DEFAMATION -- LIBEL AND SLANDER [Florida Law - FReepers Heed]

Florida Bar Association ^

[exmarine]

Watch what they do, not what they say, and what they did was recreate the Roman Republic in America.

What they said had nothing to do with what they did?! hahahahaha. Recreate the roman republic in America? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! There are similarities, but also MANY differences - do I have to spell them out for you? You have already made yourself look so foolish - how can I do better?

[honeygrl]

"It turned into a dictatorship after 500 years. "

With all the new nanny-state laws, I could see this place being a dictatorship in a few hundred years.

[TheAngryClam]

That was sort of where I was going with that.

[TheAngryClam]

Please try.

I love seeing delusion in work.

[exmarine]

What's wrong with greed? The Protestant work ethic is nothing more than greed given divine rationalizations. This country is founded on greed.

You are a victim of your liberal revisionist education. America was corrupted but it was corrupted by secular humanists like you who are trying to rewrite our Constitution and erase God from the public domain (yet, iroinically - you supported a Chrsitian - McClintock!). You want to know why Europeans came here? Read the Mayflower Compact - it clearly says they came here for "ye glory of God and advancement of ye Christian faith" and also to escape the tyranny in Europe. You have read the Mayflower Compact haven't you - it's the first official government document in America.

[honeygrl]

Of course, even though I'm being nice to you here, I reserve the right to be a horrible wretch to you in the future. :) (you know, like I probably was to you on the Terri threads)

[exmarine]

Can you dispute any of the facts I have listed so far? Is insults all you got? You have no credibility left - let the thread speak for itself.

[Modernman]

No, actually, it comes from God. God is the lawgiver, the king and the judge.

God is only the judge of our spirituality. God does not run our government- our laws are created by men, enforced by men and exist for men. God is all well and good, but He does not run my government.

Our goverment was created on judeo-christian principles. I'll grant you that. But so what? We're free to change our government to reflect whatever we desire it to reflect.

[Modernman]

(yet, iroinically - you supported a Chrsitian - McClintock!).

You have me confused with someone else- I don't live in California. If I had, I would have voted for Arnold. I prefer winning over ideological purity.

You have read the Mayflower Compact haven't you - it's the first official government document in America

Sure, but the Mayflower Compact is not a governing document of these United States.

[exmarine]

The Constitution is, and the Constitution secures the rights laid out in the Declaration of Independence ("in order to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men"). The Declaration mentions God 4 times, and the Constitution uses the phrase "year of our Lord" (who is that? - Krishna?). John Adams said that our Constitution was written "for a moral and religious people and is inadequate for the government of any other." What did he mean? Then there's the Northwest Ordnance (1789) - have you read that? It's a Christian document dealing the regulation of the (then) northwest territories. Have you read it? Have you read any of the State Constitutions from the original 13 states - all have God in them - all. In fact, Judge Roy Moore cited Alabama's Constitution in his refusal to remove the 10 commandment display. You can deny history, but once the facts are brought to light, it becomes very very difficult, doesn't it?

I can just keep stating facts, and you can just keep denying them. However, I see no quotes from you or any evidence for your claims.

[exmarine]

God is only the judge of our spirituality. God does not run our government- our laws are created by men, enforced by men and exist for men. God is all well and good, but He does not run my government.

God disagrees with you. For a Chrsitian, is Jesus Lord over ALL of life or just one's spiritual life? hmmm? I think your theology is hopelessly skewed as well as your history. Our founders recognized that God was sovereighn - again, READ THE DECL. OF INDEPENDENCE. - Who is the giver of rights? God NOT man. Who won the revolutionary war? According to the founders, GOD DID! Need quotes? I got em. So, you can believe what you want, but it doesn't jive with the FACTS of history.

[exmarine]

We're free to change our government to reflect whatever we desire it to reflect.

No, you are not. The Constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND. We are a nation of laws not men. LEX REX. Look that up. I will not let you take away my rights - I will fight you.

[Modernman]

I can just keep stating facts, and you can just keep denying them. However, I see no quotes from you or any evidence for your claims.

That's nice. What's your point? All of your statements may be true, but what do you want to do with those statements? This country is still predominantly Christian, but that doesn't mean the rights of non-Christians aren't protected on an equal footing. Many of our laws are based on Judeo-Christian morality (though that morality is mostly universal), but many are not. Religion is your right in the privare sphere, but we've decided to keep religion out of government and vice versa. Not sure where you're going with your argument.

[Modernman]

God disagrees with you. For a Chrsitian, is Jesus Lord over ALL of life or just one's spiritual life? hmmm

Jesus is lord over my spiritual life. My material life doesn't have much to do with Jesus, one way or the other, because most of my material decisions have little do with religion.

Feel free to let God run your life. I'm secure enough in my intelligence to run my own life.

[Modernman]

I will not let you take away my rights - I will fight you.

Nobody wants to take away your rights. Your paranoia is amusing, however.

[honeygrl]

"You have me confused with someone else-"

I think he got you and TheAngryClam confused. I think he was the one who said he lived in Mexifornia.

[exmarine]

Jesus is lord over my spiritual life. My material life doesn't have much to do with Jesus, one way or the other, because most of my material decisions have little do with religion.

You are confused. Religion is not spirituality. Religion is a set of traditions set up by men - Jesus ridiculed the traditions and religiosity of the Pharisees. Christianity is a RELATIONSHIP with God, not a set of rules.

If Jesus is not Lord over all of your life, then He isn't your Lord, becuase all of life is spiritual - all of it. Oh, I forgot - you reject biblical authority - You have your own special personal idea of Christianity that doesn't jive with anything other than your imagination.

Feel free to let God run your life. I'm secure enough in my intelligence to run my own life.

Go ahead and play God and be your own lord, but don't pretend to be a Christian while you do it. You have no authority other than your own for such a statement.

[honeygrl]

"We are a nation of laws not men."

We are a nation of men who make laws. And the bible defends the laws by telling us to follow the laws of the land. I do tend to believe TheAngryClams theory regarding Roman influence though.

[exmarine]

Many of our laws are based on Judeo-Christian morality (though that morality is mostly universal), but many are not.

That's not what you said earlier - you agreed with AngryClam that our laws come from pagan Rome. Have you now changed your position?

Yes, many laws today are not based on Christian morality - they are based on godless humanism which leads to the erosion of freedom and slavery. But it was much different in 1776.

[Modernman]

Go ahead and play God and be your own lord, but don't pretend to be a Christian while you do it.

You are not the arbiter of my Christianity, so I would thank you to keep your snake-handling protestant views on the subject to yourself. You are no more qualified to judge my Christianity than I am to judge yours.