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France’s Monstrous Char B1 Tank Ate German Panzers for Breakfast
War is Boring ^ | November 20, 2017 | Sebastien Roblin

Posted on 11/21/2017 6:46:17 AM PST by C19fan

At five o’clock in the morning on May 16, 1940 a company of the 8th Panzer Regiment lay in an ambush position along a rubble-strewn street of the French town of Stonne. The day before, the unfortunate village had changed hands several times as French troops attempted to stem the tide of German armor headed toward the English channel, threatening to trap Allied forces in Belgium.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: b1; char; french; tanks
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The French and British had more and better tanks than the Germans. But they were fighting the last war deploying tanks in the infantry support role.
1 posted on 11/21/2017 6:46:17 AM PST by C19fan
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The French managed to get one counter-attack going with their tanks. They would have hit the Germans hard because both the German tanks and anti-tank guns were too light to stop the French tanks. But the combined-weapons tactics of the Germans were far superior and the German Stuka’s stopped the counter-attacks without them reaching the German armor.


2 posted on 11/21/2017 6:49:32 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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Char B1 Tank
3 posted on 11/21/2017 6:57:35 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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Not sure if it was the same operation but I have read that DeGaulle saw a weakness in the German supply lines and attacked.

It was very near successful but the German soldiers basically won the day by their determination and bravery.


4 posted on 11/21/2017 6:58:40 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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I always loved the 1940 French campaign....and the Polish campaign. Char 1B were captured by the Germans and put to good use because all 37mm/47mm, most 50mm, could NOT penetrate the front or sides.


5 posted on 11/21/2017 7:07:40 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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6 posted on 11/21/2017 7:08:42 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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Germans took the Char’s and turned them into heavy flamethrower tanks...50 or so IIRC. None remain of Flammwagen auf Panzerkampfwagen B-2(f), the Russians melted them. There MIGHT be one in Moscow, though. Bovington has one I know. I think there are only a dozen French B1/bis left.


7 posted on 11/21/2017 7:13:11 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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The “fairy tale” was that, early on, the Germans had great and indestructible tanks. They didn’t. It was their tactics that made them great. They were “crap” compared one-on-one to British and French tanks. It wasn’t until the Germans came up with the Panther and Tiger could they be considered “great” (assuming they wouldn’t break down).


8 posted on 11/21/2017 7:13:26 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
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I remember an interview on “The History Channel”. It was of a German survivor of North Africa. He said that after the British got American Lee and Grant tanks, they were superior to anything the Germans had.

I think he said something about their “sponsons” being superior. I actually don’t know what a sponson is.


9 posted on 11/21/2017 7:19:03 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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The radiator vent was the only real weakness. You take that out- down goes the engine.


10 posted on 11/21/2017 7:20:17 AM PST by miliantnutcase
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The Panzer Mk IV is a solid tank. Just as good as contemporary tanks it fought against.

It also made jagdpanther.


11 posted on 11/21/2017 7:20:57 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I think a sponson is a type of gun turret on ships. I would guess he was trying to say their armaments were superior?


12 posted on 11/21/2017 7:22:10 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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I actually don’t know what a sponson is.

The US could not make a turret large enough for a 75 MM gun so that gun was installed on the side of the take, the sponson.

13 posted on 11/21/2017 7:22:46 AM PST by C19fan
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Interesting. I didn’t know this.


14 posted on 11/21/2017 7:25:11 AM PST by skyman
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Sponson

Sponson:


15 posted on 11/21/2017 7:28:32 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Lloyd Clark’s Blitzkrieg makes a very strong case that French tactical and strategic performance aside, it was the effort of German infantry, the Landsers, that was decisive in the Spring of 1940. The breakthroughs that allowed for the Panzer penetrations, particularly at Sedan were the result of infantry actions.


16 posted on 11/21/2017 7:37:57 AM PST by xkaydet65
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German advantage in armored warfare 1940:

Radio communications and tank commanders in protective hatches. French tanks operated independently and were virtually blind using only periscopes and few radios.

The Brit’s Matilda was a good tank for its day but the Krauts defeated them at Arras when Guderian’s men discovered the 88mm Flak Gun made a superior anti-tank weapon. One shot one kill = some 90 dead Matildas.


17 posted on 11/21/2017 7:39:48 AM PST by TTFlyer
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Clicked the link and read it, got the impression that it was impenetrable and its firepower was superior.

It was also slow, myopic, and very thirsty fuel-wise. German Stukas took out their supply lines - more tanks ran out of gas, broke down and were abandoned than were lost in actual battle.

They fought valiantly but without support they were soon useless. German Armies went around them and marched on to Paris, kind of like a (slightly) mobile version of the Maginot Line.

18 posted on 11/21/2017 7:55:33 AM PST by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: WKUHilltopper

In the early days of Barbarossa, a German general encountered a T-34 tank, and upon inspecting it, said, that if the Russians produced them on an assembly line, Germany would lose the war.


19 posted on 11/21/2017 8:00:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: C19fan

Try them all on “World Of Tanks” ,LOL


20 posted on 11/21/2017 8:05:43 AM PST by butlerweave
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