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What If We Had Carpet Bombed Japanese Cities After Pearl Harbor?

Posted on 04/20/2018 9:55:26 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck

Just wondering if that would have put a halt to the Japanese aggression and given them a sense of what they were up against and what we were willing to do. Could it have saved thousands of American lives in the South Pacific? As an alternative history buff I’m curious about the opinions here.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: b29; doolittle; doolittleraid; japan; pearlharbor; wwii
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To: ExpatCanuck

First we had to secure air bases within range of the bombers that were state-of-the-art then. That’s why we couldn’t just bypass all those islands.


21 posted on 04/20/2018 10:02:25 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: BBell

From the secret base...


22 posted on 04/20/2018 10:03:02 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: ExpatCanuck

No. It may have made them consolidate their conquests and dig in quicker. IOW go on the defense.


23 posted on 04/20/2018 10:03:09 AM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: DesertRhino

It’s kinda interesting how fast tech was advancing in the day. It wasn’t long after the war that we could have bombed Japan with bombers launched from the US mainland using b-36’s, with massive bomb loads. And the Japanese fighters couldn’t have touched them.


24 posted on 04/20/2018 10:04:52 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Something like that would take naval and air superiority we had yet to establish. After all, we never DID invade Japan; we MERELY established that sort of naval and air superiority. In the meanwhile, we did engage in the sort of bombing that mere raids afforded us, beginning in April, 1942. Once the B-29s made it feasible, we bombed far more systematically in 1944.


25 posted on 04/20/2018 10:05:39 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ExpatCanuck

Following the Sneak attack by the Japanese Navy the United States didn’t have the capability to mount offensive Strategic Air operations againts the Japanese mainland.

We were lucky to have the People who were willing to risk flying medium bombers off of an aircraft carrier. The planes B-24 Liberators were not designed for carrier use and didn’t have the range or the capability to return to the carrier following their mission.

The U.S. didn’t get the capability until the B-29 was brought online and then we were able to bring the whirlwind to Japan.


26 posted on 04/20/2018 10:06:07 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: Zathras; ExpatCanuck

correct answer


27 posted on 04/20/2018 10:06:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ExpatCanuck

Jap cities were indeed carpet-bombed as the possibilities became realized. An early March 1945 fire bomb attack on Tokyo arguably killed more people than either atomic bomb attacks.


28 posted on 04/20/2018 10:06:31 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: ExpatCanuck

What if FDR has a B-52?


29 posted on 04/20/2018 10:06:55 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: ExpatCanuck

Stupid question. We burned down Toyo and then it took an additional TWO ATOMIC BOMBS to get the Japs to surrender.


30 posted on 04/20/2018 10:07:19 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

We did not have the capability at the time or we would have.......................


31 posted on 04/20/2018 10:07:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Remember all the great work Obama did for the black community?.............. Me neither.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

We had no capability to bomb Japan more heavily than something like the Doolittle Raid before 1944. There was no possibility of “carpet bombing” Japanese cities in 1942. We got there about as fast as we could. The long range of the B-29s was required, plus island airbases in the Marianas, and we did not have those until 1944.

p.s. We couldn’t reasonably fly more Doolittle type raids from carriers because (1) the risk to the carriers was enormous and it was a one-time mission (B-25s couldn’t come back and land on carriers, they had to fly to a land base); (2) after the initial surprise of the Doolittle Raid the Japanese were much better prepared to defend against such raids; (3) flying 16 B-25s at a time, once in a long while, is not any kind of “carpet bombing” — the military significance would have been inconsequential. The Doolittle Raid was great for shaking the Japanese psyche, making them devote more resources to defend their home islands, and probably helping lead their navy into the attempt to take the island of Midway (to complete their arc of island-based surveillance). But a series of Doolittle type raids going forward would have been much too expensive and too risky for too little military return.


32 posted on 04/20/2018 10:07:35 AM PDT by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We had bombed the crap out of Japanese cities prior to dropping the nukes. 100K died in Tokyo from one bombing run with incindiaries.


33 posted on 04/20/2018 10:07:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ExpatCanuck
The US had a bombing campaign against the Japans in early 1945, incendiary in nature using napalm. This was mostly due to ineffective precision strikes. Tokyo did not fare well:


34 posted on 04/20/2018 10:08:14 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: ExpatCanuck

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/b29_10.html


35 posted on 04/20/2018 10:08:48 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dfwgator
We carpet bombed North Vietnam, how did that work out?

It worked out quite well. Eleven days of B-52 raids over North Vietnam in December, 1972 finally brought the North Vietnamese around to signing a peace agreement.

36 posted on 04/20/2018 10:09:13 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: rjsimmon

It was all those wooden houses that burned up.


37 posted on 04/20/2018 10:09:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Yes, operations Linebacker II and Rolling Thunder among others. There were severe restrictions placed on the Air Force as to what and when they could bomb for fear of Soviet/Chinese response. This would not have been the case after Pearl Harbor. Our own logistics to carry this out (as other responses have noted) aside, Russia by then had already been turned on by Germany and China hated the Japanese. Neither Germany nor it’s allies had the logisitical ability to come to Japan’s defense.


38 posted on 04/20/2018 10:10:09 AM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

Impossible.

We had neither the aircraft nor airfields close enough.


39 posted on 04/20/2018 10:10:24 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Fiji Hill

Some peace agreement. Three years later, they marched into Saigon.


40 posted on 04/20/2018 10:11:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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