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Dolphins begin talks with Jake Long
Yahoo! Sports ^ | 10 April 2008 | Jason Cole

Posted on 04/10/2008 10:53:08 AM PDT by The Pack Knight

The Miami Dolphins began preliminary talks Tuesday with a representative of Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long on a contract to be the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft, according to two sources close to the discussions. However, Miami’s early move could be used as leverage to put pressure on Long or one of the other top prospects to get a deal done before the draft.

For now, it appears that Long, the massive left tackle, is tops on the team’s list. Long’s agent, Tom Condon, met with multiple members of the team’s staff at the Dolphins training facility in Davie, Fla. Condon also represents Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, but the two sources indicated that the Dolphins broached the subject of a contract with Long, not Ryan.

However, the obvious play for Jake Long could be a ploy by the Dolphins to put pressure on other players, such as Virginia defensive end Chris Long, who many believe the Dolphins are also interested in taking. The Dolphins have done extensive work on both Longs, Ryan and LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. Along with Arkansas running back Darren McFadden, many NFL personnel analysts believe the top five players in the draft are relatively equal in value.

The meeting with Condon confirmed the belief among many NFL executives and player agents that the Dolphins will extend contract offers to as many as four players prior to the start of the draft on April 26. That’s far from a new strategy, but it’s nonetheless intriguing because of the subsequent back-door maneuvering as players, agents and teams figure out who will succeed in the cash grab that goes with each pick.

McFadden is unlikely to get an offer from the Dolphins because the team already has running backs Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.

“(Chris) Long is the safest player in the draft,” one team executive said, echoing comments made by many NFL personnel people. “But with him, you have to ask yourself if you’re going to be happy with a guy who’s probably going to be like (Seattle Seahawks Pro Bowl defensive end) Patrick Kerney. That’s a good pick, but when you have a quarterback there who could change the future of your team, it’s a tough choice.”

Many people feel that the difference between Chris Long, Ryan, Jake Long and Dorsey is not significant. However, the difference in the amount paid to whoever goes No. 1 vs. No. 4 or 5, is significant. For instance, No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell signed a deal with the Oakland Raiders worth $29 million in guaranteed money and another $3 million in easily attainable incentives last year. By contrast, No. 4 overall pick Gaines Adams reportedly received $18.56 million in guarantees from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

One advantage for the Dolphins in making a preemptive offer (teams with the No. 1 overall pick are allowed to negotiate before the draft starts) is that leveraging players against each other can also reduce the chance of a holdout.

Last year, the Raiders did not work out a pre-draft deal with Russell, who eventually held out through training camp and didn’t sign a contract until September. Conversely, in 2006, the Houston Texans were able to sign defensive end Mario Williams on the Friday before the draft after they spent the week negotiating between Williams and running back Reggie Bush.

There was significant incentive for Williams at that time because agent Ben Dogra believed that if Williams didn’t go No. 1, he was going to fall to the New York Jets at No. 4 overall. At the time, such a fall would have cost Williams $8 million in guaranteed money.

Similarly, in 1991, the Dallas Cowboys signed defensive tackle Russell Maryland as the No. 1 overall pick when it negotiated with multiple players before the draft.

As of now, however, no talks have happened, said both agent Marvin Demoff, who represents Chris Long, and agent Joel Segal, who represents Dorsey.

Still, the days leading up to the draft could feature shenanigans. And it all starts with a team now run by a man who’s an expert in drama and suspense.

Dolphins vice president of football operations Bill Parcells has made a career of working angles, such as in December when it was widely reported one morning that he was going to work for the Atlanta Falcons, only to take the Dolphins job by the afternoon. Thus, some end-game work by Parcells and the Dolphins with some of the top players in the draft seems to be a likely play.

“You would be silly to think that Bill Parcells wouldn’t try that,” one veteran agent said. “He’s going to throw that out there and he’s probably going to do it late in the process. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dolphins called on the Wednesday before the draft and told the two or three or four players they’re thinking about, ‘This is what we’re offering, who will take it?’”

Even more intriguing: Exactly where would the top tier prospects prefer to play? Each of the top four teams in this year’s draft is in some serious state of flux, ranging from ownership changes in Miami and with the St. Louis Rams to general dysfunction with the Falcons and Raiders.

“With each one of those teams you have to really ask yourself, who is going to be running the operations long term?” one agent asked, rhetorically. “The Dolphins are in the midst of changing owners. St. Louis is going to change owners in a year or two. Arthur Blank in Atlanta is a wonderful man, but he changes his mind all the time about what he wants to do. Then you have Al Davis in Oakland. Al’s health is obviously an issue, but even if he’s there, you don’t know what’s going to happen. The place is in chaos all the time.”


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Not a bad move, really, whether or not they end up going with him. While their D-Line needs to be a focus, their offense won't go anywhere unless they start with a strong left tackle. With a strong offensive line, there's no telling what Ronnie Brown could accomplish for them, and it'd give them some breathing room to rebuild their passing game.

Either way, they can't afford to have this pick blow up in their face. If they want to avoid what happened with Oakland, they need to prep the contract negotiation field now.
1 posted on 04/10/2008 10:53:08 AM PDT by The Pack Knight
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2 posted on 04/10/2008 10:55:06 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: The Pack Knight
Dolphins begin talks with Jake Long

Wow! Talking dolphins?! ;o)


3 posted on 04/10/2008 10:57:20 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: The Pack Knight
McFadden is unlikely to get an offer from the Dolphins because the team already has running backs Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.

The Lions are unlikely to pick Barry Sanders because they already have James Jones.

4 posted on 04/10/2008 10:58:27 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: The Pack Knight

A top flight Left Tackle will probably be around for 10 years anchoring your line. Another argument for taking Jake Long.


5 posted on 04/10/2008 11:00:30 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Always Right
They're better off trading Ricky for a late round pick or two. They need long-term solutions, and he ain't it.

After that Combine 40 time, any team would be nuts not to at least consider McFadden, no matter who they have. If they can get some picks for Williams and/or Jason Taylor, they should be able to pick McFadden first and still put a good dent in their O- and D-line situations.

McFadden can only do so much himself, though. Without any sort of line, his career could be mighty disappointing.
6 posted on 04/10/2008 11:13:25 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Tallguy
I'm a strong proponent of the offensive line being the key to any team. But when you're looking at Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown, McFadden is awfully enticing. And when you're running down your QB depth chart... Hmmm... Matt Ryan wouldn't hurt your cause either.

But come to think of it, (thinking on the run here) if you're going to destroy a quarterback's career while you attempt to build an offensive line for a few years, there are plenty of average semi-quality QBs out there for much cheaper than a #1 draft pick...

7 posted on 04/10/2008 11:15:27 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: The Pack Knight

I am not really advocating taking McFadden, Jake Long is probably the better pick. I just found the argument about not considering McFadden to be lame. McFadden could be a special back.


8 posted on 04/10/2008 11:19:00 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: The Pack Knight

Damn! When I saw the headline, I thought some Scientist had broken a code for Dolphin language and was now communicating with them!


9 posted on 04/10/2008 11:26:49 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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10 posted on 04/10/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Always Right

I’ll eat my freepin’ shorts if the Dolphins pick McFadden.

They’re in desperate need of a left tackle and d-line.


11 posted on 04/10/2008 11:34:35 AM PDT by Spouting Horn (Terrorism is a tactic. Our battle should be waged against the Shariah and Jihad.)
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To: Hatteras

All things being equal, you take the LT. Let him take his licks learning his craft while playing a cheap journeyman at QB. Bring in your QB next year. This year’s QB class looks a little thin after Ryan.

I don’t know what the rest of the Dolphins O-line looks like. If they are OK you might go with McFadden. A great runner who hits the hole quickly can make a mediocre line look All-Pro.


12 posted on 04/10/2008 11:51:21 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Always Right
Especially considering the short shelf life of most backs, he should get a look. Most backs only have a few prime seasons anymore where they can be a franchise 30-carry guy. Ronnie's still good, but he probably only has a couple more years before he slows down. The most successful teams run two-back systems anyway, now. McFadden could be great. Besides getting the right personnel around him, whoever drafts him will have two big concerns. First, they need to teach him to run lower, because he'll get killed running between the tackles as high as he does in the NFL. Two, they need to make sure he stays out of trouble. The NFL's patience for problem children is wearing mighty thin, and McFadden has his share of issues.

If he stays healthy and keeps his nose clean, though, he's exactly the kind of runner who can have a Hall of Fame career in the NFL. He's a between-the-tackles threat who can run over linebackers and outrun DBs, plus he's fast enough to catch out of the backfield.

You'd be hard pressed to find a team in the NFL that's so stacked at running back that they couldn't use McFadden. So yeah, not considering McFadden would be dumb for anyone, particularly a team like the Dolphins who desperately need someone to base their offense around.
13 posted on 04/10/2008 1:00:06 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Tallguy
I think the QB class is thin with Ryan. I've seen him play in person, and, frankly, I wasn't impressed. Furthermore, it sounds like Ryan played himself out of the top 5 on Pro Day. Unless the Chiefs take him, which seems less likely now, he drops at least to 8, and the Ravens.

After him, there really isn't anyone out there. I had high hopes for Andre Woodson, especially with how few interceptions he threw going through the SEC. Scouts have picked him apart, though, and he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

It's telling that the second QB on most boards is Joe Flacco.
14 posted on 04/10/2008 1:22:14 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: The Pack Knight

I had heard that a lot of analysts were not that high on Ryan — and that was before the combines. The analysts who are favorable say his arm strength is ‘OK’ which to me sounds suspiciously like ‘not pro material’.


15 posted on 04/10/2008 1:25:26 PM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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To: Tallguy
I remember watching him play N.C. State his junior year and thinking, "I can throw harder than that!" I think his stock has been inflated by an ACC that has been exceptionally weak throughout his career.

Sometimes I think too much is made of the Combine, too. When a I-AA guy like Flacco, who couldn't even hold a starting job at Pitt, jumps up purely on the arm strength he showed at the Combine, I start to get visions of Jeff George in my head. Woodson has tumbled because he no-showed the Combine and looked mediocre in the Senior Bowl (after having to learn Mike Martz's offense in a couple weeks). This regardless of the 40 TDs and 11 interceptions he threw in the SEC! I'd like to see what Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco would have done against those defenses.

The Combine can be useful, but when it can bump a player up or down the board by two rounds or more all by itself, that just makes me think NFL scouts are getting lazy. But we already knew that, of course..
16 posted on 04/10/2008 1:50:56 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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17 posted on 04/10/2008 3:57:20 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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