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Fires set by Ice Age hunters destroyed forests throughout Europe
Science Daily ^ | 12/1/2016 | Leiden University

Posted on 12/06/2016 10:00:44 AM PST by JimSEA

Large-scale forest fires started by prehistoric hunter-gatherers are probably the reason why Europe is not more densely forested. The finding -- by an international team, including climate researcher Professor Jed Kaplan of the University of Lausanne and archaeologist Professor Jan Kolen of Leiden University -- was published Nov. 30 in the journal PLOS ONE.

Deliberate or negligent

This research has generated new insights on the role of hunters in the formation of the landscape. It may be that during the coldest phase of the last Ice Age, some 20,000 years ago, hunter-gatherers deliberately lit forest fires in an attempt to create grasslands and park-like forests. They probably did this to attract wild animals and to make it easier to gather vegetable food and raw materials; it also facilitated movement. Another possibility is that the large-scale forests and steppe fires may have been the result of the hunters' negligent use of fire in these semi-open landscapes.

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The money quote:

Searching for evidence of this human impact explains why there are conflicting reconstructions for this period. Reconstructions of the vegetation based on pollen and plant remains from lakes and marshland suggest that Europe had an open steppe vegetation. But computer simulations based on eight possible climate scenarios show that under natural conditions the landscape in large areas of Europe would have been far more densely forested. The researchers conclude that humans must have been responsible for the difference. Further evidence has been found in the traces of the use of fire in hunting settlements from this period and in the layers of ash in the soil.

My interpretation: "when our model comes in conflict with facts, the facts have got to go."

I'm very pro science, as anyone reading my posts knows. This is manufactured "people are bad, very bad" rhetoric by AGW believers. Core samples are, properly, the source for past environments.

Normally models are constructed based on facts at hand to explain and project those facts. The model doesn't work? Revise the model to attempt and explain the facts. Unless, of course, you are in an authoritarian regime where the conclusions come first to support the party line.

My usual caveat, "The answer to bad science is more science"

1 posted on 12/06/2016 10:00:44 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

Those hunters will do almost anything to bag a deer or two.


2 posted on 12/06/2016 10:02:47 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JimSEA

Ah yes, the days before lightning.


3 posted on 12/06/2016 10:03:57 AM PST by fruser1
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To: JimSEA

Once again white people are to blame.


4 posted on 12/06/2016 10:04:17 AM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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To: JimSEA

So now we know what caused the glaciers to melt. Humans playing with matches.


5 posted on 12/06/2016 10:07:11 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: JimSEA

The densely forested hills of Germany, the only break in the plains of northern Europe between the Pyrenees mountains and the Volga basin, was probably the only thing preventing the Romans from further conquest.


6 posted on 12/06/2016 10:07:32 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: fruser1

lol

I know, they are so deep in their bubble they cant see the truth when it is staring at them.


7 posted on 12/06/2016 10:07:41 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, R)
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To: MeganC

It must be the negative influence of our Neanderthal ancestry.


8 posted on 12/06/2016 10:08:21 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: fruser1
Ah yes, the days before lightning.

Nice. Very nice.

9 posted on 12/06/2016 10:09:23 AM PST by canalabamian ("The same things win, that always won..." Coach Paul W. Bryant)
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To: JimSEA

Humans, what despicable bastards!


10 posted on 12/06/2016 10:09:30 AM PST by umgud (ban all infidelaphobics)
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To: JimSEA

I’ve read previously where there were massive, wide-spread extinctions of megafauna shortly after humans arrived anywhere, and that widespread forest fires were the simplest way to explain which species survived and didn’t. It was speculated that the fires were the result of humans.


11 posted on 12/06/2016 10:11:19 AM PST by dangus
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D@^^n that Prometheus!


12 posted on 12/06/2016 10:11:47 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: JimSEA

Believe Indians in both North and South America were pretty cavalier about setting forests on fire. Basic tool of both hunting and agriculture for primitive stone age people.

But I don’t want to interrupt the narrative of “white Europeans are bad”.


13 posted on 12/06/2016 10:12:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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Excerpts from the article: "...probably the reason..."; " The finding..."; "It may be..."; "They probably did this..."; "Another possibility is that the ... fires may have been...

So far, I haven't read anything that even remotely resembles 'science.'

14 posted on 12/06/2016 10:13:20 AM PST by Quality_Not_Quantity
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To: dangus

It’s possible.

You can do a lot when you’re at the top of the food chain.


15 posted on 12/06/2016 10:13:44 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: JimSEA

“Large-scale forest fires started by prehistoric hunter-gatherers are probably the reason why Europe is not more densely forested”

forests generally regrow after fires, in fact, most conifer seeds generally MUST undergo fire before they’ll germinate. Forests in temperate climates also easily regrow when clear cut. Just look at fields left fallow too long in such climates: they quickly revert back to forest.


16 posted on 12/06/2016 10:14:07 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

They’re using the “WAG” method.


17 posted on 12/06/2016 10:14:55 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: JimSEA

I’m sure the Neanderthal version of Smokey the Bear was found to be tasty! lol


18 posted on 12/06/2016 10:15:13 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: fruser1

And fire trucks Professor scratches a$$.


19 posted on 12/06/2016 10:15:48 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: JimSEA

So the claim is that thousands or ten of thousands of years ago, some trees burning made the composure of the modern forests and vegetation thickness? That sounds absurd. If it was True, south-east Tennessee should now be a great plains for the next 10,000 years.


20 posted on 12/06/2016 10:15:56 AM PST by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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