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Scholars team up to dispel 400-year-old myths, assumptions about US
Stripes ^ | 25 December 2016 | WILLIAM J. KOLE

Posted on 12/26/2016 11:31:54 AM PST by Lorianne

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To: Jan_Sobieski
I guarantee you that if the New World had not been colonized by Europeans it would've been colonized by the Mesoamerican tribes. It is probable that either the Aztecs or another Mexican empire would have expanded north killing, raping, and performing blood sacrifices on North American tribes. The Aztecs were as evil and bloodthirsty is any people that ever crawled across the face of this planet.

Even today Mexico is a bloodthirsty shit-hole.

21 posted on 12/26/2016 12:34:41 PM PST by WMarshal ( Schadenfreude, it feels so good!)
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To: Lorianne

The small pox epidemic in North America preceded the pilgrims but about 100 years.


22 posted on 12/26/2016 12:37:24 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: Migraine

The early explorers noticed the Indians on the East coast took the hair and scalps of their victims as war trophies.
Digs have found skulls with scalping scars as far back as the 1100 AD on the High Plains.
Then there was that proof of cannibalism in the South West that the Indians refused to accept, so they blamed it on a roving band of Aztecs invading the area.
Many years ago OETA Oklahoma Educational TV had a program on how movies perceived the American Indian. IMAGES OF INDIANS. In it, one of the hosts claimed Indians NEVER scalped or tortured people. Later digs proved him wrong, wrong very wrong!


23 posted on 12/26/2016 12:41:13 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: loveliberty2

***did a masterful job in removing from the shelves of libraries and of schools the books that contained the early histories.***

Books everyone needs to read on the Indian wars...
MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS by J Dunn Jr.
ON THE BORDER WITH CROOK by Burke
THE INDIAN WAR OF 1864 by Lt Ware
MY LIFE ON THE PLAINS by Custer
THE ROMANCE AND TRAGEDY OF PIONEER LIFE by AUGUSTUS LYNCH MASON
TOUGH TRIP THROUGH PARADISE by Andrew Garcia
and any book written by mountain men who lived with the Indians such as Osbourne Russell and John Y Nelson.


24 posted on 12/26/2016 12:49:41 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Everything you said is spot on. I’ve been a student of anthropology, especially of the American Indians, for 50 years, plus I’ve lived among them, and their predecessors’ ruins, going back even before that.


25 posted on 12/26/2016 12:49:53 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great- -- until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Vermont Lt

There there was more than one smallpox epidemic that swept the New World ... and they affected Europeans as well.

More Europeans survived smallpox than did natives but that was because many had already been exposed to it (and survived) in previous epidemics.


26 posted on 12/26/2016 1:30:37 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Salem, MA was NOT the first ‘witch’ trial in the Colonies.
Alse (Alice) Young, of Windsor, CT, was hanged in 1640.


27 posted on 12/26/2016 1:32:48 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Lorianne
All this ex post facto, anachronistic judgmentalism engaged in by these sleezo's like Doherty has got to stop. It is a mark, a sign, of an irrational mind. A pox on all of them.
28 posted on 12/26/2016 1:33:31 PM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Lorianne

All ‘peoples’ killed. That is the nature of it regardless of location.


29 posted on 12/26/2016 1:34:15 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Montana_Sam

I agree. I wish I knew how best to fight against it.
It’s illogical emotional claptrap.

Yes, a ton of bad stuff (by today’s standards) happened in the past. It is part of history and integral to how we got to where we are today. People 200 years from now will be judging us as backwards (or worse) by their standards. But we are just another part of history.


30 posted on 12/26/2016 1:40:51 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Thank you! I get very tired also of the Indians being portrayed as some kind of girl scout group, loving nature and keeping the earth clean until white man came along and spoiled everything.

When the Catholic Church determines a person for sainthood they have to study and document every detail of their life. Hence reading Saint biographies is a great way to get your hands on an authentic history book. It will tell you the traditions, cultural habits and lifestyle of the people the saints were involved with at that period of history. For a real intimate look at the lifestyle of Native American Indians try picking up a biography of Saint Isaac Jogues who was martyred by the Indians. They pulled his skin off inch by inch over a slow period of time These facts are documented years ago as his case for sainthood was being determined. An eye-opening look at history and putting things in their proper perspective. Kind of changes the idea that the left tries to portray them as a bunch of peace-loving nature-loving people who sat around a camp fire singing Kumbaya.

I’m tired of the meme from the left that white people stole the land from the Indians. Scientific evidence has determined at the American Indian shares the DNA of the Chinese and Mongolian race so it looks like somebody came across the borders and you might call them immigrants or squatters, but not the original land owners with a deed to America!


31 posted on 12/26/2016 1:41:24 PM PST by Just a little eagle
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To: Tennessee Nana

One of the most prevalent misconceptions is that the pilgrims were puritans. The pilgrims were seperationists who ran from the Church of England, while the puritans tried to ‘purify’ the church of catholic practices from within.


32 posted on 12/26/2016 1:46:29 PM PST by chb
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To: MrEdd

And enslavement of their enemies, ritualistic sacrifice, etc


33 posted on 12/26/2016 1:51:43 PM PST by Smellin Salt
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To: Lorianne

“Injuns!!!!”


34 posted on 12/26/2016 1:52:16 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Lorianne

Supposedly much disease had already run through the local Indians which made the area less populated and therefore caused less friction with the Plymouth Settlers.


35 posted on 12/26/2016 2:02:39 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Lorianne

My direct ancestor George Ricker (Ricart) and his brother Maturin were killed in 1706 by Natives.

https://www.accessgenealogy.com/genealogy/descendants-george-maturin-ricker.htm


36 posted on 12/26/2016 2:21:39 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Lorianne

The Yankees distort history too as Jamestown was the first permanent English settlement in spite of the Powhatans.
http://historicjamestowne.org/history/history-of-jamestown/


37 posted on 12/26/2016 2:54:54 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: chb

Most of the people on the Mayflower had been attending the Leiden Church in Holland...(Reformed Dutch/Walloon/Huguenot)

there were also a few Huguenots amongst the Mayflower group..

The people at the Leiden church knew some of the passengers on the New Netherland, the ship that went to NYC in 1623/24..

That’s partly where Jesse de Forest got his idea to go to Virginia..apply to the English ambassador for permission...however after getting turned down they went to the new Dutch Colony of “New Netherland” (named for that 1st ship)

I had ancestors on that ship too...Phillip du Trieux..


38 posted on 12/26/2016 2:59:44 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Lorianne

I hope they cover the massive amount of assimilation of most Native Americans into the main society. They converted to Chritianity. They intermarried with Christians.

This came in several waves. One wave was fur traders who started in Western NY and PA. As those areas were settled, the fur traders moved ever westward. Those fur traders were extremely friendly with the Indians. They intermarried with the Indians. They were Christian without being aggressive missionaries.

Then there were the missionaries, both Catholic and Protestant. There were many other types of people in those early days.

Alexis DeTouqueville best described the result of those early years that produced the American Experiment.


39 posted on 12/26/2016 3:00:29 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: Migraine

Henry Hudson and the Halve Moon in 1607...he got all the way to Albany...


40 posted on 12/26/2016 3:01:09 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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