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Sign me up for Anybody But Mitt...

Posted on 03/06/2012 12:24:07 PM PST by dt57

ok, I am going to Post a thread again. I know I said I would wait longer, but I had so much fun the last time, thought I would give it another shot.

These are the reasons I can not make myself vote for Mitt Romney:

1. The election of Supreme Court justices. I do believe that Mitt has shown us in Mass. that he does not have a clue how important this is. He is most probably more dangerous than Mr. Obama because his nominations would be more difficult for Republicans to oppose.

2. He truely is a moderate at best, and will (I know as Newt puts it), manage our decline. It might be better if we stay on the steep decline we are on, because making corrections might be easier.

3. He really does not seem to have a core. It is hard to get a handle on what his passion is other than becoming President. That makes him very dangerous indeed.

4. He would probably lose to Mr. Obama anyway, and really drag down the rest of the ticket.

5. I know I will get roasted for this one but here goes: his faith. Sorry I do know a little about religion, and Mormanism is NOT Christianity. Does someone have to be a Christian to be a good president. Maybe not, but it is very important to me, and it is my vote.

6. I secretly think he is a cyborg.

7. That 'something' that everyone seems to think, but can't seem to articulate. I don't like him, and I really can't figure out exactly why.


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ok, have fun with this one. Maybe Newt will do better today than I fear. Remember, don't take yourself too seriously, I don't.
1 posted on 03/06/2012 12:24:10 PM PST by dt57
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To: dt57

Perhaps you have not seen this:

7 Reasons Why Mitt Romney’s Electability Is A
Myth
Dec 27, 2011 by John Hawkins
Mitt Romney was a moderate governor in Massachusetts with an unimpressive
record of governance. He left office with an approval rating in the thirties and his
signature achievement, Romneycare, was a Hurricane Katrina style disaster for
the state. Since that’s the case, it’s fair to ask what a Republican who’s not
conservative and can’t even carry his own state brings to the table for GOP
primary voters. The answer is always the same: Mitt Romney is supposed to be
“the most electable” candidate. This is a baffling argument because many people
just seem to assume it’s true, despite the plethora of evidence to the contrary.
1) People just don’t like Mitt: The entire GOP primary process so far has
consisted of Republican voters desperately trying to find an alternative to Mitt
Romney. Doesn’t it say something that GOP primary voters have, at one time or
another, preferred Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Newt
Gingrich, and now even Ron Paul (In Iowa) to Mitt Romney?
To some people, this is a plus. They think that if conservatives don’t like Mitt
Romney, that means moderates will like him. This misunderstands how the
process of attracting independent voters works in a presidential race. While it’s
true the swayable moderates don’t want to support a candidate they view as an
extremist, they also don’t just automatically gravitate towards the most
“moderate” candidate. To the contrary, independent voters tend to be moved by
the excitement of the candidate’s base (See John McCain vs. Barack Obama for an
example of how this works). This is how a very conservative candidate like
Ronald Reagan could win landslide victories. He avoided being labeled an
extremist as Goldwater was; yet his supporters were incredibly enthusiastic and
moderates responded to it.
Let’s be perfectly honest: Mitt Romney excites no one except for Mormons,
political consultants, and Jennifer Rubin. To everybody else on the right, Mitt
Romney vs. Barack Obama would be a “lesser of two evils” election where we’d
grudgingly back Mitt because we wouldn’t lose as badly with him in the White
House as we would with Obama. That’s not the sort of thing that gets people fired
up to make phone calls, canvass neighborhoods, or even put up “I heart Mitt”
signs in their yards.
2) He’s a proven political loser: There’s a reason Mitt Romney has been able to
say that he’s “not a career politician.” It’s because he’s not very good at politics.
He lost to Ted Kennedy in 1994. Although he did win the governorship of
Massachusetts in 2002, he did it without cracking 50% of the vote. Worse yet, he
left office as the 48th most popular governor in America and would have lost
if he had run again in 2006. Then, to top that off, he failed to capture the GOP
nomination in 2008. This time around, despite having almost every advantage
over what many people consider to be a weak field of candidates, Romney is still
desperately struggling. Choosing Romney as the GOP nominee after running up
that sort of track record would be like promoting a first baseman hitting .225 in
AAA to the majors.
3) Running weak in the southern states: Barack Obama won North Carolina,
Virginia, and Florida in 2008 and you can be sure that he will be targeting all
three of those states again. This is a problem for Romney because he would be
much less likely than either Gingrich or Perry to carry any of those states.
Moderate northern Republicans have consistently performed poorly in the south
and Romney won’t be any exception. That was certainly the case in 2008 when
both McCain and Huckabee dominated Romney in primaries across the
south. Mitt didn’t win a single primary in a southern state and although he
finished second in Florida, he wasn’t even competitive in North Carolina or
Virginia. Since losing any one of those states could be enough to hand the
election to Obama in a close race, Mitt’s weakness there is no small matter.
4) His advantages disappear in a general election: It’s actually amazing that
Mitt Romney isn’t lapping the whole field by 50 points because he has every
advantage. Mitt has been running for President longer than the other contenders.
He has more money and a better organization than the other candidates. The party
establishment and inside the beltway media are firmly in his corner. That’s why
the other nominees have been absolutely savaged while Romney, like John
McCain before him, has been allowed to skate through the primaries without
receiving serious scrutiny.
Yet, every one of those advantages disappears if he becomes the nominee.
Suddenly Obama will be the more experienced candidate in the race for the
presidency. He will also have more money and a better organization than Mitt.
Moreover, in a general election, the establishment and beltway media will be
aligned against Romney, not for him. Suddenly, Romney will go from getting a
free pass to being public enemy #1 for the entire mainstream media.
If you took all those advantages away from Romney in the GOP primary, he’d be
fighting with Jon Huntsman to stay out of last place. So, what happens when he’s
the nominee and suddenly, all the pillars that have barely kept him propped up in
SECOND place so far are suddenly removed? It may not be pretty.
5) Bain Capital: Mitt Romney became rich working for Bain Capital. This has
been a plus for Romney in the Republican primaries where the grassroots tend to
be dominated by people who love capitalism and the free market. However, in a
year when Obama will be running a populist campaign and OccupyWall Street is
demonizing the “1%,” Mitt Romney will be a TAILOR MADE villain for them.
Did you know that Bain Capital gutted companies and made a lot of money, in
part, by laying off a lot of poor and middle class Americans? Do you know that
Bain Capital got a federal bailout and Mitt Romney made lots of money off of
it?
“The way the company was rescued was with a federal bailout of $10
million,” the ad says. “The rest of us had to absorb the loss … Romney?
He and others made $4 million in this deal. … Mitt Romney: Maybe he’s
just against government when it helps working men and women.”
The facts of the Bain & Co. turnaround are a little more complicated, but a
Boston Globe report from 1994 confirms that Bain saw several million
dollars in loans forgiven by the FDIC, which had taken over Bain’s failed
creditor, the Bank of New England.
Did you know Ted Kennedy beat Romney in 1994 by hammering Mitt
relentlessly on his time at Bain Capital? No wonder. The ads write themselves.
Imagine pictures of dilapidated, long since closed factories. They trot out scruffy
looking workers talking about how bad life has been since Mitt Romney crushed
their dreams and cost them their jobs. Then they show a clip of Mitt making his
$10,000 bet and posing with money in his clothes. All Mitt needs is a monocle
and a sniveling Waylon Smithers type character to follow him around shining his
shoes to make him into the prototypical bad guy the Democrats are trying to
create.
Now, the point of this isn’t to say that what Mitt did at Bain Capital was
dishonorable. It certainly wasn’t. To the contrary, as a conservative, I find his
work in the private sector to be just about the only thing he has going for him.
But, people should realize that in a general election, Mitt’s time at Bain Capital
will probably end up being somewhere between a small asset and a large liability,
depending on which side does a better job of defining it.
6) The Mormon Factor: This is a sensitive topic; so I am going to handle it
much, much more gently than Hollywood and the mainstream media will if Mitt
gets the nomination. Mormons do believe in Jesus Christ, the Mormon Church
does a lot of good work, the ones I’ve met seem to be good people, and two of my
best friends are Mormons. That being said, Mormons are not considered to be a
mainstream Christian religion in large swathes of the country. There will be
Protestants who will have deep reservations about voting a Mormon into the
White House because they’ll be afraid it will help promote what they believe to be
a false religion. There have also been a number of polls that show that significant
numbers of Americans won’t vote for a Mormon as President.
Just look at a couple of the more recent polls and consider how much of an impact
this issue could have in a close election.
The poll found 67 percent of Americans want the president to be Christian
and 52 percent said they consider Mormons to be Christian. Twenty-two
percent of those polled said they don’t think Mormons are Christians
and 26 percent are unsure.
“I do believe they are moral people, but again there is a difference
between being moral and being saved,” Linda Dameron, an evangelical
Republican in Independence, Mo., told the Tribune.
More than 40 percent of Americans would be uncomfortable with a
Mormon as president, according to a new survey that also suggests that
as more white evangelical voters have learned White House hopeful Mitt
Romney is Mormon, the less they like him.
A survey by the Public Religion Research Institute released late Monday
also shows that nearly half of white evangelical Protestant voters — a key
demographic in the Republican primary race— don’t believe that
Mormonism is a Christian faith, and about two-thirds of adults say the
LDS faith is somewhat or very different than their own.
You should also keep in mind that if Mitt Romney gets the nomination,
Hollywood and the mainstream media will conduct a vicious, months’ long hate
campaign against the Mormon Church. They will take every opportunity to make
Mormons look weird, racist, kooky, scary, and different. Would this be a decisive
factor? I’d like to say no, but by the time all is said and done, it’s very easy to see
Romney potentially losing hundreds of thousands of votes across the country
because of his religion.
7) He’s a flip-flopper. Maybe my memory is failing me, but didn’t George Bush
beat John Kerry’s brains in with the “flip flopper” charge back in 2004? So now,
just eight years later, the GOP is going to run someone that even our own side
agrees is a flip-flopper right out of the gate? Romney doesn’t even handle the
charge well. When Brett Baier at Fox pointed out the obvious, Romney’s
response was to get huffy and deny that he was flip flopping, which is kind of like
Lady Gaga denying that she likes to get attention. If Mitt can’t even handle run-ofthe-
mill questions from FOX NEWS about his flip flopping, what makes anyone
think he can deal with the rest of the press in a general election?
There are a lot of issues with trying to run a candidate who doesn’t seem to have
any core principles. It makes it impossible for his supporters to get excited about
him because you can’t fall in love with a weathervane. Even worse, since
politicians tend to be such liars anyway and you know Romney has no firm
beliefs, it’s very easy for everyone to assume the worst. Democrats will feel that
Romney will be a right wing death-beast. Republicans will think that Romney
will screw them over. Independents won’t know what to believe, which will make
the hundreds of millions that Obama will spend on attack ads particularly
effective. Ronald Reagan famously said the GOP needed “a banner of no pale
pastels, but bold colors.” That’s particularly relevant when it comes to Mitt
Romney who has proven to be a pasty grey pile of formless mush


2 posted on 03/06/2012 12:31:31 PM PST by ngat
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To: dt57

Don’t forget universal health care! He designed Romneycare, signed it in to law, and then lobbied Obama to adopt the individual mandate on a national level.

That alone should present any self-respecting conservative from even considering voting for Willard Romney the open socialist.


3 posted on 03/06/2012 12:31:53 PM PST by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: dt57

Everything you said is true. He is a liberal and his mormonism is a deal breaker!


4 posted on 03/06/2012 12:31:56 PM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: dt57

You’re pretty much on target with the Court issue. Romney would be a disaster. I wa sin Mass to witness it and that’s why I’m in TX now.

As to 7., I think you’re mistaking the cyborg thing for the dork gene that he shares with Kerry, Gore, McCain and Dukakis.


5 posted on 03/06/2012 12:35:01 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: Paine in the Neck; dt57
As to 7.,...

Should be 6., of course.

6 posted on 03/06/2012 12:37:36 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Probably not the dork gene, I have that gene myself. This is something radically different. “It is more machine than man really.” - Obi Wann Kanobi


7 posted on 03/06/2012 12:39:58 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: ngat

No, I did not see that post. I concur.


8 posted on 03/06/2012 12:45:01 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57

Everyone should vote how they want. But I would say, on your first point about justices, how well did we do blocking Kagan or Sotomayor? In other words, if Obama is President the justices are guaranteed to be ones you and I don’t want. And look at when Bush nominated Harriet Miers, who was widely seen as too liberal. The party was able to force a mulligan and get Sam Alito, arguably the best judge on the bench today. Point being if you have a Republican as president you may or may not be disappointed, but if Obama is president you are guaranteed to be.


9 posted on 03/06/2012 12:49:42 PM PST by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: All

I find that too many are taking their eye off the ball when it comes to the upcoming election. People need to understand there really is only one goal in the fall. Keep the worst president in the history of our great country from further destroying us by getting another four years.

This is the wrong election to try to send another message that no one will hear by either not voting or voting for some candidate in a fringe party the seems to better meet the conservative ideal. If anyone out there is in the “lets get Uhbamuh elected so he can really screw things up, assuring conservatives win the next 1000 years of elections” crowd, put that thinking aside forever. You do not give a terrible, Phlegmocrat liberal four more years to send some kind of message.

I don’t find myself to be an ardent Romney supporter, but there is no doubt in my mind he will be a much better alternative to having Uhbamuh in office for another four years. And if we elect Romney, the coattails should be long enough to get the Senate back in Republican hands. Of course, there is no guarantee Republicans will not do what they did the last time they had the Presidency and both houses, but can you truly say that would be worse than having Uhbamuh in office again? Uhbamuh in office another four years would be an absolute disaster.

Don’t make this election more complicated than it needs to be. The goal is to vote and see Uhbamuh defeated at the ballot box, period.


10 posted on 03/06/2012 12:51:58 PM PST by WillVoteForFood
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To: Dragonspirit

I hear you, but not sure I agree. Look at the justices that George Bush, Sr. nominated. I look at Mass. and Mitt’s selections are worse than Kagan or Sotomayor, or at least no better. But I will consider you words, I still think Mitt Romney could set the conservative movement back years more than what is happening right now. I personally support Newt, and would vote for Rick Santorum if I have to. Who is the other guy running, I forget.


11 posted on 03/06/2012 12:56:23 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Paine in the Neck

You bring up the issue of Supreme Court appointees.

It is an important issue, but we have to remember that Obama has made it now so that he doesn’t need the Senate to approve of his appointees.

All he has to do one weekend is call the Congress recessed, and he can make them any time he wish’s.

The Senate has already validated that act by not forcing the appointments he made durig their last vacation out of office. It does seem strange that the Congress would give up that power and turn it over to the President, but that is how it stands.


12 posted on 03/06/2012 12:57:47 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Dragonspirit

Romney appointed all liberal judges, only 25% of them were even
republicans at all.


13 posted on 03/06/2012 12:59:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Santorum-Catholic and "I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress" he said))
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To: dt57

Please use your votes today wisely, Freepers. Vote for the leading non Romney in your state!!!

Don’t let the libs and Rinos and pundits win! None of them are our friends.


14 posted on 03/06/2012 12:59:56 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorum 2012 - we need a STEADY conservative President)
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To: WillVoteForFood

I will consider your words...but honestly I am just not there yet. And millions are like me, and yes you have a right to be worried.


15 posted on 03/06/2012 1:01:05 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Dragonspirit
Everyone should vote how they want. But I would say, on your first point about justices, how well did we do blocking Kagan or Sotomayor? In other words, if Obama is President the justices are guaranteed to be ones you and I don’t want. And look at when Bush nominated Harriet Miers, who was widely seen as too liberal. The party was able to force a mulligan and get Sam Alito, arguably the best judge on the bench today. Point being if you have a Republican as president you may or may not be disappointed, but if Obama is president you are guaranteed to be.

There is nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, in Mitt Romney's record that would prove he is a Republican, much less a conservative.

Do you like being in denial?
16 posted on 03/06/2012 1:06:17 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Venturer

Sorry, he can’t do that with Supreme Court justices. No reccess appointment for them.


17 posted on 03/06/2012 1:16:42 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57


NEWT GINGRICH - THE TRUTH,
by Michael Reagan, Sean Hannity, Art Laffer, J.C.Watts, & Rush Limbaugh.

18 posted on 03/06/2012 1:19:52 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: dt57

I was sickened to hear a radio spot today with Jay Seckulow from American Center for Law and Justice endorsing ROMNEY today... he said that he believes mittens will nominate conservative justices to the USSC. I used to respect Jay amd the ACLJ...


19 posted on 03/06/2012 1:26:36 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

Jay is just plain foolish on this one.


20 posted on 03/06/2012 2:32:12 PM PST by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57
I do know a little about religion, and Mormanism is...

You obviously don't know enough about it to spell "MormOnism" correctly.

21 posted on 03/09/2012 5:24:55 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: Reddy
people can check my postings and I am not an admirer of Mormons nor Romney....

but I destest the faker and I will support resolutely whoever gets the pub nod...

Romney might not be much but he'll be a contender and if he's the one, he's the one....

if you vote third party, or don't vote at all, do everyone a favor and don't post and complain for the next 50 yrs....

if we stuck together, we could get this done....if we don't, we'll have Faker again...and he's this close to finishing his job of destroying our country....

if you don't believe me, keep listening to Rush....he's pragmatic and he'll support Romney when all is said and done....

22 posted on 03/14/2012 12:47:25 AM PDT by cherry
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To: dt57

mitt the rino


23 posted on 03/16/2012 4:34:06 PM PDT by G-Man 1 (-- get)
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To: dt57

mitt the rino


24 posted on 03/16/2012 4:34:54 PM PDT by G-Man 1 (-- get)
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