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Ted Nugent: ‘Best’ if South had won Civil War
Seattle Post intelligencer ^ | July 6, 2012 | N/A

Posted on 07/07/2012 4:51:17 AM PDT by raulgomez05

Aging rocker and reality TV personality Ted Nugent is emerging, even ahead of Donald Trump, as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s most embarrassing public supporter.

Nugent is at it again, reacting to the Supreme Court’s ruling upholding the Affordable Care Act by writing in the Rev. Sun Myung Moon’s Washington Times that America would have been better off had the South won the Civil War.

A full Nugent rant, which might be subtitled “Robe Rage”:

“The bottom line is that Chief Justice Roberts’ traitor vote will ensure more monumental spending and wasted taxes and put almost 15 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product under one of the world’s most bureaucratic, ineffective, incompetent and grossly expensive systems ever devised by man: our out-of-control federal government.

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Does Romney agree?
1 posted on 07/07/2012 4:51:22 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: raulgomez05

“Does Romney agree?”
Let him take a close look at his internal polls,he’ll get back with an answer later.


2 posted on 07/07/2012 4:56:43 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: raulgomez05

What the hell does Nugent’s killing an illegal bear in Alaska have to do with the position he took when he stated, “it may have been better had the South won the civil war”. Then again, what does that statement have to do with anything?


3 posted on 07/07/2012 4:59:12 AM PDT by Progov
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To: raulgomez05

I tend to agree with Nugent. And, at this point, a remake would be in order.The entire center section of this country ought to secede.


4 posted on 07/07/2012 5:02:11 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: raulgomez05
Which civil war? The last one? Or the next one?
5 posted on 07/07/2012 5:08:45 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: raulgomez05
I know we're all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

I concede the south had many great traditions ruined by the civil war but, the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty. The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we'd all like to forget about.

Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi's or the southern racists? I pretty much think it's a tie. Still, those civil rights issues have been resolved long ago and those days, though regretful, are done.

In conclusion, let's not get crazy about who was in the moral ‘right’ over the civil war. Facts is facts.

6 posted on 07/07/2012 5:08:45 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: raulgomez05
"Does Romney agree?"

The question is do you agree with the misquote "Nugent: ‘Best’ if South had won Civil War" that you posted?

The actual Nugent quote, found later in the article was:

“Because our legislative, judicial and executive branches of government hold the 10th Amendment in contempt, I’m beginning to wonder if it would have been best had the South won the Civil War.”
A conservative or any honest person can not fail to see the difference. Blind acceptance of liberal distortions and Sol Alinsky propaganda tactics have no place on FR.
7 posted on 07/07/2012 5:11:36 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Quickgun

America was prosperous and vital before the federal government existed, and it will be again after it is gone.


8 posted on 07/07/2012 5:12:33 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Progov

I’m a transplanted Yankee and the past 26 years in the South have me thinking it WOULD (not may) be better today if they had won. Who cares about the bear?


9 posted on 07/07/2012 5:14:21 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: MrChips

Heh. No kidding. If it reaches that point, I hope for relatively peaceful dissolution such as occurred with the Soviet Union.


10 posted on 07/07/2012 5:15:04 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: MrChips

>>Which civil war? The last one? Or the next one?

The last one was a war of independence. The whole “brother against brother” meme was just public school indoctrination where a few isolated cases were elevated to the norm to rewrite history. The next one will be a true civil war where people fight their neighbors in every state in urban combat.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 5:16:45 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: raulgomez05

Problem is, the left redefined the CW1 as about slavery in Joe Public’s mind, when that was the symptom, not the disease. So this won’t be received well. Wish he had phrased it differently, to make his real point ‘unheadlineable’.


12 posted on 07/07/2012 5:18:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: raulgomez05

Hank already wrote that song, Ted...so don’t get too carried away with the idea.


13 posted on 07/07/2012 5:18:55 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: Mustangman
The civil war wasn't about slavery it was about states rights and peoples constitutional right to property.

Specifically, the federal government wanted to take something of great worth from people without compensation, even freaking Kelo vs New London didn't go that far.

Many studies have concluded that slavery would have petered out on it's own even without the civil war.

Our system of government as originally intended died when the South lost, and we are reaping what was sown with the loss to this day.

14 posted on 07/07/2012 5:19:47 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: raulgomez05

Considering Nuge is originally from Michigan, an interesting statement.

A South win would have been better for our Constitution...limited form of government

Also, the so-called Anti-Slavery people were against the spread of slavery because they did not want blacks in the new territories and states....they used “anti-slavery” to cover their own racism. They were no saints. They treated blacks just as bad as Southern plantation owners.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 5:20:10 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: Mustangman
Your myopic view of history shows. The North had slaveowners and it was the shipping interests of the North that imported the slaves. Several slave states were not in the South. New York's killing of blacks during the Civil War is so easily forgotten by the biased. Post Civil War found the Klan in higher number in the Northern States than in the South up until the 1930’s, Indiana with the highest numbers. These are just a few examples, it'd take the entire bandwidth to enumerate all of them. Northern racism still exists because many of the Northerners have not learned to live with the blacks as have Southerners.
16 posted on 07/07/2012 5:25:08 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: TexasFreeper2009

So, what you are saying is that if the south won, slavery would have been abolished?

Sell that somewhere else.


17 posted on 07/07/2012 5:28:41 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The civil war wasn't about slavery it was about states rights and peoples constitutional right to property.

The "state rights" the south was fighting for was the right to own slaves, and the "property" was slaves. I doubt you would have looked at it this way if you were one of those slaves.

Specifically, the federal government wanted to take something of great worth from people without compensation, even freaking Kelo vs New London didn't go that far.

Something? Since when are human beings "things"?

Many studies have concluded that slavery would have petered out on it's own even without the civil war.

Well, the south sure fought a hard fight for something that was going away anyway.

18 posted on 07/07/2012 5:29:19 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: Quickgun

I’m thinking that, given a chance to vote in a fair election, America might be only 20 states - ME, VT, NH, MA, CT, RI, NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, IL, CA, OR, WA, HI, NM, WI, MI, and IA. Losers move out to preferred states.

Mutual defense pact and mutual trade (no teriffs) would keep both sides safe. Otherwise, go your own way.

Oh, and slavery is NOT an isue, so let’s not fight the Civil War again on this thread.

IF SECESSION NOT BE, THEN REVOLUTION MUST.


19 posted on 07/07/2012 5:31:09 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: vetvetdoug

Importation of slaves ended before the civil war. The slave population was big enough to keep itself going.

The agricultural south could not keep up with the industrial north. That would not have changed.

Slavery as an institution would have been the economical thing for he south to do.

It would have lead to another war when half of the slaves started running north.

And when I think about the stereotypical southern politician, I think y’all would be in the same boat a us.


20 posted on 07/07/2012 5:33:37 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: vetvetdoug

“Northern racism still exists because many of the Northerners have not learned to live with the blacks as have Southerners.”

My dad used to say that the Northerner would tell the black man he could go higher, but could not come closer. The Southerner would tell the black man he could come closer, but could not go higher. There is too much truth in those generalizations. Happily they are fading to some extent.

My favorite general of the Civil War is Stonewall Jackson. He defied the federals and their murderous invasion, even as he defied Virginia’s proscription against black literacy. He maintained a clandestine school to teach blacks to read, so they could read the Bible and be saved. A rebel’s rebel.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 5:35:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Vermont Lt
So, what you are saying is that if the south won, slavery would have been abolished? Sell that somewhere else.

No, don't. FR is a place for thinking and rational people. Anyone with half a brain, and a history book, would conclude that world-wide, the western practice of slavery would have died out within a generation. Of course, Africans themselves continue to practice that barbarism.
22 posted on 07/07/2012 5:35:41 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: raulgomez05

Except for that whole slavery thing.


23 posted on 07/07/2012 5:36:59 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Quickgun

There are a lot of states like Maryland and Vermont which you could take one or two counties out of and they’d be perfectly normal red states. If the country ever really does split up, we need to ensure it’s along county lines and not by states.


24 posted on 07/07/2012 5:37:15 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Vermont Lt
Slavery as an institution would have been the economical thing for he south to do.

Actually, economic analysis in the 1850s by Frederick Law Olmsted and others indicated that paying people wages was more economical than slavery, due to increased productivity of wage workers. The thought at the time was that slavery would disappear in just a few decades.

Note also that slavery seemed to be on the way out in the late 1700s -- then Ely Whitney invented the cotton gin and created a huge industry around a new cash crop. The fact is that slavery was an anomaly. Fifty years after the cotton gin it was once again seen as a sloppy way to run an economy. It was limping along and would have withered away without the war.

25 posted on 07/07/2012 5:39:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: varmintman
There are a lot of states like Maryland and Vermont which you could take one or two counties out of and they’d be perfectly normal red states. If the country ever really does split up, we need to ensure it’s along county lines and not by states.

Until a few years ago, I would have thought talk of this country splitting up was nonsense. Now, I don't see how the left and right could ever reconcile, especially with all of the violence the left has unleashed on Conservatives who don't share their "tolerant" views.

26 posted on 07/07/2012 5:40:01 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: Mustangman
I know we're all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

Worse than nuts, we'd have been an English colony in all but name starting from 1865 and ending when Jesus comes back.

27 posted on 07/07/2012 5:46:09 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: ClearCase_guy
The thought at the time was that slavery would disappear in just a few decades.

Slavery would likely have died out by the early 1900's as a result of industrialization, but few probably foresaw that in the 1860's. The south in general sure didn't see it, and fought hard to keep it. The question is, would you have wanted to be a slave in the south during those few decades?

28 posted on 07/07/2012 5:47:03 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Where did the slaves come from? were white men going around beating the bushes of Africa looking for stray black men and women to enslave? ... or were they just prisoners of tribal warfare between blacks who would have simply been executed (as they are today) if the white slave traders hadn't been purchasing them from the black victors of these tribal conflicts?

People simply ignore the facts and believe what they want to believe or are told to believe by the media.

29 posted on 07/07/2012 5:54:22 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: raulgomez05

Ted…drugs are bad, mmkay?


30 posted on 07/07/2012 5:55:51 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: NTHockey
Was thinking more along the lines of deportation or this

All politicians are not above the law

31 posted on 07/07/2012 5:57:17 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: raulgomez05

I’d say, “better” if the South had won, “best” if the War had never taken place. I’ve said before, slavery was moribund, it would have died in the South without the Civil War. For the Freedman, the benefits were tangible, but modest. The cost of the War was enormous. Neither side would have entered the War if they had foreseen the cost.


32 posted on 07/07/2012 5:57:17 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Mustangman
Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi's or the southern racists? I pretty much think it's a tie. Still, those civil rights issues have been resolved long ago and those days, though regretful, are done.

You lack understanding of the issues which led to the last Civil War. Let's hope your stupidity ends if there is another one. With the ignorance you display here, I have little hope that nothing but totalitarianism is in our future.

33 posted on 07/07/2012 6:03:38 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vermont Lt

What I am saying is if the South had won, jerks like you would not live in my country. You would be living in Canada II, me in the CSA.


34 posted on 07/07/2012 6:06:27 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Everything you posted is historically accurate, but I don’t don’t see where anything I posted contradicts that. If you want to call me out with the point that southern white slave traders weren’t the only bad guys in the slave trade, no need, I agree. That didn’t make it right.


35 posted on 07/07/2012 6:06:27 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: Mustangman
THIS COUNTRY HAS ON IT THE MARK OF CAIN!!!!!
36 posted on 07/07/2012 6:07:21 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: varmintman
There are a lot of states like Maryland and Vermont which you could take one or two counties out of and they’d be perfectly normal red states. If the country ever really does split up, we need to ensure it’s along county lines and not by states.

Study the history of the state of West Virginia. What you describe is what was done.

37 posted on 07/07/2012 6:10:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; Mustangman
"Who looks back with more shame and regret: The Nazi's or the southern racists? I pretty much think it's a tie. Still, those civil rights issues have been resolved long ago and those days, though regretful, are done"

Ignoramus! What a despicable thing to say. And . . ."civil rights issues resolved long ago" . . by whom? Johnson and the Great Society? The democrats and their racist programs set back those issues by a century!

38 posted on 07/07/2012 6:14:40 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Mustangman

I know we’re all a little edgy because our freedom is being sucked away from us by the current administration but, to say that it would have been better if the south had won the civil war is nuts.

The history of southern racism following the civil war is also a great shame that we’d all like to forget about
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Nugent said “it may have been better had the South won the civil war”-—may have.

*snip* If Loewen’s first priority is to unveil what he calls the “hidden history” of sundown towns, his second is to debunk the widely held idea that when the issue is race, the South is always “the scene of the crime,” as James Baldwin famously wrote. The incidence of sundown communities in the South, Loewen reports, was actually far lower than it was in a Midwestern state such as Illinois, in which roughly 70 percent of towns were sundown towns in 1970. “This does not make whites in the traditional South less racist than [those] in . . . other regions of the country,” he suggests. */snip*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001715.html

I am sick and tired of the South being the whipping boy.

“I thought that stuff happened in Florida or Mississippi somewhere, but not here in New York State,” Mayor Mike Bloomberg lashed out in anger this week
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2903402/posts

Whenever anyone wants to mimic a stupid person they generally break into their very best contorted, fake, southern accent.

The South doesn’t have the market on racism, it doesn’t and never did. Racism was/is and remains an American problem, not a regional one.

Slavery needed to end. Though, slavery would have ended without the war and I’m glad it didn’t take the longer route. I just wish it could have happened without the war.

I am sick of bigoted Yankees using the South as their example of everything negative, backwards and embarrassing. It’s time the Northern folk quit looking down their nose shaking a finger—they have plenty to tend in their own gardens.

What may have been better had the South won...taxes would remain in the South and not go to bigoted Northern states who look down their noses at the South and who aren’t Right-to-Work states. We would be free of that cancer.

Unions are destroying this country and they are freaking communist. Mostly the South is right-to-work.


39 posted on 07/07/2012 6:17:39 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: raulgomez05

I think Ted Nugent is less embarrassing to Romney than the New Black Panthers are to Obamugabe, those same Black Panthers who talk about killing “whitey” and who put a bounty on the life of George Zimmerman.

Of course the morons in the dying mainstream media don’t give a damn about those elements of Obamugabe’s support.


40 posted on 07/07/2012 6:19:42 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mustangman; raulgomez05; drpix; MrChips; Quickgun; Progov; Psalm 144; trebb; Bryanw92; Lazmataz; ...

> the institution of slavery was an indefensible cruelty.

I heartily agree.

And, at the risk of alienating our beloved Southern FRiends, I submit that “states rights” was a smokescreen to allow the slave states to continue this abominable practice without federal intervention.

While the Confederacy may have been correct in principle, that the US fedgov had no business intervening, they were grossly in error by continuing in this abomination.

And if the Confederacy HAD won, they simply would have won their independence. The trajectory of the North towards heavy-handed federal government was already set.

It would have been similar to North and South Korea, with a new armed conflict almost inevitable.

Now, if the “free” (non-slave) states had just minded their own business, slavery would have dissipated naturally. The advent of machines like the cotton combine would have obsoleted slavery. Such a machine could do the work of many slaves at a fraction of the cost.

But, what is, is. And we must deal with that.

Unfortunately, the country is not divided geographically, but rather ideologically. Even “red” states are only marginally so, as are “blue” states. There are whole communities, cities, and counties within these states that are predominantly of differing ideologies.

The balkanization is not on geographical boundaries, but almost house-to-house.

The government school system and the “entertainment” industry have done their damage, and continue to do so, and there may be no turning back from slide into the precipice of collectivist, totalitarian tyranny and moral depravity.

I submit that only a mighty Christian Revival can save this nation at this point.


41 posted on 07/07/2012 6:24:51 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That’s the biggest crock of bs I’ve ever read. It wasn’t about slavery? The hell it wasn’t. “Property’’? That’s exactly what slaves were,’’ property’’ and the South was fighting to keep it that way..


42 posted on 07/07/2012 6:31:49 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: central_va

Having a bad day huh Reb?


43 posted on 07/07/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Quickgun

I agree with the center point of his comment and would have stated: it would have been better if the states had won the war of northern aggression.


44 posted on 07/07/2012 6:34:33 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Westbrook
Now, if the “free” (non-slave) states had just minded their own business, slavery would have dissipated naturally.

Very likely, but few foresaw that in the 1860's. That's why a war was fought to end it, and why the south fought to keep its states right to own slaves.

BTW, "minding their own business" is what allowed the holocaust to occur.

I submit that only a mighty Christian Revival can save this nation at this point.

I agree.

45 posted on 07/07/2012 6:36:29 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: Mustangman; All

I think slavery was on its way out before the Civil War began. The institution did get a boost from Eli Whitney’s cotton gin, but the spiritual and social landscape was changing....we MAY have been able to avoid the awful bloodshed.

Yet the war DID happen. The best remedy in the aftermath is to interpret the 14th, 15th, and 16th amendments strictly, and for the purpose intended. Instead, these parts of the Constitution (especially) the 14th) have been used to elasticize power for the Federal government that was never intended by the writers thereof.


46 posted on 07/07/2012 6:36:55 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: jmacusa

Taking a break from Federal Boot Licking?


47 posted on 07/07/2012 6:39:27 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jmacusa

Taking a break from Federal Boot Licking?


48 posted on 07/07/2012 6:39:36 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vermont Lt

“Slavery as an institution would have been the economical thing for he south to do.”

Nope. Slavery was expensive. Machinery was cheaper. Machinery was already starting to take hold. Slavery was doomed as an economic institution.


49 posted on 07/07/2012 6:40:55 AM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: raulgomez05

“Does Romney agree?”

I doubt it, but I agree.


50 posted on 07/07/2012 6:41:55 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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