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Re:"Mal and Val - not Ann and the Old Man" Any evidence Valerie Sarruf is Obama's mom? (vanity)
Seizethecarp vanity commentary on Dr. Ron J. Polland youtube dated 08/07/11 ^ | August 1, 2012 | Seizethecarp (vanity)

Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland

The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.

In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.

Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?

Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.

For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!

Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.

For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.

The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?

In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.

Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.


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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

981 posted on 08/15/2012 11:48:08 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

982 posted on 08/15/2012 11:48:32 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

983 posted on 08/15/2012 11:48:50 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

984 posted on 08/15/2012 11:49:07 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

985 posted on 08/15/2012 11:49:24 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

986 posted on 08/15/2012 11:49:44 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

987 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:01 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

988 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:23 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

989 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:40 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

990 posted on 08/15/2012 11:50:58 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Spunky

Good grief Spunky... unplug the bot


991 posted on 08/15/2012 11:51:11 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

992 posted on 08/15/2012 11:51:16 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

993 posted on 08/15/2012 11:51:33 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

994 posted on 08/15/2012 11:51:49 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

995 posted on 08/15/2012 11:52:49 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

996 posted on 08/15/2012 11:53:08 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

997 posted on 08/15/2012 11:53:19 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

998 posted on 08/15/2012 11:53:34 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
"IIRC, release by HI of marriage vital records would violate HI statutes which mandate withholding marriage records for 70 years regardless of whether both parties are alive or dead, so it is no surprise that no vital record of the marriage has been seen. This record is one of the two most likely possibilities for the missing page 11 of the divorce record is the marriage record (the other being the BC for Barry)."

”Of course I was referring to release of marriage vital records being unavailable to persons OTHER than the parties to the marriage or perhaps their immediate family. With no party to the marriage alive and immediate family not cooperating, neither the marriage vital record,….”

They are called PUBLIC RECORDS and I have called County Court houses to enquire if so and so was married and they would give me the answer over the phone.

999 posted on 08/15/2012 11:53:54 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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To: Seizethecarp
To let you know those postings were not hic-ups. You now have 1000 postings on what you have called YOUR thread. Do you think you can put it to bed now?
1,000 posted on 08/15/2012 11:57:37 PM PDT by Spunky (Those)
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