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‘Stand your ground’ laws recall the Wild West
The Southtown Star ^ | April 20, 2012 | Professor David McGrath

Posted on 04/21/2012 10:44:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Got that?
1 posted on 04/21/2012 10:44:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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"The law must be stricken from the books — not only in Florida but also in each of the other dozen or so states where legislators passed it while apparently temporarily insane."

Apparently.

2 posted on 04/21/2012 10:48:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Please...comparing this with nearly 50 year old TV shows? One’s no one has seen ? When now all they show is swishy ‘metrosexuals’. This goon would have us all disarmed and victims. Which is the end game.


3 posted on 04/21/2012 10:55:55 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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An armed society is a polite society. QED. Criminals hate armed citizenry.


4 posted on 04/21/2012 10:58:13 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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Another idiot that disregards all the evidence that Zimmerman was being beaten to death and had no option other than shooting his assailant.

Reading opinions like these, you’d think Zimmerman shot Martin from across the street because he didn’t like his hoodie.


5 posted on 04/21/2012 10:58:44 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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The media is turning this into the “No One Is the Boss of Me” law, the “Kiss My Ass, Jerk” law, but I thought it was about legal issues and lawsuits, and such.

The freepers that speak legalese and can translate it to we street level posters, need to post the language that we need to counter this effort with, what is a sentence or two description of the original purpose of laws saying that we won’t be prosecuted for self defense?


6 posted on 04/21/2012 11:01:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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Only two problems with this allusion. The first is that TV viewers understood that the law was needed in the West of the 19th century — when lawlessness prevailed, when you could not dial 911 and when every man carried a six-shooter or a rifle out in the open. Such circumstances, of course, did not apply to the America that watched westerns in the movie theater or on TV in the 1960s.

David McGrath is an emeritus professor of English at the College of DuPage and author of “The Territory,” a story collection.

He's also an idiot. The places with a lot of violence back in the "wild west days" were the big cities of the East with gun control laws. As Heinlein, a far better writer dead than McGrath is alive, said, "An armed society is a polite society."
7 posted on 04/21/2012 11:04:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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I have news for professor Unicorn; Gunsmoke was a television show.


8 posted on 04/21/2012 11:05:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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For a professor, you are a REAL idiot.

911 in the Gunsmoke era? Gotcha!


9 posted on 04/21/2012 11:09:50 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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Better the Wild West than the present Europe!


10 posted on 04/21/2012 11:10:23 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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I’m an undersized guy, and as such I’d see a lot of people as a real threat should they want to do me harm.


11 posted on 04/21/2012 11:11:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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Where the heck is the barf alert???


12 posted on 04/21/2012 11:13:17 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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“God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal.”


13 posted on 04/21/2012 11:14:31 PM PDT by juno67
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In the movie “Shane,” among the most highly acclaimed westerns of the aforementioned era, Jack Wilson, a kind of neighborhood watch captain hired by cattlemen, and played by Jack Palance,...

This professor is a drooling moron. Palance played a gun for hire. Alan Ladd's character most resembled a modern neighborhood watch captain.

14 posted on 04/21/2012 11:16:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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[[‘Stand your ground’ laws recall the Wild West]]

but apparently getting one’s head smashed to bits on a sidewalk doesn’t ‘recall the wild west’ to that writer-


15 posted on 04/21/2012 11:28:02 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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True, Palance was a stone cold hit man.

Next time you watch the movie, notice Palance getting on his horse in the town scene, when he swings his leg over the saddle at (Shane?) it is a powerful example of an actor using his body to say a page of dialogue.

When he mounts that saddle, it is the biggest body language F***Y*U, that I have ever seen in real life or film..


16 posted on 04/21/2012 11:53:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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“Got that?”

No! I do not have that. I’m so uncertain that if my head is being bashed upon the pavement repeatedly I really Am uncertain!!!


17 posted on 04/22/2012 12:00:59 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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Typical dumbass professor attempting to equate Hollywood entertainment “rules”or “values” with real life. Honestly, this is a primary example of why our educational institutes are churning out ignorant and unemployable young adults at an ever increasing rate.
18 posted on 04/22/2012 12:04:56 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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Lawlessness still prevails in many places. Dialing 911 often only tells the cops where to find your body. The equal force idea is only feasible when both parties are evenly matched physically.

Trayvon Martin was a tall, broad shouldered and muscular MAN, not a little boy, 6 inches taller than George Zimmerman and probably in better shape.

In actual combat situations the "fairness" principle is a load of crap. The only applicable rules are whatever it takes. No one in the "wild West" was expected to submit to being pounded to death by an "unarmed" assailant.

Chicago should keep it's idiots at home.

19 posted on 04/22/2012 12:07:05 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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I don't have to watch it again I can see it in my mind. Palance was a great actor and that was one of his best parts.

The movie Shane is really totally unfit as an analogy for the Zimmerman/Martin incident. There was no law there. Ownership of property was in dispute as was the reality in the west in many places. There was an active dispute, or war, going on and everybody knew who was on what side. Those things made the backdrop and the framework for the whole drama of Shane and none of them exist in the events surrounding Zimmerman/Martin.

I recommend a rubber room some Xanax and a cup of chamomile tea for Prof. McGrath.

20 posted on 04/22/2012 12:09:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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