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To: Askel5; One Name

“The teachers may in many cases be no more than dupes, but the educational gurus know exactly what they are doing and how to do it”

This question seems to come up all the time—just where can the line be drawn between the useful idiots and the malignant tyrants?

Surely, I have assumed that Hillary must be one of those in the know. And people like Soros, Alinsky, and Gramsci. And Lenin, by definition, was surely not a useful idiot, right?

So what exactly is it that moves them? Gramsci must have known he would never see anything significant of the fruit of his labors. Same for Alinsky, and even Hillary. Do they even know what it is they seek? (Alinsky did—see his book dedication.)

Ultimately, aren’t they all being used?

Is this visible mask of despair which has gradually woven itself into the countenances of Hillary and Barack—and superimposed its pasted gloominess onto the facial expressions of individuals ranging from Frances Piven to almost every Hollywood star—is this look of dread not a precursor to the suffering they will know when at last they meet that unmentionable object of their desire?


12 posted on 09/26/2012 11:41:57 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith

100+ years and counting. These folks are nothing if not patient. Is this incremental approach part of the plan or does it only appear that way in hindsight? In any event, this “progress” appears planned in a way that, say, the rise of Western Civilization over the millennia, does not.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 6:08:28 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: reasonisfaith
=== Ultimately, aren’t they all being used?

Yes. Absolutely.

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.





There must be in this room the makings of at least that number of unscrupulous, treacherous, ruthless egotists. The choice is still before you: and I hope you will not take my hard words about your possible future characters as a token of disrespect to your present characters.

And the prophecy I make is this. To nine out of ten of you the choice which could lead to scoundrelism will come, when it does come, in no very dramatic colours. Obviously bad men, obviously threatening or bribing, will almost certainly not appear. Over a drink, or a cup of coffee, disguised as triviality and sandwiched between two jokes, from the lips of a man, or woman, whom you have recently been getting to know rather better and whom you hope to know better still- just at the moment when you are most anxious not to appear crude, or naïf or a prig- the hint will come.

It will be the hint of something which the public, the ignorant, romantic public, would never understand: something which even the outsiders in your own profession are apt to make a fuss about: but something, says your new friend, which "we"- and at the word "we" you try not to blush for mere pleasure- something "we always do."

And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face- that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face- turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit.

It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude; it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel.

That is my first reason. Of all the passions, the passion for the Inner Ring is most skillful in making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things.




speaking of old threads, that's from CS Lewis's on Making Good Men Do Bad Things

But where the "march through the institutions" of Gramsci was concerned -- particularly Educational -- there is also the element of being rather programmed and embracing this secular dogma without a lot of thought and maybe an excess of Enthusiasm.

Thomas Molnar
Utopia: The Perennial Heresy
(Sheed & Ward, 1967, pp. 132-133)

Mankind's attempts at total, utopian integration will manage to move forward only on that day when artificial sentiments support artificial objectives, when natural sentiments are torn out by the roots and replaced by false feelings and aspirations.

The utopian assumes that the vistas he exposes to mankind are so glorious that we can show adequate tribute only in a permanent state of enthusiasm.

Although enthusiasm usually manifests itself in loudly voiced approval, it is, basically, a constant affirmation of unity and pledge of participation.16

Yet, as Lord Percy of Newcastle notes in The Heresy of Democracy, the hectic search for unity must entail mob violence and legalized terror; it lies in the more fundamental fact that a people, thus summoned to demonstrate its unity as the precondition of its liberty, much regard enthusiasm as the first duty of citizenship.


Notes at the original which is still here, strangely enough!
23 posted on 09/27/2012 11:32:26 PM PDT by Askel5 († Truth suffers, but never dies -- Teresa of Avila †)
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To: reasonisfaith

I think you are correct in your assessment- those who seem to have it all, and live a charmed or powerful life must in their deepest corner know they are condemned, if they reject the Truth of Jesus Christ.

They may have a good run, but it is just a flash in the pan.

As for their ideological precursors who enjoyed no such riches, power or fame in their lifetime- they are just shit outta luck...


29 posted on 09/29/2012 7:35:30 PM PDT by One Name
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