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Twenty years ago today: Windows 98 crashed live on stage with Bill Gates. Let's watch it again...
The Register ^ | Apr 20, 2018 | Richard Speed

Posted on 04/20/2018 12:35:28 PM PDT by dayglored

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To: dayglored

I was on the Win95 dev team as a hardware tester.

At one point we had a build that would allow us to run 5 or 6 virtual machines of Win95 within Win95 but pulled that capability out.

Don’t know why they did but it was cool to watch :)


41 posted on 04/20/2018 7:08:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrat laws and regulations kill people.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
It’s pretty amazing to think that after decades of incompetence, Microsoft still rules the office desktop computer.

It really is.

42 posted on 04/20/2018 7:28:38 PM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: dayglored

I could be remembering wrong but Windows 98 technically did not have the blue screen of death. That happened with NT and later builds based on that version.


43 posted on 04/20/2018 7:35:26 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Thank You Rush

I’ve lost more work from 10 updating than I’ve lost since the PC was invented. I hate it for that reason alone.


44 posted on 04/20/2018 7:42:16 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
In my opinion, it was the greatest OS of all time.

I'd say not. Then again I have a lot of experience with many different operating systems, not just those for PCs.

Let's see. I have supported MVS(IBM mainframes), MPE-V(HP minicomputers), VOS(Stratus minicomputers), Ultrix (DEC-Unix), AIX (IBM Unix), Solaris(Sun Unix), VMS(DEC minicomputers), Linux(various and sundry versions), FTX (Stratus Unix), OS2, and all of the various Windows incarnations. I'm reasonably sure I left some out. Each had it's own strengths and weaknesses. Some were extraordinarily resiliant, for instance, you could pull a motherboard out of a Stratus box running VOS or FTX and the box just kept on running. AIX was an excellent Unix in many ways. VMS was an uptime freight-train. MPE-V was doing some really cool things with networking that I absolutely loved as an administrator. I recall logging into an AIX box once that had 5 years(!!!) worth of uptime when I was asked to take over support of it. I really hated having to patch that box the first time. No version of MS-Windows has ever had any kind of reliability. For quite a while Windows (I think it was XP) had a bug where the system would hang with a BSOD after about 50 days. It was a hard stop, every single time even if the system was doing nothing for that entire time. It took ages for them to even uncover the bug because the systems were generally so unstable anyway. Every version of MS-Windows has been a virus-magnet, and until Windows 7 or so, always seemed to have security as a bolted on afterthought.

If your computer is a toy that you like playing games with, I'm sure it's fine. Some of us want to do actual work with our computers though.

45 posted on 04/20/2018 8:11:04 PM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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Yes, I'm talking to myself. This is a follow-up to my previous comment about MS-Windows crashing after 50 days. Some of you nerds might remember, or at least enjoy it...

This was stolen from this page.

Why Windows 95 and Windows 98 would crash after 49.7 days of uptime

There’s a famous bug in Windows 95 and Windows 98 (now patched) that caused these systems to stop functioning after 49.7 days of uptime. I used to wonder how this happened – in addition to wondering how many Windows 95 / 98 systems could achieve such uptimes to begin with!

Finally, I did a little math and figured out what must be behind this bug. It’s actually quite cute.

First, we need to know about a function called GetTickTime which is part of the Windows API. This function returns a DWORD value representing the number of milliseconds which has elapsed since the system has come up.

What’s a DWORD? A Word on an x86 is 16 bits, so a Double Word is 32 bits. The maximum number expressed in 32 bits is 2 to the power of 32.

2^32 = 4,294,967,296

We’re expressing a number of milliseconds here. How many milliseconds are there in one day?

(milliseconds per second) * (seconds per minute) * (minutes per hour) * (hours per day) = 1000 * 60 * 60 * 24 = 86,400,000.

Finally, we can find out how many days’ worth of milliseconds we can fit in the DWORD:

4,294,967,296 / 86,400,000 = 49.7102696

Voila! After 49.71 days, the number of milliseconds since startup exceeded the maximum value of a DWORD, and rolled to 0 (kind of like the odometer on Al Bundy’s Dodge rolling to 0 after the 999,999,999th mile)

Depending on how you process the return value of GetTickCount(), this may or may not be a problem. Clearly some code in Windows didn’t handle this too well, and Windows hung.

46 posted on 04/20/2018 8:35:23 PM PDT by zeugma (Power without accountability is fertilizer for tyranny.)
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To: bgill
if only it’d play my old 98 and XP games

Many old games available for cheap at GOG.com - downloadable and reformatted to run on Win 7. I still play the old Might & Magic games, Baldur's Gate, Wizardry, Ultima, etc. Not sure they would work on 8 or 10 though. I'm sticking with Win 7 as long as I can.

47 posted on 04/20/2018 8:49:13 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

“Windows XP was the best . . .”

As good as it was, I think Win 2K was better. Before the 6 service packs, it was very fast and the OS only used 35 MEGabytes. After installing the 6th service pack, it used about the same memory as XP and slowed to about the same speed, but it couldn’t do as much. I think MS wanted to cripple it to sell the newer and much shinier XP.


48 posted on 04/20/2018 9:03:30 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: DouglasKC
> I could be remembering wrong but Windows 98 technically did not have the blue screen of death. That happened with NT and later builds based on that version.

Technically you’re correct. The name was attached to the NT crash screen. Prior to that, a DOS-based Windows brought up a Blue Screen with the message about the crash, so after the BSOD became famous, the name was back-ported to the DOS-Windows screen, which is technically what Win98 threw up at COMDEX.

However, in the common parlance and understanding, the BSOD now is applied to both equally.

This is my favorite version:


49 posted on 04/20/2018 9:57:51 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Um, yeah, no. Let’s just say, that was the word passed down in the halls of power of a certain Redmond based software company. I can tell you that some audio hardware manufacturers did this as well.


50 posted on 04/20/2018 10:06:58 PM PDT by Company Man (SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED)
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To: zeugma
> Yes, I'm talking to myself.

Great story, I never knew about that. Mainly because I never had a DOS-based Windows system that managed to accumulate 50 days of uptime.

Windows Server, yes. Win7, yes. Win95/98, not so much.

51 posted on 04/20/2018 10:08:22 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Dalberg-Acton
> think Win 2K was better... I think MS wanted to cripple it to sell the newer and much shinier XP.

Yep, they’ve done that repeatedly. The hardest thing MS has had to do is kill off their successful products to be able to sell the next release.

52 posted on 04/20/2018 10:11:46 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

While studying for my Winnt 4.0 MCSE cert I constructed a home network. I had one corner of a back bedroom that was susceptible to mildew so I located the PC running NT server there and strung Ethernet to the rest of my mockup. It emanated a soft heat that kept the walls dry.

When I moved to my new home I got curious and ran uptime on the server before shutting down. It had been running nonstop for over 4 years. I decided to do a full backup - which was a good idea because the HDD wouldn’t spin up after the move!


53 posted on 04/21/2018 9:31:13 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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Awesome! NT4 was pretty amazing for its time.


54 posted on 04/21/2018 9:33:53 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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