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Tulsi Gabbard: US needs to 'stop pretending' Saudi Arabia is an ally
The Hill ^ | June 2019

Posted on 06/28/2019 11:16:49 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: granada
The fact that they Saudi and Israel have a level of cooperation should tell you something right there

People need to stop thinking of allies as “friends” and think of them like Trump does. Partners the USA can work with to secure our permanent (note the word permanent) national security interests.

Nuclear nonproliferation

Access to world energy resources -for the countries of the free and developing world world, not just the USA

Freedom of shipping and navigation

Coexistence with Israel

Iran is the better choice for NONE of these interests

41 posted on 06/28/2019 12:35:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change.)
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To: P-Marlowe

The USSR actually criticized Britain and the US for their treatment of Nazi Germany, before the Nazis invaded the Soviet Union.


42 posted on 06/28/2019 12:36:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

As far as I know, China maintains good relationships with Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel.


43 posted on 06/28/2019 12:36:46 PM PDT by granada
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To: P-Marlowe
No we didn’t. That was actually a big mistake. The Soviets were our enemy before, during and after WWII. We didn’t need the USSR. They needed us.

I appreciate and applaud that narrative. Nothing gained with FDR referring to Stalin as 'Uncle Joe.' But clearly the circumstances with the Middle East are a bit more complex...Can't exactly parallel to other examples in history.

44 posted on 06/28/2019 12:36:50 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: granada

This is true re: China and it’s upsetting that Israel’s opened so much of a door to them.


45 posted on 06/28/2019 12:37:28 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: P-Marlowe

You think we could have tied down half the German army in the eastern front and killed about 10 million Nazis without Russia?

The enemy of our enemy was our friend


46 posted on 06/28/2019 12:40:25 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

She’s just another political whore now. Willing to say anything to get elected.


47 posted on 06/28/2019 12:40:32 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: silverleaf

The fact that Qatar and Iran have a level of cooperation,

Regime change in Qatar?

Or ban Al Jazeera?


48 posted on 06/28/2019 12:42:35 PM PDT by granada
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I was just commenting on the myth that the Soviet Union helped us in WWII. If we had delayed going into Europe until 1945, then the Soviet Union would have been crushed and the Nazis would have run out of soldiers before the invasion. We saved the USSR by forcing the Nazis to fight a two front war.

Our two mortal enemies were locked in a fight to the death. We saved one of them.


49 posted on 06/28/2019 12:45:34 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Not in the slightest.


50 posted on 06/28/2019 12:46:28 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (We had entirely enough government in 1789.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Israel is our ally and accepts all the support we give them.

SA is not our friend and uses us.


51 posted on 06/28/2019 12:47:00 PM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: rrrod

Agree!

Its basically a feudal country 200+ filthy rich sub-princes who basically can do what they want to do which includes financing Wahhabi radicalism. There was a diplomatic incident with the Chinese caused by these often renegade sub-princes that gave the Crown Prince the personal political ammo to go to his father and get permission to make changes. Trump is very positive on the Crown Prince and knows he wants to turn Saudi Arabia into a “normal country”. People need to give the Crown Prince time to do what needs to be done. And its likely to not be pretty!

If he fails SA certainly needs to be cut adrift. Anyway the country will probably break apart. And an opportunity for Iran to make hay.


52 posted on 06/28/2019 12:47:23 PM PDT by Reily
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To: silverleaf

The Nazis were killing the Russians by the millions. Eventually they would have both lost the war.

Russia was never our friend.


53 posted on 06/28/2019 12:47:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: P-Marlowe

Good point. Wish the whole world would adopt that narrative!


54 posted on 06/28/2019 12:48:02 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Blurb2350

I see your point and agree.

No matter who the Dem nominee is, they will be a tool of the Deep State.

After Trump leaves, all bets are off.


55 posted on 06/28/2019 12:49:06 PM PDT by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Pompeo warns US could curb security ties with Israel over China relations
https://www.timesofisrael.com/pompeo-warns-us-could-curb-security-ties-with-israel-over-china-relations/


56 posted on 06/28/2019 12:50:09 PM PDT by granada
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

What do you expect them to do when one and a half of the U.S. political parties hate them.


57 posted on 06/28/2019 12:52:28 PM PDT by VietVet876
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To: P-Marlowe

Russian and Germany were not fighting to destroy each other
German was fighting a war of extermination against the Slavs and Russia was fighting to survive.

What makes you think Germany would have withered had it crushed the Eurasian heartland?

Russia is not our mortal enemy
Someday we will need them to take a stand against China

China is the mortal enemy
Completely alien values to those we and Russia share


58 posted on 06/28/2019 12:52:30 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Great nations don’t need “friends”

They need partners with whom they can reach a strategic equilibrium that accommodates the permanent national interests of each

Trump could possibly do this with Russia if the DeepState and globalists would allow it. It seems they never will. Neither Putin nor Trump can be controlled by them. Both leaders are threats to the desired NWO.

Spiritually Russia is far more aligned with Western values than China ever was or ever will be


59 posted on 06/28/2019 12:57:53 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change.)
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To: silverleaf

“...China is the mortal enemy
Completely alien values to those we and Russia share
....”

I think we can co-exist with China & its “alien values”.
We just have to be smart about it.

You want to talk about Alien values look at Islam!

Example:
If a Chinese person wants to talk to you about Taosim. You can laugh at him as you walk away if you are so inclined.
If a Muslim wants to talk to you about Islam, you might not want to laugh as you walk away.


60 posted on 06/28/2019 12:59:40 PM PDT by Reily
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