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Mass Deporting of Dreamers and Other "Illegals" Would Help No One and Hurt Everybody
Janitor's view ^ | March 20, 2018J | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 03/20/2018 3:55:10 PM PDT by kathsua

Mass deportations of Dreamers and other illegal immigrants would be irrational because it would involve substantial economic cost without providing any economic benefit. The closest thing to a benefit the action would provide is that it would provide some happiness to those psychological misfits who are obsessed with obeying laws regardless of the consequences.

"Illegal" immigrants are fully integrated in the economy, The economy is partly dependent on their spending. If an epidemic or a military attack were to kill 10, million Americans the economic impact could be devastating. The deportation of a similar number of people would have the same effect. The money they spend in retail businesses affects the number of employees those businesses can employ. A reduction in consumer spending would force retailers to lay off people. Manufacturers of consumer goods, clothing and highly processed foods would have to cut production because of reduced demand. Layoffs at these firms and by retailers would further reduce demand. Local governments often depend on sales tax revenue that would fall if too many consumers were removed from the city.

Stock traders often over react to events that hurt businesses. They often act like a herd of nervous cattle and stampede if any thing threatens stock prices. When stock prices are high, traders begin to worry that prices are too high and they will jump at the first sign of a price drop. Obviously, traders would sell retail stocks if they knew retail sales would drop even if the anticipated drop would only be a few per cent. Sellers would try to get the best price possible, but if many wanted to sell, there could be a shortage of buyers which would mean a major drop in price.

Government could set up a procedure to determine whether individual immigrants are worthy of being allowed to stay. As with any group of people, some illegal immigrants are having a positive impact on our society and some are having a negative impact. The federal government should encourage those who are having a positive impact to stay to help replace the 10,000 baby boomers who retire every day.

Congress should discourage those who have a negative impact by imposing a mandatory ten year jail sentence on those who come here illegally and engage in violence, theft or sale of drugs before deporting them. Deporting them without a jail sentence would accomplish nothing because they would likely find a way to come back.

Congress could set up a point system for evaluation of immigrants. Those immigrants who are already here can be evaluated more easily than those who are still living in other countries Emphasis should be on families because those adults with families are inclined to want a good place for their families to live A family could earn points by being employed, learning English and participating in religious or civic organizations. Public safety jobs such as military or fire fighting would provide extra points. Children could earn points for the family by doing well in school including participating in extracurricular activities such as sports or music.

Many Americans have long believed that God helps the United States Those politicians who share this view should consider the possibility that God has helped the Dreamers and their families to avoid being caught and deported. Perhaps God has placed the Dreamers here to replace the babies who have been aborted.

Taxpayers have been investing $10,600 per student per year to educate the dreamers so they can eventually replace retiring workers. Deporting Dreamers would throw away that investment.

There is a popular myth that those who don't pay an income tax don't pay taxes. Income tax is only one of the taxes Americans pay. Those who are living in or visiting America pay visible taxes such as sales taxes along with hidden taxes Business owners sometimes point out that businesses don't pay taxes Their customers do The money a business pays in taxes ultimately comes from customers. The money employees pay in taxes also comes from customers Many of the customers who provide the money to cover business and employee taxes are here illegally.


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To: packrat35
They are criminally invading our country with the encouragement and support of the Mexican government and trying to take it over for their own gain, while displacing actual Americans.

Just thought I'd add a bit to your statement!

61 posted on 03/20/2018 5:27:42 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: kathsua

I could deal with that on these conditions:
1. They cannot vote for 7 years and have a U.S. citizenship
2. They not expect welfare
3. They have a place to live
4. They have a job
5. They learn to speak English
They come here and assimilate .. and never “expect” our government to support them.


62 posted on 03/20/2018 5:31:08 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: lizma2
That's not from Alinsky.

Some people say it's from Cloward and Piven.

63 posted on 03/20/2018 5:33:13 PM PDT by x
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To: Chickensoup

Yep , but we are told they are paying their fair share of taxes to cover their costs.


64 posted on 03/20/2018 5:33:25 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: G Larry

Nothing is wrong with e-verify and self-deportation, along with actual real deportation to spearhead it.


65 posted on 03/20/2018 5:34:16 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Fresh Wind

I agree.


66 posted on 03/20/2018 5:34:34 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: papertyger
Yeah, lets screw over the real Americans that buy our products first
67 posted on 03/20/2018 5:36:21 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Howie66
"real Americans", what are you-a racist?
68 posted on 03/20/2018 5:37:52 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: Howie66

I’m stealing that Wetdreamers line!


69 posted on 03/20/2018 5:38:19 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: packrat35

The “We can’t deport them all” is the biggest crock of all. It’s like saying we c can’t catch all murderers so we might as well stop trying to catch em. We don’t have to deport every single illegal before it’s successful. There is always going to be some wild eyed illegal out in the mountains or whatever. Just catch and deport as many as possible and make it hell for them to live here and the problem will take care of itself.


70 posted on 03/20/2018 5:40:27 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: umgud
If these illegals are so valuable to the USA, why weren’t they valuable to their home country?

Bears repeating!!!!

71 posted on 03/20/2018 5:40:56 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: frnewsjunkie
I could deal with that on these conditions: 1. They cannot vote for 7 years and have a U.S. citizenship 2. They not expect welfare 3. They have a place to live 4. They have a job 5. They learn to speak English They come here and assimilate .. and never “expect” our government to support them.

Well in answer to your list, even if that passed into law, the Supreme Court would overrule them all. Hell most of them still can't speak English after living here for over 10 years.

72 posted on 03/20/2018 5:44:14 PM PDT by packrat35 (Pelosi is only on loan to the world from Satan. Hopefully he will soon want his baby killer back)
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To: kathsua
All illegals should be deported. Period. I don't care how cute they are or what sob stories they tell. They have broken the law, and there is no reason to let them ahead of of those who want to enter legally. And it would send the message that some people are above the law.

To be a country, we, not the illegals, should control who is admitted. And we don't need immigrants from countries whose culture are incompatible with ours and who hate us.

73 posted on 03/20/2018 5:44:57 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: kathsua

Bull poop. Kids used to be able to get menial jobs in high school. Now an illegal father of 6 is the fast food guy and sweeps and works the strawberry fields.

Americans sin and drive drunk, but not to the extent socially permissible in Mexico. They drive smashed here every day and they don’t carry insurance.

They don’t care about education in Mexico so who would you want families here that use our schools as day cares and hold back American kids who could be progressing?

Our jails are overcrowded in CA so our debauched CA pols are emptying the jails of “non violent” felons like rapists and molesters. If we didn’t house so many illegals in our jails we would have room to jail our thieves again, even.

Life would be 1000x better without allowing illegals here.


74 posted on 03/20/2018 5:45:36 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: x

It’s not both? Read “Rules For Radicals” 2 decades ago and I remember this sentiment. Back then also read Cloward-Pivens. (I was pregnant. Looked at learning as protecting my kid to be.)

Thought RFR was a reprint of CP a few years later?


75 posted on 03/20/2018 5:47:13 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: packrat35
Yeah, lets screw over the real Americans that buy our products first

That's the price we all need to pay to make sure the shareholders and small business leeches are happy.

76 posted on 03/20/2018 5:50:34 PM PDT by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: kathsua

Straw man.

You don’t have to deport a single one.

Just stop giving them free stuff.

They’ll know what to do.


77 posted on 03/20/2018 6:19:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: kathsua; All

When I hear these amnesty creeps, I wonder what their reaction would be getting their throat slit, mugged, raped, or robbed by an illegal like an MS13 gang member.


78 posted on 03/20/2018 6:24:54 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: packrat35

True.. this would have to be run through the SC before it could be used.. and one more item... that we get the WALL!!


79 posted on 03/20/2018 6:25:21 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: kathsua

The article author is a clown, masquerading as someone with a rational perspective.


80 posted on 03/20/2018 6:26:40 PM PDT by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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