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To: raulgomez05
I know we're all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

I concede the south had many great traditions ruined by the civil war but, the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty. The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we'd all like to forget about.

Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi's or the southern racists? I pretty much think it's a tie. Still, those civil rights issues have been resolved long ago and those days, though regretful, are done.

In conclusion, let's not get crazy about who was in the moral ‘right’ over the civil war. Facts is facts.

6 posted on 07/07/2012 5:08:45 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Mustangman
The civil war wasn't about slavery it was about states rights and peoples constitutional right to property.

Specifically, the federal government wanted to take something of great worth from people without compensation, even freaking Kelo vs New London didn't go that far.

Many studies have concluded that slavery would have petered out on it's own even without the civil war.

Our system of government as originally intended died when the South lost, and we are reaping what was sown with the loss to this day.

14 posted on 07/07/2012 5:19:47 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Mustangman
Your myopic view of history shows. The North had slaveowners and it was the shipping interests of the North that imported the slaves. Several slave states were not in the South. New York's killing of blacks during the Civil War is so easily forgotten by the biased. Post Civil War found the Klan in higher number in the Northern States than in the South up until the 1930’s, Indiana with the highest numbers. These are just a few examples, it'd take the entire bandwidth to enumerate all of them. Northern racism still exists because many of the Northerners have not learned to live with the blacks as have Southerners.
16 posted on 07/07/2012 5:25:08 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Mustangman
I know we're all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

Worse than nuts, we'd have been an English colony in all but name starting from 1865 and ending when Jesus comes back.

27 posted on 07/07/2012 5:46:09 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Mustangman
Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi's or the southern racists? I pretty much think it's a tie. Still, those civil rights issues have been resolved long ago and those days, though regretful, are done.

You lack understanding of the issues which led to the last Civil War. Let's hope your stupidity ends if there is another one. With the ignorance you display here, I have little hope that nothing but totalitarianism is in our future.

33 posted on 07/07/2012 6:03:38 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mustangman
THIS COUNTRY HAS ON IT THE MARK OF CAIN!!!!!
36 posted on 07/07/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Mustangman

I know we’re all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we’d all like to forget about
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Nugent said “it may have been better had the South won the civil war”-—may have.

*snip* If Loewen’s first priority is to unveil what he calls the “hidden history” of sundown towns, his second is to debunk the widely held idea that when the issue is race, the South is always “the scene of the crime,” as James Baldwin famously wrote. The incidence of sundown communities in the South, Loewen reports, was actually far lower than it was in a Midwestern state such as Illinois, in which roughly 70 percent of towns were sundown towns in 1970. “This does not make whites in the traditional South less racist than [those] in . . . other regions of the country,” he suggests. */snip*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001715.html

I am sick and tired of the South being the whipping boy.

“I thought that stuff happened in Florida or Mississippi somewhere, but not here in New York State,” Mayor Mike Bloomberg lashed out in anger this week
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2903402/posts

Whenever anyone wants to mimic a stupid person they generally break into their very best contorted, fake, southern accent.

The South doesn’t have the market on racism, it doesn’t and never did. Racism was/is and remains an American problem, not a regional one.

Slavery needed to end. Though, slavery would have ended without the war and I’m glad it didn’t take the longer route. I just wish it could have happened without the war.

I am sick of bigoted Yankees using the South as their example of everything negative, backwards and embarrassing. It’s time the Northern folk quit looking down their nose shaking a finger—they have plenty to tend in their own gardens.

What may have been better had the South won...taxes would remain in the South and not go to bigoted Northern states who look down their noses at the South and who aren’t Right-to-Work states. We would be free of that cancer.

Unions are destroying this country and they are freaking communist. Mostly the South is right-to-work.


39 posted on 07/07/2012 6:17:39 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Mustangman; raulgomez05; drpix; MrChips; Quickgun; Progov; Psalm 144; trebb; Bryanw92; Lazmataz; ...

> the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty.

I heartily agree.

And, at the risk of alienating our beloved Southern FRiends, I submit that “states rights” was a smokescreen to allow the slave states to continue this abominable practice without federal intervention.

While the Confederacy may have been correct in principle, that the US fedgov had no business intervening, they were grossly in error by continuing in this abomination.

And if the Confederacy HAD won, they simply would have won their independence. The trajectory of the North towards heavy-handed federal government was already set.

It would have been similar to North and South Korea, with a new armed conflict almost inevitable.

Now, if the “free” (non-slave) states had just minded their own business, slavery would have dissipated naturally. The advent of machines like the cotton combine would have obsoleted slavery. Such a machine could do the work of many slaves at a fraction of the cost.

But, what is, is. And we must deal with that.

Unfortunately, the country is not divided geographically, but rather ideologically. Even “red” states are only marginally so, as are “blue” states. There are whole communities, cities, and counties within these states that are predominantly of differing ideologies.

The balkanization is not on geographical boundaries, but almost house-to-house.

The government school system and the “entertainment” industry have done their damage, and continue to do so, and there may be no turning back from slide into the precipice of collectivist, totalitarian tyranny and moral depravity.

I submit that only a mighty Christian Revival can save this nation at this point.


41 posted on 07/07/2012 6:24:51 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Mustangman; All

I think slavery was on its way out before the Civil War began. The institution did get a boost from Eli Whitney’s cotton gin, but the spiritual and social landscape was changing....we MAY have been able to avoid the awful bloodshed.

Yet the war DID happen. The best remedy in the aftermath is to interpret the 14th, 15th, and 16th amendments strictly, and for the purpose intended. Instead, these parts of the Constitution (especially) the 14th) have been used to elasticize power for the Federal government that was never intended by the writers thereof.


46 posted on 07/07/2012 6:36:55 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mustangman

“...but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

I concede the south had many great traditions ruined by the civil war but, the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty. The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we’d all like to forget about.”

Not so fast.

Slavery could have been handled by the north boycotting the south. Great Britain would probably have brought pressure to bear given England’s rejection of slavery. There is a good case that the Civil War ended slavery in 1865 rather than 1885, but at tremendous cost.

And the North had vicious cruelty against blacks as well. My Mom grew up in Indiana. When she was a kid, it was illegal for a black man to be in the county overnight. I asked her what would have happened to a black who stayed, and she replied, “I suspect they would have found his body at the county line the next morning.” The law was changed while she was growing up.

Meanwhile, the Federal government grew in power and the states ability to resist diminished greatly. Looking at black life in many cities, and the effect the federal government has had on them, and a strong case could be made that they face greater evil from government welfare than they did from racism. Roughly 4000 blacks were lynched over a 100 year period. Want to guess how many died violently last year?


52 posted on 07/07/2012 6:44:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: Mustangman

“Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi’s or the southern racists? I pretty much think it’s a tie. “

That was one of the more ignorant statements ever made on FR.

The North had slavery during the Civil War. Slavery was started in the north by a black man enslaving another black man (Anthony Johnson enslaved John Castor). Lincoln didn’t free the slaves, the 13th amendment did. Lincoln never wanted to free any slaves per his first inaugural address 1861: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

I guess your public school propaganda didn’t bother to tell you about those facts. They just taught you to not think and be a liberal yelling racism against the South. Why would the liberal school system do that? Because the South were Republicans and the school system needed Democrats.


56 posted on 07/07/2012 6:48:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: Mustangman

“Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi’s or the southern racists?”

The southern racists are today’s Democrat party.

The same evil behind racism and slavery back then is alive and well today, in different form.

Racism and hatred are interchangeable poisons. And they are chemically identical to self righteousness, envy and resentment. These last three gave us things like Obama, OWS and the recent Supreme Court disaster.


78 posted on 07/07/2012 7:33:27 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Mustangman
I know we're all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but

Current administration?

You don't think your freedoms were not being incrementally stripped prior to this one?

You're not paying attention.

A little edgy but?

That's a nice polite way of putting it.

145 posted on 07/07/2012 12:08:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mustangman

Slavery would have been abolished whatever the outcome of the civil war.


164 posted on 07/07/2012 2:37:17 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Mustangman
The history of southern democrats' racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we'd all like to forget about.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it needed saying...

Also, Nugent made the commennt in the context of the 10th amendment. If you will recall, the issue of state's rights was just a wee bit important to the southern secessionists.

175 posted on 07/08/2012 5:55:17 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: Mustangman

What? The NORTHERN racists were OK?

You South haters make me sick.


183 posted on 07/09/2012 8:22:43 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Mustangman

So, there were only slaves and racists in the South. Please get your facts straight. You are sorely mistaken.


254 posted on 07/21/2012 9:12:35 PM PDT by DIXIEBELLE2012
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