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Gun sales and the cost of guessing wrong (Saran Wrap for your keyboard & screen is a good idea)
The Boulder Daily Camera ^ | December 28, 2012 | Stu Stuller

Posted on 12/28/2012 1:06:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Twice, I have had the unpleasant task of assisting school districts in the aftermath of school shootings. First, Columbine, and then in 2006, an intruder took a classroom hostage in Platte Canyon just west of Columbine, and killed a student. The news from Newtown, Conn., last week was both sickening and infuriating.

Everyone, including the gun industry, acknowledges that a risk of catastrophic loss is created when irresponsible persons are given access to firearms. The industry's response is that we can negate this risk by placing more guns in the hands of responsible persons. It's a nice piece of marketing, but I don't buy it.

The notion that if only Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold had been confronted by someone with a firearm, the massacre at Columbine might have been diminished ignores that Harris and Klebold were confronted by someone with a firearm, someone trained to use it -- the Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy assigned to the school. Harris and Klebold, however, were better armed. They laid down a fusillade, retreated into the building and began killing in earnest.

When irresponsible people with guns expect to be confronted by responsible people with guns, they get bigger guns. The Aurora theater shooter, armored and armed with high capacity magazines, was the high school shooter as a graduate student.

If the gun industry is to be taken at its word, it seeks to put firearms in the hands of responsible owners. Nonetheless, 30,000 gun-related deaths per year is compelling evidence that the gun industry consistently, and profitably, oversells its intended market. Yet, the consequences of these over-sales are borne by victims. We should place the risk of over-sales on the people who profit from the sales...

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TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; lawsuits; sandyhook
Stu Stuller, esquire, Caplan and Earnest LLC 1800 Broadway, Suite 200 Boulder, CO 80302 phone: 303-443-8010 fax: 303-440-3967 sstuller@celaw.com

Mr. Stuller is admitted to practice law in the State of Colorado, the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals and the United States Supreme Court. He has also been named a Best Lawyer in America® multiple times. Practice Areas: Schools & Education (60%), Civil Rights/First Amendment (20%), Appellate (20%)

1 posted on 12/28/2012 1:06:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Folks, this is Boulder.

Their joke of a Police force couldn’t even find a murdered child in the home of their parents...after the parents claimed she had been “kidnapped.”

Not only are we not looking at the sharpest knives in the drawer...but...“... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.”


2 posted on 12/28/2012 1:10:49 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Simply writing a law or statute, with no intention of actually enforcing it except on the unwary, is not a good allocation of resources. It clutters up the law books and serves only as a rule to be broken for the convenience of criminals, at the expense of their potential or very real victims.

One more obstacle for taking charge of your own personal safety has just be erected.

Response time for a call to 911 to arrive on scene - five to thirty minutes.

Response time for a slug to arrive in the perpetrator´s chest when the trigger is pulled - approximately 0.08 seconds.


3 posted on 12/28/2012 1:12:16 PM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

so little time... so much stupid


4 posted on 12/28/2012 1:18:18 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, dammed lies, statistics, and democrap talking points.)
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To: alloysteel

Well, sounds like ‘ole ambulance chasin’ Stu has a racket. Got a good thing goin’ on Stu-pid?


5 posted on 12/28/2012 1:20:03 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...Harris and Klebold were confronted by someone with a firearm, someone trained to use it -- the Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy assigned to the school. Harris and Klebold, however, were better armed. They laid down a fusillade, retreated into the building and began killing in earnest.

I suppose that if one were to park a car bomb at a school then no amount of armament would be enough to stop the slaughter. With that in mind, the only solution is to decentralize schools, perhaps start encouraging parents to home school (as if poor performance and normal everyday school violence isn't enough motivation). I'm sure the NEA would jump all over that....not.

6 posted on 12/28/2012 1:23:31 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog

There was no Deputy assigned to Columbine. He was a Security Guard whose gun was locked in the trunk of the car two blocks away.


7 posted on 12/28/2012 1:52:09 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is ole Stu’s bid to bring back the sue the deepest pockets initiative. It is about nothing more than money in his pocket.

Not going to happen Stu, Esq.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 2:01:03 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stick it, Stu!


9 posted on 12/28/2012 2:19:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

None of these firearm statistics address the LARGEST cause of death to innocent victims, which remains atheistic/Marxist/socialist governments once they have achieved dictatorial rule. Consider:

Mao: 75 millions dead;
Stalin: 50 millions dead;
Hitler: 25 millions dead;
and then we have Castro, Pol Pot, Lenin (the destruction of the white Russians); and others.

These numbers are 6 orders of magnitude higher than the sum of homicides committed by individuals.

The US Founders, in the wisdom of their recent experience and Christian values, realized that the ONLY safeguard against such atrocities is an armed and vigilant society of free men.

When someone explains how else we will prevent tyranny (which is fast gaining ground) I will consider revising my stand on the 2nd Amendment.


10 posted on 12/28/2012 2:22:24 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LandShark Stuller is a stellar example of fully developed “Boulder Dementia Syndrome”.

Folks in Boulder deserve what the predators in two feet like Stuller do to them, as they richly deserve what the predators on four feet do to their children and pets.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 2:58:45 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“that the gun industry consistently, and profitably, oversells its intended market. “

Lawyers are to blame for many deaths. As in Rome, maybe we should kill the lawyers first?


12 posted on 12/28/2012 3:06:58 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey Stu, you wanna save kids' lives? Ban backyard swimming pools.
13 posted on 12/28/2012 3:43:41 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The cop at Columbine ran away instead of trying to confront Dylan or Klebold.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 3:57:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Casey Anthony would not like that ban...


15 posted on 12/28/2012 5:05:00 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: CodeToad
If the gun industry is to be taken at its word, it seeks to put firearms in the hands of responsible owners. Nonetheless, 30,000 gun-related deaths per year is compelling evidence that the gun industry consistently, and profitably, oversells its intended market.
-I think it’s estimated that there are a thousand legally owned guns in the country for every (annual) gun murder. If that is anything like accurate, it is patent that the vast preponderance of guns are bought - and used - strictly for defensive purposes. And it is scarcely to be thought that the gun is useful or needful only for defense against other guns; nowhere is it written that people who have no offensive intent are immune from violence if neither the defensive nor the offensive combatant has a firearm.

The “logic” of weapon control does not therefore end with high-capacity magazines or even with repeating rifles/pistols - it leads into knife - and tool - control. Which no one supposes is of any help for the senior citizen confronted by a fatherless teen . . .


16 posted on 12/28/2012 6:48:02 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Stuller is admitted to practice law in the State of Colorado,


He is a lawyer but does not know what in the hell the second amendment was put there for? figures.

I wonder if he is smart enough to read the history of the last century
? well over a hundred million people murdered by the governments because they had no fire arms.


17 posted on 12/28/2012 7:29:14 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: alloysteel
Response time for a call to 911 to arrive on scene - five to thirty minutes.
Response time for a slug to arrive in the perpetrator´s chest when the trigger is pulled - approximately 0.08 seconds.

When seconds count, LEOs who are not obligated to prevent any killing small or large, are just minutes away!

Any honest cop will verify that.

18 posted on 12/28/2012 10:13:33 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: alloysteel
Response time for a call to 911 to arrive on scene - five to thirty minutes.
Response time for a slug to arrive in the perpetrator´s chest when the trigger is pulled - approximately 0.08 seconds.

When seconds count, LEOs who are not obligated to prevent any killing small or large, are just minutes away!

Any honest cop will verify that.

19 posted on 12/28/2012 10:13:46 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Everyone, including the gun industry, acknowledges that a risk of catastrophic loss is created when irresponsible persons are given access to firearms. The industry's response is that we can negate this risk by placing more guns in the hands of responsible persons. It's a nice piece of marketing, but I don't buy it.

On the flip side: Liberals, including lawyers, acknowledge that there is a risk of catastrophic impact when right-minded, Freedom-loving People practice the 1st Amendment. Their response is that they can negate the risk by having more left-wingnuts writing articles and by suppressing the use of the 1st Amendment for those who love Freedom. It's a twisted and evil concept and I don't buy it...

20 posted on 12/29/2012 2:34:55 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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