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What Mueller indictments mean for Trump, Democrats — and Facebook
New York Post ^ | February 18, 2018 | By Post Editorial Board

Posted on 02/19/2018 2:16:14 AM PST by saywhatagain

But the filing also knocks the teeth out of the “collusion” claim. And Democrats should get ready to admit that their smears against the president were just that.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: facebook; jamescomey; lisapage; mueller; peterstrzok; robertmueller; robgoldman; russia; trump
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HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

And they (NYP) too fail to quote:

"Facebook vice president of advertising Rob Goldman slammed the media for what he said was misleading coverage of Russia’s meddling in American politics."

Rob Goldman tweeted that most of the coverage of Russian meddling involves their attempt to effect the outcome of the 2016 US election. I have seen all of the Russian ads and can say very definitively that swaying the election was "NOT" the main goal

My bold

But, hey . . . sweeeeeet!

1 posted on 02/19/2018 2:16:14 AM PST by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

If it wasn’t their main goal, then it must’ve been their secondary goal. So what was the main goal and how does it tie in to their secondary goal?


2 posted on 02/19/2018 2:41:48 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
In this first draft, let the POTUS describe the purpose himself:

“If it was the GOAL of Russia to create discord, disruption and chaos within the U.S.,” Trump tweeted, as if there were any question about that in the judgment of his own intelligence services and, indeed, of his own chief of staff, “then, with all of the Committee Hearings, Investigations and Party hatred, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are laughing their asses off in Moscow. Get smart America!”

3 posted on 02/19/2018 2:57:13 AM PST by saywhatagain
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
...the filing also knocks the teeth out of the “collusion” claim. And Democrats should get ready to admit that their smears against the president were just that.
And yet they're doubling down -- because the Florida shootings have bought them a little more time. Bob Casey, Demagogue from Pennsylvania, "warns" that the final report from Mueller shouldn't be issued until after the midterms. Gee, wonder why? Thanks saywhatagain.

4 posted on 02/19/2018 3:02:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Texas Eagle
Second draft: This comes from BusinessInsider review of the Russian newspaper "Dozhd" who interviewed one of the "Internet Research Agency" operatives. He is quoted as follows:

"Our goal wasn't to turn the Americans toward Russia," he added. "Our task was to set Americans against their own government: to provoke unrest and discontent, and to lower Obama's support ratings."

An entire department, the "Department of Provocations," was dedicated to that goal: Its primary objective was to disseminate fake news and sow discord in the West, according to CNN.

read full article here:

http://www.businessinsider.com/former-troll-russia-disinformation-campaign-trump-2017-10

am still looking for the Russian newspaper who broke the story and Mueller apparently copied for the indictments. They explain the purpose best.

5 posted on 02/19/2018 3:11:26 AM PST by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain
Mueller Motorcycle
6 posted on 02/19/2018 3:31:10 AM PST by FrankR (An armed society is a polite society.)
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To: saywhatagain
heheheh. CNN is itself the department of provocation. #FakeNews.

Not that it has much power or sway, just saying what its intentions are.

7 posted on 02/19/2018 3:33:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: saywhatagain

What people don’t seem to understand is that Russia has PR companies that try to sway US and other country elections. But so does Canada, England, and France as well as others. This is nothing new. And its nothing that our friends don’t do. Israel does this in America all the time with people who are citizens of both countries. This is not so much espionage as it is PR. The US has indicted 3 small Russian PR firms. And by the way. The US does this back.


8 posted on 02/19/2018 3:55:53 AM PST by poinq
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To: poinq
All the advocacy activity alleged in the indictment would have been legal if the ads were accurately attributed, and the activity reported following the obscure and arcane US regulations that pertain to 1st amendment activity involving elections.

IOW, the activity wasn't illegal. The crime is failure to disclose and report. And then the only illegal part is where the communications are express advocacy for a candidate.

9 posted on 02/19/2018 4:04:04 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: poinq; Cboldt
If you have time, refer to this article dated June 1 2015, describing International Research Agency.

How is it possible the Clowns In America and Obama officials not know??

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-whistle-blowing-troll-gets-her-day-in-court/27047858.html

10 posted on 02/19/2018 4:07:43 AM PST by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain
Good link. See too The Trolls Who Came In From The Cold, same (2015) era, same source.

The daily assignments -- shown in a document first published on March 11 by independent St. Petersburg newspaper My Region -- are usually drawn directly from pro-Kremlin media and go into sometimes excruciating detail about the message the bloggers and commenters are supposed to relay.

Same tactic used to steer the mass media in the US. Here is the script and a few talking points and lines of argument. Go out and ad lib following the script.

11 posted on 02/19/2018 4:15:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: saywhatagain
One Professional Russian Troll Tells All - March 25, 2015

Also a good read.

RFE/RL: Marat, can you recall the strangest or funniest task that your team was given?

Burkhard: The funniest was when U.S. President Barack Obama chewed gum in India and then spit it out. "You need to write 135 comments about this, and don't be shy about how you express yourself. Write whatever you want, just stick the word Obama in there a lot and then cover it over with profanities." In the assignment, there's always a conclusion you've got to make, it's already written, that Obama is a black monkey who doesn't know anything about culture. You stick him in ancient India and he chews gum there. It's funny in the sense that they're ready to grab onto any little thing. On the other hand, it's not funny. It's absurd and it crosses a line.


12 posted on 02/19/2018 4:26:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
This is too much fun. How about this one

Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America

The adventures of Russian agents like The Ghost of Marius the Giraffe, Gay Turtle, and Ass — exposed for the first time.

Posted on June 3, 2014,.

Buzzfeed of all places:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america?utm_term=.tsQJ1dy1Z#.jegJgD6gW

Excerpt

According to the documents, which are attached to several hundred emails sent to the project's leader, Igor Osadchy, the effort was launched in April and is led by a firm called the Internet Research Agency. It's based in a Saint Petersburg suburb, and the documents say it employs hundreds of people across Russia who promote Putin in comments on Russian blogs.

Osadchy told BuzzFeed he had never worked for the Internet Research Agency and that the extensive documents — including apparent budgeting for his $35,000 salary — were an "unsuccessful provocation." He declined to comment on the content of the leaks. The Kremlin declined to comment. The Internet Research Agency has not commented on the leak.

Definitively proving the authenticity of the documents and their authors' ties to the Kremlin is, by the nature of the subject, not easy. The project's cost, scale, and awkward implementation have led many observers in Russia to doubt, however, that it could have come about in any other way.

"What, you think crazy Russians all learned English en masse and went off to comment on articles?" said Leonid Bershidsky, a media executive and Bloomberg View columnist. "If it looks like Kremlin shit, smells like Kremlin shit, and tastes like Kremlin shit too — then it's Kremlin shit."

Absolutely the Clowns knew!

13 posted on 02/19/2018 4:28:52 AM PST by saywhatagain
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-- Absolutely the Clowns knew! --

Know your competition ... LOL. CIA trolls are all over too. Operation Mockingbird never went away, and of course the mission was expanded to cover social media, comments on news articles, etc.

14 posted on 02/19/2018 4:40:32 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

what a load of BS in the NY Post. what almost all the MSM doesn’t mention is:

16 Feb: Twitter: Rob Goldman(Facebook)
The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election. We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Tump and the election.
https://twitter.com/robjective/status/964680123885613056

indict Christopher Steele for collusion with Clinton/DNC/Russia, faiing to register as a foreign agent, lying to the FBI, etc etc.

enough of the Trump/Russia rubbish.


15 posted on 02/19/2018 4:53:54 AM PST by MAGAthon
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To: saywhatagain
Web brigades - Wikipedia

That'll get us a few more search terms.

The earliest documented allegations of the existence of "web brigades" appear to be in the April 2003 Vestnik Online article "The Virtual Eye of Big Brother" by French journalist Anna Polyanskaya (a former assistant to assassinated Russian politician Galina Starovoitova^[11]) and two other authors, Andrey Krivov and Ivan Lomako.
And Russia while maybe a market leader, does not have a monopoly ...

In 2013, a Freedom House report stated that 22 of 60 countries examined have been using paid pro-government commentators to manipulate online discussions, and that Russia has been at the forefront of this practice for several years, along with China and Bahrain.

16 posted on 02/19/2018 4:55:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: MAGAthon
The press reaction to the indictment is risible - complete omission of scope and scale. Some poster on FR used "pebble in the ocean" to describe the totality. And 55% of that pebble was after the election.

Shocked, shocked to learn there are trolls on the internet.

17 posted on 02/19/2018 4:59:07 AM PST by Cboldt
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Florida Shooting: Russian Bots Flooded the Internet With Propaganda - NewsWeak - 2/16/18

Russian-linked bots flooded Twitter with political propaganda in the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida on Wednesday, according to data from a website tracking Russian activity on the social media site.

The article does not disclose which side of the debate the trolls took. Must be the trolls are pushing anti-gun propaganda, right in line with the rest of the US media.

18 posted on 02/19/2018 5:08:43 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: saywhatagain
Check the date on this one ...

Russian troll factory paid US activists to help fund protests - 17 Oct 2017

RBC said it had identified 118 accounts or groups in Facebook, Instagram and Twitter that were linked to the troll factory, all of which had been blocked in August and September this year as part of the US investigation into Russian electoral meddling. ...

Google has said Russian operatives spent tens of thousands of dollars on targeted ads on YouTube, Google and Gmail, according to reports. Last month, Facebook released a statement saying it had found $100,000 of ad spending on about 3,000 ads that it linked to 470 "inauthentic" accounts that it had linked to Russia. The company later clarified that the ads focused on "divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum".

The company estimated that about 10 million Americans saw the ads, but interestingly also specified that only 44% of the impressions took place before last November's election, making the Russian campaign look more like an attempt to sow general chaos rather than a narrowly focused electoral drive.

"The task wasn't to support Trump," one of the factory's employees told RBC. "We raised social issues and other problems that already existed in the US, and tried to shine as bright a light as possible on them." The employee said that because Clinton was part of the current regime, she was also a target.


19 posted on 02/19/2018 5:16:09 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: saywhatagain

I think we tend to forget US attempts to influence the outcome of foreign elections, most recently Brexit, Israel, Hungary and others. We have a rich history of influencing foreign elections that goes back at least 70 years, not including support to coups and outright assassination attempts.

You’ll also notice that the Mueller indictments avoid any mention of Democrat “collusion” with the Russians...


20 posted on 02/19/2018 5:34:10 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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