Posted on 02/24/2017 9:06:21 AM PST by nickcarraway
It was.’t a problem for these officers at all. They high fived and went home. They probably be promoted. For the 86 year old man who lived there, it was one hell of a problem. It waas the old man that had the problem. Not the police.
Amen to that.
And I think that they broke in. If you want to enjoy a long happy life today, My FRiend, stay far away from the police. These are not the police I grew up with. Back then they were one of us. They treated us as equals and respect and we treated them as equals and returned the respect. But it is different today, so the best thing to do is to avoid contact with them.
I agree, but the chances of it happening are slim too none.
Would you like to place a bet on that?
What about the poor soul that was killed. His wife is now a widow and old in age with no one to take care of her. And she will probably have to sell the house, because it will probably be too hard emotionally for her to live where her husband had his life unnecessarily taken. That is where my sympathies lie. But each to his own.
Nully, If you want to live a long happy life , stay far, far away from the police. This is another example of that.
I don’t bet, but you could be right.The old gentleman could have been in such bad condition health wise that they did him a favor. Normally, one being killed is a problem for one. And on second thought, you are right. But as far as the police go, from what I read in the past when I read the news,The State Attorney will declare that according to the facts of our investigation, the officers followed departmental policy, therefore, no charges will be filed against them. Same goes for when I used to listen to the news of similar situations. If the old man had been politically connected, charges may be filed. If the old man had been a member of one of the protected classes, charges will definitely be filed.But since, from what is known, the old man was just an ordinary joe who on If any thing did his job and did his duties,if anything happens, it would be a miracle. It could happen. Perhaps they have been looking for a way to get rid of the cop for one reason or another.
Avoiding contact is all well and good, but they will use their "authority" to force contact on you.
My bet is that the cops are in trouble, big trouble in fact. The truly damning fact being how they brushed off the person that knew him and offered to help.
Understood. We know now that most Big City police do not like for their slaves to be armed and able to protect themselves. When they cannot stop or prevent the serf from arming or protecting themselves, they make an example[ usually as in this case, a dead one] said serf. Hoping to intimidate, frighten, discourage, and or otherwise convince the serfs from attempting to defend their selves. At one time long age in the past the terms serf and slaves would have been replaced with the term Citizen.
In fact, recently Grady Judd the Sheriff of Polk County, Florida advised the Citizens of his County to obtain a firearm in order to defend themselves because,”We can’t be everywhere at once”
I hope that you are correct. But I will wait until I see it happen before I believe it. They should be required to stand trial for Second Degree Murder, though I would prefer First Degree Murder.
I seriously doubt that they went their with a preconceived plan to kill him, which is what 1st degree murder is. This was just very bad judgement.
Why exactly do you hate law enforcement so vehemently?
I don’t hate law enforcement. Honest Officers such as Grady Judd of Polk County, Florida and David Clark I respect and admire. Crooked cops that violate the oath they swore and mistreat people because they can, I do not have any use for, but you can have all of them you want. The Officers that I grew up with were all respected and treated as equals. They, in turn respected us and treated us as equals. When a bad apple got in, they got rid of them. “Law Enforcement” is an abstract term. The good Officers in my neighborhood get along good. I show them respect. They show me respect. The ones that say are assholes, keep away from them. I do that.
But you can have all the crooked ones, the ones that enjoy abusing their badges and violating the oath they swore, the ones that like to beat people up and abuse them. But each to theiir own, I guess.
For the sake of argument thought let's assume they are crooked. What were they hoping to gain by killing this 86 year old man?
I think they are just ill-equipped, psychologically, to be good cops. That may not even extend to all of them present. I can't really remember, but if I remember correctly only one policeman fired his weapon. If I further remember correctly, he was the one in charge, or at least assumed that role.
The real bottom line here though is the fact that someone who knew the occupants was present. They could have allowed hi to call the residence to get someone on the phone. At the very least they should have gotten a profile from that person to know some very relevant facts, such as the hard of hearing factor of probably both the husband & wife. Their age meaning their senses of sight & hearing were most likely not very good. If you give verbal commands to someone who can't see good, and doesn't recognize you to be law enforcement in the dark, and hearing bad that your commands are not clearly heard is a recipe for disaster,
One must also look at this from the perspective of the police. When someone you are giving verbal commands to does not obey, then your defenses shoot way up, and you assume your life in now in real jeopardy.
There are so many things we do not know, but they will come out in trial.
I think the final verdict could be a charge of manslaughter - the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder. It might end up being the correct outcome, because I seriously doubt that any of them went in with the intention of killing anyone.
The old lady will receive a handsome sum, one or more police will pay by imprisonment, loss of income & career, and separation from their families. It may even cause the disintegration of their family, but most of all knowing you killed an innocent person. There will be no happy ending for any of the people involved.
For those very reasons, I would never be a policeman. One wrong move can cost so many so much, even when the best of outcomes was the one desired. For me at least, had they allowed the person who knew the couple to intervene, it would have had a higher chance of a positive outcome.
I still do not think that there will be a trial.What makes you think so? Have they been arrested? Have they been suspended without pay? Have they been fired? Has a Grand Jury been convened? Have they been indicted? I do not think that I mentioned that these were crooks. If I did, I was in error and out of line. But this is not the first time something like this has happened and it won’t be the last. Just the police doing their job. Until it happens to you[collectively] and your [collectively] family. Then it is a whole new ball game.
I don’t hate law enforcement. Honest Officers such as Grady Judd of Polk County, Florida and David Clark I respect and admire. Crooked cops that violate the oath they swore and mistreat people because they can, I do not have any use for, but you can have all of them you want.
It could be possible that I misunderstood your intent with your statement above, but since you want them preferably charged with 1st degree murder, or at least 2nd degree murder, I may have assumed you were referring to these cops a being the crooked kinds of cops you despise.
Even cops hate dirty cops, because they reflect badly on all cops. The natural instinct is to not believe your fellow coworker is a dirty cop, because they are all under the gun with regards to second guessing of the actions taken in split second assessments that could mean the difference of them being killed or not being killed.
No they have not been arrested as of yet. According to the article this happened in September of 2016, and:
We asked the sheriff’s department numerous times to answer questions about this shooting or to explain their policies and procedures and why they apparently weren’t followed.
But the sheriff’s department refused comment citing what they say is still an active investigation.
They also would not let us speak with Sergeant Douglas Ulrich whom they identified as firing the fatal shots.
That doesn't mean charges will not be brought, even though it seems like they are dragging their feet. It could even be the DA who is the holdup concerning one or more arrests in this case. Being California is why I believe there will eventually be an arrest made.
Evidently your a reporter.
P.S. I despise the press, especially the liberal MSM. They are wrong too. No, I do not despise you, just disagree with you on this point.
I was just wondering the way you twisted [to me] my words. I never mentioned the guys that killed the old man, other to than saying nothing would happen to them. But I might not have been clear.
Have a blessed Day.
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