Posted on 09/25/2018 7:40:30 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
Very well thought-out and stated.
This needs to remain within the formal process so that the Democrats can not use their propaganda machine (the MSM) to freely conduct a personal destruction campaign where the recourse would be to file a libel or slander suit - which, as a Supreme Court Justice, Kavanaugh would have no practical ability to pursue.
The accusers are in great legal danger themselves in a formal process under oath - which is why they dont want to go there. If the process was just conducted on MSM TV, they could lie with impunity and embellish to their hearts content. They could even make up new memories. Under oath, theyre speaking with the Sword of Damocles hanging over their head...with a fraying string.
We WANT Ford to testify. But of course, she never will.
She doesn’t have to prove anything. Kavanagh has to prove he didn’t rape all these women.
Nice one, Junkie.
That is a well presented argument.
Timing is everything.
Letting this drag out, and waste the Democrat’s pre election time is actually a good strategy.
It shows the public that Democrats are real losers trying to repeal the Magna Carta of 1000 years ago.
Democrats obstruct progress is the message.
I trust Trump’s timing.
Let him handle it and vote Republican across the board in November. And tell your friends to vote Red Wave.
#VoteRedWave
VOTE RED WAVE
I don’t find much to disagree with. If nothing else, the last 2 years have been a daily exposition of how FReepers (who I could characterize as conservatives who closely follow politics) disagree with virtually everything that Congress and certain branches of the administration are doing. This leads to much angst and frustration.
Two facts are clear:
1. We all get our information from 3rd party sources at best, whether via the media or those who have ‘sources’. In contrast with members of Congress we are at a disadvantage information-wise. They know things we don’t and which they can’t disclose. This is inevitable in a representative republic.
2. There’s not much we can do about it. If someone can show me a long list of actions that have been prompted by calling or emailing members of Congress I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I think the reality is they are going to do what they’re going to do regardless. So it’s mostly an exercise in futility to think these campaigns are going to make any difference.
As a result, it’s healthier to accept your premise that those who have the most/best information from primary sources and who are also operating “in collusion” with the Administration to get this nomination approved are doing it the most effective way under the circumstances.
For example, despite all the bashing he’s taken, Chuck Grassley has served in public office since 1959 and at the federal level since 1975 and in the Senate since 1981. You don’t get re-elected that many times without having pretty good political horse-sense and the ability to mitigate crises like this. He is also chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee - who exactly knows more than the Senator in that role?
Relax and enjoy the show!
I was skimming this post but it got so good I went back and gave it a better read. That says a lot.
I think you are onto something.
I will add that I believe every Republican senator who was successfully re-elected in 2016 won his or her own state by a larger margin than Trump's victory in those respective states.
Look at Charles Grassley, for heaven's sake. How many other U.S. Senators are there today who were actually around not only for the Clarence Thomas debacle in 1991, but the Robert Bork charade four years before that? Three that immediately come to mind are Grassley, McConnell and Orrin Hatch. Patrick Leahy might be the only Democrat left from 1987.
Lisa Murkowski's FATHER was one of Alaska's senators back in 1987!
Agreed. I’ve been saying Grassley will come out smelling like a rose. Without his delaying things, the world wouldn’t have seen the face of the swamp and how they themselves have proven what Trump has been saying about their behaviors and the lying msm with fake news. They’ve shot themselves in the foot. They’ve overplayed their hand and won’t be able to pull this hooey again.
Kavanaugh will be a saint at the end of this if/when cray-cray Blowsey gives her drunken account with nothing to back up a word of it.
Dianne will be seen as the fool she is.
It’s a win-win for MAGA.
Some good thoughts there. However I don’t buy the statement that the dems want to speed up Kavanaugh’s confirmation though. The accusers don’t have to persuade you or me. All they have to do is cast possible doubt on Kavanaugh that is enough to keep some of the three main Senate RINOs - Collins, Murkowski and Flake - from supporting him. It comes down to those three Senators and nothing else matters.
It will be a red wave Nov. 6.
Rush, FOX and some on FR shouldn’t be hand wringing.
Gotta admit........Grassley's "Ol' Farmer Brown" routine has been very successful for him.
But maybe not for this nominee.
Most of us do not have enough facts or experience to outmaneuver what is probably a world-class political effort by the left.
Both McConnell and Trump have said K will be timely confirmed and that is where my money is at the moment. Even though some of our highest federal offices have been recently compromised, this does not seem the appropriate time to try to out-guess our elected representatives.
I agree with your view of a prompt confirmation and I think that is the path chosen by McConnell, perhaps with Trump's urging.
Perhaps just as important, the security requirements now necessary for the safety of the K family gives the nation an entirely new landscape. All of America should be aware of this real threat of what could easily result in anarchy and even, perhaps, a government overreaction (most particularly if the left is in office). All of which would be prompted by the normal course of our political processes.
It makes a lot of sense. This has turned into a 3d chess match. Glad we've got Trump and Bobby Fischer's ghost working on our strategy :- )
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That's true, but with each passing day that Buzzy Ford doesn't show up to testify despite being given every practical concession and accommodation, they look like they're mentally retarded if they try to hide behind her accusations to withdraw their support of Kavanaugh.
All three of them know damn well that if Brett Kavanaugh isn't qualified to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, then they themselves aren't qualified to clean outhouses for a living.
They have become filters for their networks various political agendas and narratives. They tell you what they want you to hear. You're not informed but indoctrinated instead.
And for what it's worth, I don't think you're nuts. One of the rational, reasoned posters and commenters on the FR site.
I agree with your assessment about the democRATS and the Kavanaugh hearings. And Grassley's management of the process.
Too many people are impatient to have things go "their" way. That's understandable and reflects human nature.
But I don't know how to break it to them that this process is not about them.
That’s a nice Socratic method you used.....stimulating debate in the form of argumentative dialogue among individuals.
Stimulating critical thinking and drawing out ideas and underlying presumptions is always useful.
You have written a well thought out piece. But to me it feels like it was written in a vacuum. Have you not heard of the Democrat’s “resistance movement”? They want to stall everything that President Trump and the Republicans are trying to accomplish. They want to stall this confirmation permanently and they are hoping to take back the Senate so that President Trump will not be able to get another conservative on the Supreme Court after the midterms.
You are overthinking what is going on. This is stonewalling not delaying.
I agree with much of your analysis but not its conclusion. The Democrats will dribble this out as long as they possibly can until Kavanaugh withdraws. I think Grassley has down a great job. Since there is no evidence, I would let both sides testifies and then call for a vote up or down on Friday. Tell everyone they can make up their own minds.
I've heard about it.
You're watching it -- along with the #MeToo movement -- being destroyed before your very eyes.
Did you see Kavanaugh's interview last night? I didn't see it, but plenty of folks posted about it here. It must have been humiliating for him to get on TV and make public admissions about very personal matters like that.
I immediately reached the exact OPPOSITE conclusion than you did.
Brett Kavanaugh will douse himself with gasoline and walk through hell before he ever withdraws.
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