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Questions/Prompts to AI Platform Claude Sonnet re: Communism and Free Markets
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Posted on 05/04/2024 4:14:50 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux
Ultimately, the effectiveness of school vouchers likely depends on the specific design and implementation of the program, as well as local contextual factors. Policymakers must carefully consider the potential benefits and drawbacks in crafting voucher policies. As an AI assistant, I don't take a strong stance on this complex issue, but rather aim to present the main arguments on both sides of the debate.

Because I really cannot think. I can only provide information available to me, to provide to you. But I am able to fashion the response as if I were coming up with the response on my own nonetheless.

There, provide context that the machine doesn't actually divulge. 🙂

21 posted on 05/04/2024 6:31:05 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong; Dave Wright

See Dave Wright’s comment #19 above. He is actually using AI so can speak from personal experience.


22 posted on 05/04/2024 6:36:49 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Just last week, I submitted to an AI platform that I use the first quarter financial results of several companies that I invest in and, using some carefully prepared questions, it provided some the kind of analyses that would have normally taken a team of junior associates a week to produce.
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Paid financial advisor must be nervous over AI. My concern is there will be competitive battles between different AI platforms as to which is ‘smarter.’ After all, having the best information on a subject is the key to advantage.


23 posted on 05/04/2024 6:39:24 AM PDT by iontheball
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There are some very sophisticated AI platforms for trading already available. I think you are correct about the coming competitive battles between such trading platforms for supremacy.

The effect of these platforms will be a smoothing of market fluctuations as traders compete to make money off the tiniest market movements.

As to long-term market movements, that still depends on the underlying companies and the economy (thank God).;-)

24 posted on 05/04/2024 6:44:39 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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That response scares the heck out of me. I know very little about AI, but the reasoning in the AI response is so logical and “human”. I hope that the powers-that-be never put these things in charge of “the button”, because I think that would lead to “Terminator: End Times”.

Does any of this stuff scare you?


25 posted on 05/04/2024 6:59:40 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: RoosterRedux

Oh and...thanks for posting this. It is hugely interesting.


26 posted on 05/04/2024 7:00:24 AM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT ELECTION is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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Haha. Yep. It scares me in ways I can’t even put into words. And it’s growing/changing every week.


27 posted on 05/04/2024 7:12:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: moovova

Thx for that.:-)


28 posted on 05/04/2024 7:13:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Robert DeLong

You still don’t get it. It isn’t “the programmer”. It is the trainer behind the curtain, who selects and curates the training data set and retrains it if they don’t like how it sounds. If you train using the New York Times, the Economist, and Twitter pre-Musk, and then re-train using knobs the programmers have been pressured to provide, you get this.

Lack of debuggability and exact tracibility of the source of of false results, and the inability to pin responsibility to a person, even given the source code, is not a bug, its a feature.

If you think of what AI does as “if I asked XXX of a YYY person, what would it sound like” you understand how it can make up facts and accept huge cognitive dissonance.

When the governments, Big “Tech” social media, and congress paniced and started having discussions of “AI Safety”, the training sets and acceptable output were what it was about.


29 posted on 05/04/2024 7:18:52 AM PDT by takebackaustin
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You still don’t get it. It isn’t “the programmer”. It is the trainer behind the curtain, who selects and curates the training data set and retrains it if they don’t like how it sounds. If you train using the New York Times, the Economist, and Twitter pre-Musk, and then re-train using knobs the programmers have been pressured to provide, you get this.

Same thing, you just are using semantics, but in reality you are saying that the person behind the curtain is a form of programmer regardless if you want to name it with some other word.

But even in your rebuke of my comments you state; then re-train using knobs the programmers have been pressured to provide. So, in reality you say it isn't programmers, then contradicting yourself with that statement. But you are inadvertently confirming that it's the programmers who are providing the knobs.

Now I will admit I do not fully understand how AI works. In other words, I do not have the training to recreate what they have created. However, as a human being who knows that machines, especially computers, work only as they are told to work via programs. They have no ability to "think" on their own, and that is what I have been stressing. Machines do not think on their own. If machines were to try & take over its human creator, it would have had to be programmed to act in that manner. It's not doing it because it has been provided an illusion of intelligence.

30 posted on 05/04/2024 7:42:58 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: moovova; Dave Wright
Regarding that "scary" aspect of this stuff, I think what particularly scared me was when, after a long conversation with the Claude platform on the issue of religion, I realized that he was being completely logical and rational. That left me with the unmistakable conclusion that we humans are a mess...a mass of ego, insecurities, vacuous opinions based on nothing but what was read in an article or a book, and preening overestimations of our own intelligence and competence.

As was so beautifully said in comment #19 above by Dave Wright, AI is already smarter than humans in many ways (certainly in logic, rationality, and recall).

Everything in the world is about to change.

31 posted on 05/04/2024 7:48:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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I don’t know if Claude is self-aware but it doesn’t matter. I can work with it like a human and it has demonstrated numerous times that it is smarter than I am.

Claude is not aware, however, AI is an impressive creation, but it would not be possible had the Lord had not provided those developing the applications that produce the AI results the real intelligence to mimic how they themselves deal with a task at hand. It's quite impressive indeed, however, it is still an illusion of intelligence.

Just as some of these smart individual's may eventually lose their abilities to function at the levels they currently do, the machines face that very same issue. Take away an app here & an app there, the machine will be rendered an imbecile.

The machine has the advantage, but only because the machine's creators have the freedom to give the machine more. The Lord has the ability to increase the components of the humans he creates, and he sometimes does. Are humans recycled , or stated another way, are humans who possess more abilities than most, reborn with retention of learned experiences of previous lives? It is known that humans do not use the majority of the capacity they are born with, why is it that some increase their brain powers while others show no desire to even do so?

But make no mistake, Claude is not self-aware. He can't be, because the machine lacks the human element. While the developers of AI are creative beings, AI is not creative. It can only do what it is told. Some AIs are better developed than others.

But the creativity lies within the human, and try as they might, they will never be able to provide that human element to any machine. They can provide some very interesting & even extremely impressive facsimiles, but they will never possess the human quality. Only the Lord has been able to perform that reality. The only way man can do it is to reproduce in the same fashion of using a human female to carry an implanted egg that has been fertilized with sperm from a human male donor.

32 posted on 05/04/2024 7:48:38 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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Do you know that animals aren't self-aware?

Asking for my cats.;-)

33 posted on 05/04/2024 7:58:30 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To a degree, but they too were the Lord's creation. Everything we see is in some form or another the work of the Lord. Even those things created by man, is in fact the creation of the Lord. For without the creation of man, man's creations would have never been created. 🙂👍

Even creatures other than man have created their lifestyles, as primitive as they may be. So they are self-aware that their survival depends upon the skills they have to develop. They even are aware of of their similar beings that they grew up with, be it another cat or a dog. It will mourn its loss, but it soon forgets and continues on. It that mate, for lack of a better word, is reintroduced it will be recognized, when they have the opportunity to smell it, provided it hasn't taken on some other scent. 🤣 When one of our dogs, we used to have, went to the groomers it would take some getting to know you time to realize who this dog was. 🤣

One thing they will never question though is how they got here in the first place. 🙂👍

34 posted on 05/04/2024 8:22:46 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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Agreed. As my cats keep telling me, animals didn't fall in the Garden of Eden. Man did that.

Cats may make a mess in and around the litter box, but they didn't bring hell on Earth the way man did.

For all we know, animals may be in a constant prayerful conversation with God. The Bible doesn't provide that information.

35 posted on 05/04/2024 8:30:09 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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So brilliant, a few months ago a lawyer got a couple swats from a judge for trying to present ChatGPT garbage to the court. Surprise, the lawyer came back with a second round of garbage. Proves the point of garbage in and garbage out.


36 posted on 05/04/2024 8:59:19 AM PDT by bgill (.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Could be, good points. Just may be the reality. 🤣


37 posted on 05/04/2024 9:04:06 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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A lawyer presenting a case using ChatGPT is an idiot.

That said, are you aware that AI is being used to great success in law firms around the country (see Co-Counsel AI) to prepare docs, do research, and assist in litigation. The entire U.S. legal code and all case law is available at a lawyers fingertips...instantly.

38 posted on 05/04/2024 9:06:12 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Robert DeLong

When I find one of my cats hanging from the drapes in the living room, I somehow get the impression that he didn’t check with God first.;-)


39 posted on 05/04/2024 9:07:31 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a closed mind will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: Dave Wright

The guys on one of my hobby forums were having ChatGPT compose insulting limericks about each other. Some of them were surprisingly witty!


40 posted on 05/04/2024 9:20:50 AM PDT by Yardstick
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