Sheriff: California deputy on leave after violently removing carjacking victim from vehicle; man later died

Agree- from over 30 years of cross country and foreign travel, driving (and flying of course). The greater good of public safety enters into the equation.

The lawyerisms about “pre-existing” condition is typical bull crap. Did he have a seizure disorder? or diabetic or both— and this somehow indicates he would have serum methamphetamines on drug testing to justify the “self treatment” (which, of course, it is NOT)—these are truly irritating.

Far from a “the cops can do not wrong”—seriously understand how much they have to go through. Could not have possibly known the “victim” was a meth-er, but training requires that they keep this as a possibility. The patrol police can not know everything- possible the plates indicated the driver was prior conviction-— long list (who knows?) to the point they could not know if he was one of the carjackers. Indeed.

Best, as a victim, or a “stopee” to not.... run. My point was the mental hampering a meth head would have, and thus— the outcome potential not being very good.

I don’t see your point. He was pulled over, searched, admittidly an idiot in not getting out of the car when asked, but didn’t raise his voice, get threatening, try to run or any such. The cops were professional and respectful.

I fail to see any problem here, except the guy can’t drive worth a hill of beans.

Impairment, FRiend. That IS the point. You see how this could have escalated? Dude even had an ounce of weed and said so— but only after 4 other units came up including DOT. In short— a dumba@@. It could have ended much quicker— except for his reactions and actions, and his mouth. Best proviso, with or without substance- minimal proper consistent answers, as we are all allowed.

Impairment— that is, how much and by what substance- features in both these “outcomes” in the entire picture. Very sorry a carjack victim (who, as a meth head is target number one, an easy one, for carjackers- ie not driving a “beater” 91 chevy or something) was off his head and ran from the cops trying to rescue him- police not knowing at all his ID, other than the plate he had, or “condition” and as such— a “suspect” fleeing. Will wait more info from the inquest.

My point in the entire discussion we’ve had - with forensics background- is that of the impairment of the individual (whether immediate, habituated, legally possessing— whatever- indeed it could have been just enough hooch in the blood to set him off. Probationary status, etc.). It is wrong it happened, and causality is distributed. This is very different from say a wrong house swat team murder of innocents. In TN/WV we have I-81, the main meth highway into/out of DC area- an appalling amount of ancillary crime and needless public harm from hyped up people with no teeth.

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