or otherwise, to support the theory of evolution."

(Sir Cecil Wakely)

"It's impossible by micro-mutation to form any new species."

(Dr. Richard Goldschmt, evolutionist. Founder of the "Hopeful Monster" theory.)

"Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest growing controversial minorities...Many of the scientists supporting this position hold impressive credentials in science."

(Larry Hatfield, "Educators Against Darwin," Science Digest Special, Winter, pp. 94-96.)

"The theory of life that undermined ninteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and in its turn is being threatened by fresh ideas...In the past ten years has emerged a new breed of biologists who are scientifically respectable, but who have their doubts about Darwinism."

(Dr. B. Leith, scientist)

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 nought's after it...It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of Evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, highly respected British physicist and astronomer)

"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."

(Albert Einstein)

"Unfortunately, in the field of evolution most explanations are not good. As a matter of fact, they hardly qualify as explanations at all; they are suggestions, hunches, pipe dreams, hardly worthy of being called hypotheses."

(Dr. Norman Macbeth, Darwin Retried (1971), p. 147)

"Evolution is baseless and quite incredible."

(Dr. John Ambrose Fleming, President, British Association for Advancement of Science, in "The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought")

"The fact is that the evidence was so patchy one hundred years ago that even Darwin himself had increasing doubts as to the validity of his views, and the only aspect of his theory which has received any support over the past century is where it applies to microevolutionary phenomena. His general theory, that all life on earth had originated and evolved by a gradual successive accumulation of fortuitous mutations, is still, as it was in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support and very far from that self-evident axiom some of its more aggressive advocates would have us believe."

(Dr. Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 77)

"I have always been slightly suspicious of the theory of evolution because of its ability to account for any property of living beings (the long neck of the giraffe, for example). I have therefore tried to see whether biological discoveries over the last thirty years or so fit in with Darwin's theory. I do not think that they do. To my mind, the theory does not stand up at all."

(H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physic Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.)

"In conclusion, evolution is not observable, repeatable, or refutable, and thus does not qualify as either a scientific fact or theory."

(Dr. David N. Menton, PhD in Biology from Brown University)

"The success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."

(Dr. W.R. Thompson, world renowned Entomologist)

"I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially to the extant that it's been applied, will be one of the greatest jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so flimsy and dubious a hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."

(Malcolm Muggeridge)

"There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist..denies that this is so. It is simply a fact, Darwin's theory and the fossil record are in conflict."

(Dr. David Berlinsky)

"Scientists concede that their most cherished theories are based on embarrassingly few fossil fragments and that huge gaps exist in the fossil record."

(Time Magazine, Nov. 7, 1977)

"Contrary to what most scientists write, the fossil record does not support the Darwinian theory of evolution because it is this theory which we use to interpret the fossil record. By doing so we are guilty of circular reasoning if we then say the fossil record supports this theory."

(Dr. Ronald R. West)

"The evolutionary establishment fears creation science, because evolution itself crumbles when challenged by evidence. In the 1970s and 1980s, hundreds of public debates were arranged between evolutionary scientists and creation scientists. The latter scored resounding victories, with the result that, today, few evolutionists will debate. Isaac Asimov, Stephen Jay Gould, and the late Carl Sagan, while highly critical of creationism, all declined to debate."

(Dr. James Perloff, Tornado in a Junkyard (1999), p. 241)

"I doubt if there is any single individual within the scientific community who could cope with the full range of [creationist] arguments without the help of an army of consultants in special fields."

(David M. Raup, "Geology and Creation," Bulletin of the Field Museum of Natural History, Vol. 54, March 1983, p. 18)

"I think in fifty years, Darwinian evolution will be gone from the science curriculum...I think people will look back on it and ask how anyone could, in their right mind, have believed this, because it's so implausible when you look at the evidence."

(Dr. Johnathan Wells, author of the book, "Icons of Evolution")

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency--or, rather, Agency--must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?"

(Astronomer George Greenstein, "The Symbiotic Universe," page 27)

"Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say "supernatural") plan."

(Nobel laureate Arno Penzias, "Cosmos, Bios, and Theos," page 83)

"Human DNA contains more organized information than the Encyclopedia Britannica. If the full text of the encyclopedia were to arrive in computer code from outer space, most people would regard this as proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. But when seen in nature, it is explained as the workings of random forces."

(George Sim Johnson "Did Darwin Get it Right?" The Wall Street Journal, October 15, 1999)

"The vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

(Werner von Braun, father of space science, "Gone Bananas," World September 7, 2002)

"Faith does not imply a closed, but an open mind. Quite the opposite of blindness, faith appreciates the vast spiritual realities that materialists overlook by getting trapped in the purely physical."

(Sir John Templeton "the Humble Approach," page 115)

"It is hard to resist the impression that the present structure of the universe, apparently so sensitive to minor alterations in numbers, has been rather carefully thought out...The seemingly miraculous concurrence of these numerical values must remain the most compelling evidence for cosmic design."

(Physicist Paul Davies, "God and the New Physics," page 189)

"Would it not be strange if a universe without purpose accidentally created humans who are so obsessed with purpose?"

(Sir John Templeton, "The Humble Approach: Scientists Discover God," page 19)

"Set aside the many competing explanations of the Big Bang; something made an entire cosmos out of nothing. It is this realization--that something transcendent started it all--which has hard-science types...using terms like 'miracle.'"

(Gregg Easterbrook, "The New Convergence")

"Perhaps the best argument...that the Big Bang supports theism is the obvious unease with which it is greeted by some atheist physicists. At times this has led to scientific ideas...being advanced with a tenacity which so exceeds their intrinsic worth that one can only suspect the operation of psychological forces lying very much deeper than the usual academic desire of a theorist to support his or her theory."

(C. J. Isham, "Creation of the Universe as a Quatum Process" page 378)

"Science and religion...are friends, not foes, in the common quest for knowledge. Some people may find this surprising, for there's a feeling throughout our society that religious belief is outmoded, or downright impossible, in a scientific age. I don't agree. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if people in this so-called 'scientific age' knew a bit more about science than many of them actually do, they'd find it easier to share my views."

(Physicist John Polkinghorne, "Quarks, Chaos, and Christianity")

"Science...has become identified with a philosophy known as materialism or scientific naturalism. This philosophy insists that nature is all there is, or at least the only thing about which we can have any knowledge. It follows that nature had to do its own creating, and that the means of creation must have included any role for God."

(Professor Phillip E. Johnson, "The Church Of Darwin," Wall Street Journal, August 16, 1999)

Chance Renders Evolution Impossible

"The probability of a single protein molecule being arranged by chance is, 1 in 10-161 power, using all the atoms on earth and allowing all the time since the world began...for a minimum set of required 239 protein molecules for the smallest theoretical life, the probability is, 1 in 10-119,879 power. It would take, 10-119,879 power, years on average to get a set of such proteins. That is 10-119,831 times the assumed age of the earth and is a figure with 119,831 zeros."

(Dr. James Coppege from, "The Farce of Evolution" page 71)

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 nought's after it...It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of Evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, highly respected British astronomer and mathematician)

"I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."

(George Gallup, the famous statistician)

"The chance that higher life forms might have emerged through evolutionary processes is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the material therein."

(Sir Fred Hoyle, Highly respected British astronomer and mathematician)

"The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 to 10-340,000,000. This number is 1 to 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering, since there is only supposed to be approximately 10-80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!"

(Professor Harold Morowitz)

"The occurrence of any event where the chances are beyond one in ten followed by 50 zeros is an event which we can state with certainty will never happen, no matter how much time is allotted and no matter how many conceivable opportunities could exist for the event to take place."

(Dr. Emile Borel, who discovered the laws of probability)

"The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer."

(Professor Richard Dawkins, an atheist)

"The only competing explanation for the order we all see in the biological world is the notion of special creation."

(Dr. Colin Patterson, evolutionist and senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, which houses 60 million fossils)

"To insist, even with Olympian assurance, that life appeared quite by chance and evolved in this fashion, is an unfounded supposition which I believe to be wrong and not in accordance with the facts."

(Dr. Pierre-Paul Grasse, University of Paris & past-president of French Academy of Science.)

"It is emphatically the case that life could not arise spontaneously in a primeval soup from its kind."

(Dr. A.E Wilder Smith, chemist and former evolutionist)

"The idea of spontaneous generation of life in its present form is therefore highly improbable even to the scale of the billions of years during which prebotic evolution occurred."

(Dr. Ilya Prigogine, Nobel Prize winner)

"The complexity of the simplest known type cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle."

(Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist)

"The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop."

(Dr. Edwin Conklin, evolutionist and professor of biology at Princeton University.)

"Hypothesis [evolution] based on no evidence and irreconcilable with the facts....These classical evolutionary theories are a gross over-simplification of an immensely complex and intricate mass of facts, and it amazes me that they are swallowed so uncritically and readily, and for such a long time, by so many scientists without a murmur of protest."

(Sir Ernst Chan, Nobel Prize winner for developing penicillin)

"All of us who study the origin of life find that the more we look into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved anywhere. We all believe as an article of faith that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that life's complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did."

(Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Prize winner)

"The world is too complicated in all parts and interconnections to be due to chance alone. I am convinced that the existence of life with all its order in each of its organisms is simply too well put together. Each part of a living thing depends on all its other parts to function. How does each part know? How is each part specified at conception? The more one learns of biochemistry the more unbelievable it becomes unless there is some type of organizing principle---an architect."

(Scientist Allan Sandage)

"One may well find oneself beginning to doubt whether all this could conceivably be the product of an enormous lottery presided over by natural selection, blindly picking the rare winners from among numbers drawn at utter random.....nevertheless although the miracle of life stands "explained" it does not strike us as any less miraculous. As Francois Mauriac wrote, "What this professor says is far more incredible than what we poor Christians believe."

(French Biochemist and Nobel Prize winner, Jacques Monod, "Chance and Necessity.")

"A further aspect I should like to discuss is what I call the practice of infinite escape clauses. I believe we developed this practice to avoid facing the conclusion that the probability of self-reproducing state is zero. This is what we must conclude from classical quantum mechanical principles as Wigner demonstrated"

(Sidney W. Fox, "The Origins of Pre-Biological Systems)

"In terms of their basic biochemical design....no living system can be thought of as being primitive or ancestral with respect to any other system, nor is there the slightest empirical hint of an evolutionary sequence among all the incredibly diverse cells on earth."

(Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist)

"We have always underestimated the cell...The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines...Why do we call [them] machines? Precisely because, like machines invented by humans to deal efficiently with the macroscopic world, these protein assemblies contain highly coordinated moving parts."

(Bruce Alberts, President, National; Academy of Sciences "The Cell as a Collectrion of Protein Machines," Cell 92, February 8, 1998)

"We should reject, as a matter of principle the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."

(Biochemist, Franklin M. Harold "The Way of the Cell," page 205)

"Evolutionary biologists have been able to pretend to know how complex biological systems originated only because they treated them as black boxes. Now that biochemists have opened the black boxes and seen what is inside, they know the Darwinian theory is just a story, not a scientific explanation."

(Professor Phillip E. Johnson)

"The simplicity that was once expected to be the foundation of life has proven to be a phantom; instead, systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence is a shock to us in the twentieth century who have gotten used to thinking of life as the result of simple natural laws. But other centuries have had their shocks, and there is no reason to suppose that we should escape them. Humanity has endured as the center of the heavens moved from the earth to beyond the sun, as the history of life expanded to encompass long-dead reptiles, as the eternal universe proved mortal. We will endure the opening of Darwin's Black box"

(Michael j. Behe, Biochemist "Darwin's Black Box, pg. 252")

"An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going."

(Dr. Francis Crick, biochemist, Nobel Prize winner, Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature, pg. 88)

"Contrary to the popular notion that only creationism relies on the supernatural, evolutionism must as well, since the probabilities of random formation of life are so tiny as to require a 'miracle' for spontaneous generation tantamount to a theological argument."

(Dr. Chandra Wickramasinge, cited in, Creation vs Evolution, John Ankerberg, pg. 20.)

"Complex molecules that are essential to particular organisms often have such a vast information content as...to make the theory of evolution impossible."

(Bird, Origin of Species Revisited, Vol. 1, pg. 71)

"A close inspection discovers an empirical impossibility to be inherent in the idea of evolution."

(Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, Swedish botanist and geneticist, English Summary of Synthetische Artbildung, pg. 1142-43, 1186.)


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1 posted on 07/02/2005 7:48:06 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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To: gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; plain talk; ...
(((Creationist Ping)))



You have been pinged because of your interest in matters of Creation vs. Evolution, Creation trumping evolution, and evolutionary fraud. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."


Can you say "yowza!"?
2 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:32 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. (1 Corinthians 16:13))
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology

They don't give Nobel Prizes in Biology, doofus.

3 posted on 07/02/2005 7:52:52 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (If Rachel Corrie had listened to a military recruiter, she might be alive today)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I always thought it ironic that evo's accuse creationist of argument from incredulity" when most of their arguments are just that.

Likewise, evo's accuse creationists of imagining a "God of the gaps", when their imaginings fit the term "evolution of the gaps" far better.


4 posted on 07/02/2005 7:58:50 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Oztrich Boy
Thank you for pointing this out and catching it for us, Ozzie. Dr. Wald won the 1967 prize in Medicine, not biology.
5 posted on 07/02/2005 8:01:38 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger (Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. (1 Corinthians 16:13))
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To: Oztrich Boy

What happened to "Everybody be nice."


6 posted on 07/02/2005 8:02:54 PM PDT by wallcrawlr ( Moderates = You're the wise middle. Like a spare tire around the fat waist of society.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"There are only two possibilities as to how life arose; one is spontaneous generation arising to evolution, the other is a supernatural creative act of God, there is no third possibility. Spontaneous generation that life arose from non-living matter was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others.

You know, this just sums it up perfectly. In order to believe that God had no part in creation, you have to believe in a completely unscientific, antiquated notion. Life can not arise from non-life. It takes life to make life. There's no way around it.

7 posted on 07/02/2005 8:05:07 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Wow- where'd you get all that?


8 posted on 07/02/2005 8:05:15 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Whats up my Freeper!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Let me be the first to offer the standard proof supplied by evolutionists:

You're stupid if you don't believe in evolution.....

9 posted on 07/02/2005 8:05:39 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: DouglasKC

Ah, that's way too simple. Why, even the average peon can understand that. Surely it can't be that simple, because if it was, the elite pinhead intellectuals, the high priests and keepers of scientific knowledge, would have no pulpit from which to preach.

There must be a highly complex, labyrinthine explanation for the existence of the universe. One that doesn't include such crude, neanderthal concepts as 'God' and 'faith'.

And I'm sure someone will offer it to us here shortly.


10 posted on 07/02/2005 8:11:22 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Whats up my Freeper!!)
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To: Onelifetogive
If man evolved from Apes why do Apes still exist? (Think what you may but I know my relatives arrived here thousands of years ago on ice ships from outer space, so there!)
11 posted on 07/02/2005 8:12:03 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: ovrtaxt
There must be a highly complex, labyrinthine explanation for the existence of the universe. One that doesn't include such crude, neanderthal concepts as 'God' and 'faith'. And I'm sure someone will offer it to us here shortly.

I've never heard an explanation on this. They have to believe in a fairy tale that a bunch of non-living components somehow organized themselves and became alive. Kind of like maggots arising spontaneously from rotten meat.

12 posted on 07/02/2005 8:14:45 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: wallcrawlr
What happened to "Everybody be nice."

That's for Evolutionist Threads.

Creationists Threads; When in Rome, do as the Creationists do

13 posted on 07/02/2005 8:23:34 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (If Rachel Corrie had listened to a military recruiter, she might be alive today)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

well yeah but,
those aren't REAL scientists.

REAL scientists believe in evolution.
In fact, that should be the basis for all science degrees.

< / sarcasm >


14 posted on 07/02/2005 9:23:46 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Get your brand new 'penumbra and emanation' scopes while they are hot, two for fifty cents!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Sorry, pal.

Anyone who has to resort to a Hitler reference loses the argument.


15 posted on 07/02/2005 9:57:53 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

"If man evolved from Apes why do Apes still exist?"

Common fallacy, and an easy misunderstanding to rectify.

Man did not evolve from Apes. Apes and Man both evolved from a common ancestor.

Now that that has been cleared up, any other questions?


16 posted on 07/02/2005 10:00:07 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Apparently, there is a sort of a gap between what real experts such as you quote have to say about evolution, and what the experts-in-their-own-minds whose blatherings you read on these internet forums have to say about it. Interesting, to say the least.


17 posted on 07/03/2005 2:48:20 AM PDT by tahotdog
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To: highball
Now that that has been cleared up, any other questions?

Why doesn't the common ancestor still exist?

18 posted on 07/03/2005 9:31:08 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The very first quote in your list, the Wald quote, is an absolute and total fabrication, invented out of thin air. Is there any reason I should continue on to the rest of the list, or is it a complete waste of time also?


19 posted on 07/03/2005 9:52:24 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: tallhappy

Do you really not know?

French and Italian both evolved out of Latin. Does it surpise you to hear that no people speak Latin as their first language?

Come on, this is elementary stuff.


20 posted on 07/03/2005 3:05:47 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Hell, he couldn't be bothered to check out the veracity of these (mis)quotes, what makes you think he'd check out the Nobel prize categories?


21 posted on 07/03/2005 6:06:41 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: highball

I see you weren't able to clear this up.


22 posted on 07/03/2005 7:11:23 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
I cannot help someone who insists on remaining ignorant.

Perfectly understandable, though. Ignorance is a prerequisite for creationism.
23 posted on 07/04/2005 6:04:36 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball
I'd think the common ancestor doesn't exist because all the members died off after the ape and human ancestors arose.

I'm not sure why you have such a problem understanding that.

Or that you are unable to answer a question in a straightforward manner.

24 posted on 07/04/2005 9:10:40 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Truth: Man killed off all the common ancestors. In other words, the common ancestor was too stupid to live....


25 posted on 07/04/2005 10:07:11 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: Junior

Note post 5.


26 posted on 07/04/2005 10:41:08 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: highball; tallhappy

One thing:

Latin isn't spoken as a first language because an outside source (Celts) stepped in and altered it.

The language did not change of itself (heck, the later Roman period saw a revival of "true" latin, in an effort to keep it "correct" and "universal".)

An outside force changed it, and adapted it.

But the fact remains, we still use Latin to this day. (whether or not it is a "first language" the tangible evidence is still there)

So answer the question, especially given your recent answer: Why doesn't the ancestor still exist?


27 posted on 07/04/2005 10:47:28 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: MacDorcha

It still calls into question the veracity of the quotes.


28 posted on 07/05/2005 3:29:41 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: highball
Perfectly understandable, though. Ignorance is a prerequisite for creationism.

Less so than arrogant derision is a requisite for filling the logical gaps and promoting macroevolution theory. You're probably not aware of the fact that you're simply following a traditional strategy that was deliberately concocted by "Darwin's Bulldog" (Huxley) to quell public scrutiny of macroevolution theory. That tactic trickled down through our education industry, and you're blindly going along. Does that make you "ignorant"?
29 posted on 07/05/2005 7:56:44 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus

Cute.

Doesn't change the fact that "creation science" is an oxymoron. We don't need to address Darwinism at all to recognize that.

I'm not saying that Darwinism is perfect, or that it holds all the answers. But it is the only scientific answer that addresses the evidence.


30 posted on 07/05/2005 8:01:15 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Oztrich Boy
They don't give Nobel Prizes in Biology, doofus.

LOL So out of this entire posting, this is all you could find to pick apart?

Very telling.

31 posted on 07/05/2005 8:38:29 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: general_re
The very first quote in your list, the Wald quote, is an absolute and total fabrication, invented out of thin air.

I presume you can prove this assertion?

32 posted on 07/05/2005 8:41:09 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Well-trodden ground - mash here.
33 posted on 07/05/2005 8:55:38 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ah, quote-mining. A proud Creationist tradition.

Throw a large number of out-of-context or, in some cases, made up quotes up against the wall in the hopes that they will stick.


34 posted on 07/05/2005 9:03:38 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: MacDorcha
So answer the question, especially given your recent answer: Why doesn't the ancestor still exist?

Because it died out. Maybe there was an environmental change that the species could not adapt to. Maybe other species (such as some of the species descended from the original species) ended up wiping out the ancestor species.

Species go extinct all the time. It's not particularly surprising that one of our ancestor species died out, since the majority of our primate ancestors have died out.

35 posted on 07/05/2005 9:09:11 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: MEGoody
LOL So out of this entire posting, this is all you could find to pick apart?

Finding a elementary demonstration of ignorance in the very first quote example of the posting

Very telling.

36 posted on 07/05/2005 9:19:20 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. = Voltaire)
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To: Modernman
Because it died out.

Highball apparently didn't know this.

37 posted on 07/05/2005 9:31:26 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Finding a elementary demonstration of ignorance in the very first quote example of the posting

I noticed you didn't criticize the quote itself. :)

38 posted on 07/05/2005 9:32:41 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: general_re
I see. So what you are asking me to do is believe a posting on that site instead of a posting on this site.

Got it

39 posted on 07/05/2005 9:38:01 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

You're always free to settle any controversy you feel may exist by going to the library and looking it up yourself.


40 posted on 07/05/2005 9:39:34 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: MEGoody
I noticed you didn't criticize the quote itself. :)

Because quotes by themselves mean nothing. They only serve to highlight a way of looking at an issue as an introduction to discussion.

"Quote-mining" ia an appeal to authority, done by people who neither understand or care about the topic.

Attempting to discuss the actual topic of the quote with a quote-miner is like teaching a pig to whistle.

41 posted on 07/05/2005 9:54:10 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. = Voltaire)
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To: Oztrich Boy
"Quote-mining" ia an appeal to authority, done by people who neither understand or care about the topic.

Ah, rather like people who choose to make an issue out of a little detail in the quote credits.

42 posted on 07/05/2005 10:00:21 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: general_re
You're always free to settle any controversy you feel may exist by going to the library and looking it up yourself.

Absolutely.

43 posted on 07/05/2005 10:01:41 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Ah, rather like people who choose to make an issue out of a little detail in the quote credits.

You mean people who would impugn the entire credibility of Dan Rather's reporting because of a little sloppiness in source checking?

44 posted on 07/05/2005 10:18:32 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No morality can be founded on authority., even if the authority were divine - Sir Alfred Jules Ayer)
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To: Modernman
Ah, quote-mining. A proud Creationist tradition.

Ah yes, the old "you're just quote mining" missive. I was waiting for that. Get that from TalkOrigins, by any chance? Feel free to take any of these quotes and provide any "context" you feel would change the meaning of the words these macroevolution proponents used.

At bottom, the "quote mining" charge is just a buzzword that means nothing. It's meant to create a negative emotive reaction to the message and quell objecdtive discussion. But words mean things; so do plain admissions. To suggest otherwise is take a page right out of the Bill Clinton Manual of Dissembling, Diversion and Distraction-- a tactic unworthy of "enlightened and objective" minds searching for truth.
45 posted on 07/05/2005 10:37:47 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: mikeus_maximus
At bottom, the "quote mining" charge is just a buzzword that means nothing.

Maybe so. Quotes are irrelevant anyway. The scientific research behind evolution is solid. The science behind creation is crap. That's the bottom line. Read a science book.

46 posted on 07/05/2005 12:55:10 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: tallhappy

I knew it, I thought my original response was more than adequate. My mistake.

The fact that the common ancestor is no longer around doesn't mean it didn't exist. It also doesn't matter *why* the common ancestor is no longer around, except as an intellectual exercise.

For my own part, I think that the common ancestor probably died out because it was not as well adapted to changes in its environment as both man and apes. Is that sufficient for you, or would you rather make another snarky comment?


47 posted on 07/05/2005 12:56:37 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Modernman

That wasn't to you. I have a firm grasp of the reasons supposed. I was asking highball to clarify his dim point.


48 posted on 07/05/2005 8:46:42 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: Junior

Fair enough.


49 posted on 07/05/2005 8:47:34 PM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: highball
Why bother? Trying to explain the integrity of the scientific method to people who still believe dinosaurs and people lived at the same time is like trying to explain advanced vector calculus to someone who hasn't learned to count to ten yet.


50 posted on 07/06/2005 7:26:32 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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