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To: Lowell1775
The South should have freed the slaves and THEN declared independence as Longstreet says in Killer Angels.

Which was impossible for the rebels after they adopted their constitution.

Article I Section 9(4) - No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

In other words, slavery can never be abolished. Not by the confederate government, not by the individual states.

This constitution was adopted on March 11, 1861. On February 19, 1861 Alexander II abolished serfdom in the Russian Empire - not, I might note, a bastion of progress in the 19th Century. Someone was going in the wrong direction, and it wasn't the Russians.

26 posted on 03/22/2012 3:31:53 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Cheburashka

Howdy Cheburashka,

Re-read Mr. Longstreet’s fictional sequence of steps.....free the slaves THEN declare independence.

Then for kicks, read the book I suggested....The 11 Nations of North America....and the few others it mentions as well like Albion’s Seed.

The slave masters of the deep south were just one of three “nations” that seceded in 1860/1. Each national culture(the Tidewater Elite, parts of the Appalachians, and the Deep Southern) each seceded for its own reasons. Only the slave masters for slavery.

My mothers family in WV fought for the Reb’s purely because they hated meddling Yankees and still do. My father’s Unionist family in WV hid runaway slaves and smuggled in English manufacture from Canada via their hardware business to beat the tariffs.

The families lived 7 miles apart. There are a million similar stories.

Both sides were right and both were wrong. 600,000 died and we are all still struggling with the results.

Histories, like people, are never simple.

Za Rodinu ee svaboda!


37 posted on 03/22/2012 6:01:39 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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Meanwhile, slavery was legal in the North and Lincoln stated he had no desire to end it, so what’s your point?


105 posted on 03/26/2012 12:58:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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