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Mastodon discovery shakes up understanding of early humans in the New World
Science Daily ^ | 4/26/17 | San Diego Museum of Natural History

Posted on 04/28/2017 2:04:28 AM PDT by Godebert

An Ice Age site in San Diego, Calif., preserves 130,000-year-old bones and teeth of a mastodon that show evidence of modification by early humans. Analysis of these finds dramatically revises the timeline for when humans first reached North America, according to new research.

The fossil remains were discovered by Museum paleontologists during routine paleontological mitigation work at a freeway expansion project site managed by the California Department of Transportation (Caltrans). The bones, tusks, and molars, many of which are sharply broken, were found deeply buried alongside large stones that appeared to have been used as hammers and anvils, making this the oldest in situ, well-documented archaeological site in the Americas.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: ceruttimastodonsite; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; palaeolithic
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To: Godebert

Possibly neanderthals and not later groups of “homo sapiens” arriving from Asia as the last ice age was ebbing.


41 posted on 04/28/2017 6:56:17 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Godebert
Neanderthals In California? Maybe So, Provocative Study Says (Denisovians?)
42 posted on 04/28/2017 7:07:11 AM PDT by blam
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Thanks. Checked it, looks good. Funny thing, comments on Amazon disclose that the same book was also reissued under the title “1493”....


43 posted on 04/28/2017 7:08:23 AM PDT by BilLies (It is not the color, but the culture that degrades....)
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To: Godebert

I read one anthropologist who said that our ideas about a ‘boogie man’ living in the woods/jungle may have its origins in encounters with this fellow, Gigantopithecus.


44 posted on 04/28/2017 7:09:49 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Interesting. They (scientists) have also now concluded that the ‘Hobbit’ species discovered on Flores is likely that of an early h. Habilis or even an a. Africanus rather than a dwarf form of h. Erectus.


45 posted on 04/28/2017 7:30:53 AM PDT by Godebert (CRUZ: Born in a foreign land to a foreign father.)
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To: BilLies

There are two books.
1491 and 1493, the sequel.

1491 is a good read.


46 posted on 04/28/2017 7:31:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: pepsionice

You mean that what is today North America wasn’t a pristine land mass devoid of humans before the migration across the Bering land bridge?! Who woulda thunk...? /s

Fascinating subject and yet another shining example of the idiocy of the very concept of “settled science”. I’ve been doing independent research on this subject for years and what we call “Native Americans” today - and I are one, at least partially - were certainly not the first and only “original” inhabitants of North America.

Many American tribes, including the Paiute, Nez Perce, Navajo, Choctaw and many others, have legends of “white giants” that occupied North America long before their own people. Somehow, like any accounts of the “discovery” of America prior to 1492 (scientists finally - and reluctantly - agree that the Norse actually did come to America around 1,000 AD), such accounts are summarily discounted and all evidence that contradicts “settled science” seems to disappear from the public record.

Like our exploration and understanding of the oceans, our knowledge of the ancient history of the Americas is very, very limited.


47 posted on 04/28/2017 8:00:15 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: Godebert

Obviously, it was Aliens.


48 posted on 04/28/2017 8:07:07 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: Candor7

Yeah. It’s like watching a bunch of third-graders alter their story about why they were in the hall instead of the library.

“Really?, but the boy’s bathroom is the other way.”

“Um, a big kid told us there was a new one at the other end.”


49 posted on 04/28/2017 8:37:44 AM PDT by HeadOn (Don't think so? Watch me. - Donald Trump)
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To: sphinx

Mr. Diamond made a pretty persuasive case if you substitute”influenced” for “caused.”


50 posted on 04/28/2017 8:38:39 AM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: Candor7

Yeah. It’s like watching a bunch of third-graders alter their story about why they were in the hall instead of the library.

“Really?, but the boy’s bathroom is the other way.”

“Um, a big kid told us there was a new one at the other end.”


51 posted on 04/28/2017 8:38:41 AM PDT by HeadOn (Don't think so? Watch me. - Donald Trump)
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To: HeadOn

Oops. A big kid told me it didn’t post the first time...

:-D


52 posted on 04/28/2017 8:40:02 AM PDT by HeadOn (Don't think so? Watch me. - Donald Trump)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Excellent book.


53 posted on 04/28/2017 8:40:17 AM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: Godebert
"Interesting. They (scientists) have also now concluded that the ‘Hobbit’ species discovered on Flores is likely that of an early h. Habilis or even an a. Africanus rather than a dwarf form of h. Erectus."

Yup.

That was my original belief.

54 posted on 04/28/2017 9:04:25 AM PDT by blam
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To: Godebert

I’m inclined to take this with a grain of salt. So far they have some bones from 130,000 years ago which were broken in a certain way, which they say could only have been done by humans...but if there were a bunch of featherless bipeds running around North America at that time, surely more direct evidence will turn up...like bones with their DNA in it.


55 posted on 04/28/2017 10:14:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: mountn man

We went there once. the kids loved it!


56 posted on 04/28/2017 11:45:39 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: Covenantor
One of the tests was to hike/walk 26 miles in 8 hours or less.

My personal best at that distance + 2/10ths was 2:48:45. Never tried to walk it, though!

57 posted on 04/28/2017 12:56:18 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: sphinx

“So: why is an earlier human presence in the Americas a touchy subject? “

If whomever these earlier humans were are not the genetic ancestors of the current “native Americans” it would weaken their claim to being the original indigenous peoples of the New World. Or so I’ve heard.


58 posted on 04/28/2017 1:16:54 PM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: Godebert

"A mile a day? Really?"
59 posted on 04/28/2017 1:35:05 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Deportation mayhem is just birthing pains for a new America.)
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To: blam
Gigantopithecus probably had the dexterity and coordination of an eight foot tall basketball center.


60 posted on 04/28/2017 1:41:33 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Deportation mayhem is just birthing pains for a new America.)
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