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The solution to gun violence is clear (Disarm the dhimmah!)
The Washington Post ^ | December 19, 2012 | Fareed Zakaria

Posted on 12/31/2012 2:59:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Announcing Wednesday that he would send proposals on reducing gun violence in America to Congress, President Obama mentioned a number of sensible gun-control measures. But he also paid homage to the Washington conventional wisdom about the many and varied causes of this calamity — from mental health issues to school safety. His spokesman, Jay Carney, had said earlier that this is “a complex problem that will require a complex solution.” Gun control, Carney added, is far from the only answer.

In fact, the problem is not complex, and the solution is blindingly obvious.

People point to three sets of causes when talking about events such as the Newtown, Conn., shootings. First, the psychology of the killer; second, the environment of violence in our popular culture; and, third, easy access to guns. Any one of these might explain a single shooting. What we should be trying to understand is not one single event but why we have so many of them. The number of deaths by firearms in the United States was 32,000 last year. Around 11,000 were gun homicides.

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The data in social science are rarely this clear. They strongly suggest that we have so much more gun violence than other countries because we have far more permissive laws than others regarding the sale and possession of guns. With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.

There is clear evidence that tightening laws — even in highly individualistic countries with long traditions of gun ownership — can reduce gun violence. In Australia, after a 1996 ban on all automatic and semiautomatic weapons — a real ban, not like the one we enacted in 1994 with 600-plus exceptions — gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent over the next decade...

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; crushislam; guncontrol; gungrabbers; islam; obama; qitalislam; sandyhook; secondamendment; unitednations; youwillnotdisarmus
A Muslim elitist CFR member wants our guns taken away. What a shock!
1 posted on 12/31/2012 2:59:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The data is clear. We have a racial minority that believes education is attending prison. Until prison academy is stopped, changed, shunned, etc. we’ll have plenty of gun violence. All the rest of these scientific conclusions are garbage until this changes.


2 posted on 12/31/2012 3:08:52 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the Ausies took all the guns and had less than a 60% reduction in violence involving guns?

Sounds about like the whole country is a gun free zone with the expected outcome.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 3:10:51 PM PST by wrench (I want my country back)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FTA: “With 5 percent of the world’s population, the United States has 50 percent of the guns.”

Good!


4 posted on 12/31/2012 3:15:50 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We are a free people because the common man had and has guns. We will cease to be a free people shortly after they’re taking away.


5 posted on 12/31/2012 3:16:06 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, Fareed, you’re on. A total gun ban it is. We can form a special militia force, better call it an “auxiliary” or something, to seize the existing guns. As a passionate man of the media, you will naturally want to show the courage of your convictions and sign up. I will even go with you and we can go door to door to confiscate all those evil guns. You first.


6 posted on 12/31/2012 3:18:30 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Victory in Iraq: Worst defeat for activist media since Goebbels shot himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you have a Moslem of any kind calling for your disarmament, it’s time to buy more guns and ammo.


7 posted on 12/31/2012 3:21:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html

who to believe tha washington compost or the wall street journal?


8 posted on 12/31/2012 3:26:52 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There's too many criminals and crazy people, and not enough guns being carried per capita in this country.

If everyone was armed, all the time, there would be very much less crime - yeah, maybe for a while more criminals would be suddenly dead, but that would be a major plus. jmho

How many kids would be killed in a school where all teachers, administrators, and janitors were known to carry, and known to be crack-shots?

Fareed Zakaria is an idiot.

9 posted on 12/31/2012 3:35:28 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The number of deaths by firearms in the United States was 32,000 last year. Around 11,000 were gun homicides.

Bull$h!t. Damn liars. In 2011, the FBI Uniform Crime report listed 12,664 murders, of which 8,583 were gun related.

10 posted on 12/31/2012 3:47:47 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1


11 posted on 12/31/2012 3:51:57 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...a number of sensible gun-control measures...

Please read the 2nd Amendment and then tell me what a sensible measure is that limits a protected right. If you really think it is a sensible measure, try applying the same logic/argument to limiting someone's 1st Amendment rights. Does it still sound sensible?

12 posted on 12/31/2012 3:52:08 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: tx_eggman
We are a free people because the common man had and has guns. We will cease to be a free people shortly after they’re taking away.

It is not even the fact that we own guns. It is the fact that the government hasn't taken away (infringed) upon the right. The moment we start letting the government decide what we need or don't need - that is no longer freedom and liberty, that is tyranny. Not sometime down the road in the future, that is tyranny right here, right now.

13 posted on 12/31/2012 3:54:15 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Stick To Your Guns

My thoughts on this.

14 posted on 12/31/2012 4:24:27 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe the effete political/regulator folks plan to allow another group to be exclusive in owning and carrying weapons after their desired bans. Maybe they’ll arm more of their Muslim terrorist allies in America, too, in an effort to disarm us: descendants of northwestern Europe.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 4:26:12 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Precisely! I'd like to see if the same arguments were applied to a religion, would the same conclusion be drawn?

Suppose a particular religion was the seed of many murders, both mass and of individual children, by bomb, knife, stone, gun, airplane? Suppose we enact the same sort of restraints ... heck it's only an amendment in an old and out of date document, right? Let's say 1) all practitioners of the religion must register with a national registry 2) they will not be allowed to gather in more than groups of 7, or 15, maybe, but definitely not in groups of 30 or more, and 3) certain sects will be outright illegal, as they are just too dangerous and there's no real need for them, as there other perfectly good religions and sects that should be adequate. After all, if our Founder's were here today, they would be the first to acknowledge that the world has changed and their basic principles no longer apply. /s

16 posted on 12/31/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by JustSurrounded
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From an Internet source: "Time magazine and CNN suspended columnist and TV host Fareed Zakaria on Friday after he acknowledged that he plagiarized . . . ."

That Fareed Zakaria?

17 posted on 12/31/2012 4:42:34 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fareed_Zakaria


18 posted on 12/31/2012 5:40:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: muawiyah

The Koran, Hadiths, & the Pact of Umar are clear:

“INFIDELS MAY NOT POSSESS WEAPONS. ONLY MUSLIMS CAN.”

Watch for all your friendly local imams to endorse the Feinstein gun grab bill.


19 posted on 12/31/2012 6:03:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"In Australia, after a 1996 ban on all automatic and semiautomatic weapons — a real ban, not like the one we enacted in 1994 with 600-plus exceptions — gun-related homicides dropped 59 percent over the next decade..."

Australia:

United States:

Australian total homicides dropped 12% over the period mentioned with their "real" automatic and semiautomatic weapons ban.

The American total homicide rate dropped 23% over the same time period, despite having only a symbolic ban on particular cosmetic features.

Note: I am posting murder numbers in Australia and murder rates in the United States, because those are the charts I found first. The actual improvement is slightly different from what I am reporting, but should not be dramatically different. I would be amazed if Fareed Zakaria reported the facts he chose to report without realizing just how misleading his words are. Sure, gun laws can affect the gun murder and gun suicide rates, but their effect on total murder and suicide rates is not what he is implying. We are facing systematic lies, from leftists with an agenda.

20 posted on 12/31/2012 6:33:38 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If he thinks arriving at a deal to avoid sequestration was tough, just wait for this one.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 9:16:36 PM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: umgud

Around 11,000 were gun homicides. ... FBI Uniform Crime report listed 12,664 murders, of which 8,583 were gun related.


Lies by parsing. Homicides does not equate to murders, but includes murders, manslaughter (both voluntary & involuntary) AND all justifiable killings, even those by police.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 10:39:29 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gun control, Carney added, is far from the only answer.

But it is the first step to open the door for the real answer....Oh, when those cotton balls get rotten You can't pick very much cotton In them old cotton fields back home

23 posted on 01/01/2013 4:48:38 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Take names and BLOAT


24 posted on 01/02/2013 9:42:43 AM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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