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Did Judas and Pontius Pilate End up in Hell?
Mind Of Corporate Stepsister | Corporate Stepsister

Posted on 11/05/2016 7:52:44 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister

I'm interested in debating if whether or not Judas and Pontius Pilate ended up in Hell. Despite being considered the most evil men in hisotry, since they were doing God's will in causing Christ to be crucified, surely they would in fact be looked on with favor by God and not condemned to Hell for eternity.


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To: CorporateStepsister

The traditional demise of Judas was either by hanging himself or more graphically, either falling in a field where “his guts burst out”, or becoming morbidly obese, and being run over by a chariot, so that “his guts burst out”.

Pilate’s end is even less clear. A functionary of Roman Emperor Tiberius, because of an incident, Pilate was recalled to Rome, shortly before Tiberius died. The Emperor Caligula took his place. Renowned as a dangerous tyrant, Caligula was also (wisely) quite paranoid, and was likely suspicious of the timing of his return. Caligula either ordered him to commit suicide or into exile, where he committed suicide on his own.


21 posted on 11/05/2016 8:11:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Friday, January 20, 2017. Reparations end.)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Judas? given the report of his death, i would be shocked.

scripture says (matt 18:7) “Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!”

but, my main disagreement, FRiend, is your statement that they were “doing God’s will.”

in my opinion, they weren’t doing God’s will, they were doing their own, which God allowed. God allows us our freewill even when contrary to His. Being God, He has the necessary power, presence and foreknowledge to turn all evil back to the good.


22 posted on 11/05/2016 8:14:06 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: CorporateStepsister

No. Judas did what Jesus told him to do. And Jesus left it up to Judas to tell the others that he was the one who would betray Jesus
Judas didn’t have to dip his bread in that bowl of water.


23 posted on 11/05/2016 8:14:57 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hitler?

I’ve pondered this myself. Real answer is “Above My Pay Grade”.

But I will spout off anyway - -

I believe God (Who IS Love) will give EVERY soul every chance they may need, to repent, even at the last moment. And He knows who will and will not repent, and when.

And I do not know these men’s last moments. Judas seems repentant. Pilate I don’t know. Hitler has the least chance of these three in my book.

There are some souls that I am more sure have ‘earned’ Hell.

San Bernardino shooters, for example. Those so demonically driven that their continued rejection of God’s grace puts them beyond their ability to accept repentance. Some ‘in your face’ abortionists may fit here.


24 posted on 11/05/2016 8:15:33 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( LOTS of /s)
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To: CorporateStepsister

On the cross Jesus intervened on behalf of those who crucified Him saying “Forgive them.” That included Pilot.


25 posted on 11/05/2016 8:17:28 PM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Inner circle, third firepit on the left


26 posted on 11/05/2016 8:18:53 PM PDT by bigbob (The Hillary indictment will have to come from us.)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Judas hanged himself. That is suicide. He is in Hell even not considering his actions in the Garden.. Pilate, well we do not know the state of his soul at the time of his death or whether he came to believe. We could say that he is probably in Hell but we cannot say that with certainty.


27 posted on 11/05/2016 8:19:23 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: CorporateStepsister

The one sin Jesus told us is unforgivable is denying the power and authority of God as Satan did. So we don’t know in either case.


28 posted on 11/05/2016 8:19:27 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hitler died by his own hand. That is suicide without repentance. He is surely in Hell.


29 posted on 11/05/2016 8:20:20 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: CorporateStepsister

So many confuse HELL with the Lake of Fire (Gehenna)

Hell is just an english rendering of Hades or Sheol, nothing more than a hole in the ground (grave or tomb)

The Lake of Fire is Spiritual and Paul has written much on it, as did Jesus.

If a man’s works is burned up; he will lose everything, yet he himself shall be saved as if by fire.

Also, ‘Fire and Brimstone’ sounds horrific but in ancient times both were used to cleanse precious metals such as gold and silver.

I guess all that I have stated above will cause some question; however, question this.

If one believes in a God who willingly and willfully torture billions upon billions with fire with NO HOPE of redemption, I ask you to name a single instance of Satan HIMSELF performing an act as horrific (even close)

Seem to me that GOD is LOVE and Satan is NOT, then who or what are you believing in if YOUR God could even imagine such an act of burning men, women and children alive for ever. Just consider the stench, the screams, the pleading for it to just end.

Do you love a God that would do such a thing, or does one feel vindicated because HE will but not to them?

As stated from the start; this whole notion is beyond biblical belief; because IF THIS TRUTH, then how could anyone be judged before the resurrection, for surely it was after the resurrection that the deeds of each of us a read and the rewards or condemnation given. The common belief of the resurrection prohibits HELL FIRE prior to the event.

If however the common PHYSICAL belief of the resurrection is false and the resurrection is spiritual, then this fits with what both Jesus and Paul taught.


30 posted on 11/05/2016 8:20:38 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget Love)
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To: budj

For suicide, even with remorse, he is probably doomed. For all of them we can only say “probably” because all things are possible for God, no?


31 posted on 11/05/2016 8:22:30 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: buwaya

Orthodox believe that he became a Christian and even a bishop. There is some tradition of that going back to the early centuries.


32 posted on 11/05/2016 8:23:50 PM PDT by arthurus (Hillary's campaign is getting shaky)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Which ‘hell’? The only named entity that has been judged to ‘death’ is the devil. There is a number of fallen angels that too have been judged. The rest of the souls/spirit intellect are yet to be judged. There is something about that warning about judge not lest we be judged. It is Written twice that God hated Esau, but no where is it Written that Esau was judged to death.


33 posted on 11/05/2016 8:24:07 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: JudyinCanada

lol. Not mine. The years on earth together were enough!


34 posted on 11/05/2016 8:24:43 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On the righteousness scale from 1 to 100 with God being 100 and Hilary Clinton being 0.

God: 100

Billy Graham: .000000086

Hitler: .00000008599999


35 posted on 11/05/2016 8:25:19 PM PDT by Go No
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To: CorporateStepsister

God alone knows. Both committed suicide, both may have been offered a chance, in some way that it is impossible for us to understand, to accept Jesus, even at the very moment of death. Maybe not. It is absolutely not our place to speculate.


36 posted on 11/05/2016 8:26:02 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: rfp1234

If Pilate went to purgatory that means that he went to heaven


37 posted on 11/05/2016 8:26:34 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Lol


38 posted on 11/05/2016 8:27:28 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: CorporateStepsister
This doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but ...

A couple of years ago I passed a Honda Pilot on I-81 in Pennsylvania. The vehicle had a vanity license plate: PONTIUS.

LMAO.

39 posted on 11/05/2016 8:28:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: CorporateStepsister

Read the Book of Job, post haste.


40 posted on 11/05/2016 8:29:26 PM PDT by aspasia
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